Discussion So you've done your research and chosen a method, now listen to find out if your heading for a happy (Peaceful) or horrible hypoxia

[Jumper Geo]

Courtesy of Dr Philip Nitschke & Fiona Stewart from the PPeH, Doxit Podcast No 15 - Physiology of a Good Death - why it works & how!

"https://anchor.fm/doxit/embed/episo...od-Death---why-it-works--how-em6ku2/a-a3pju0h"

How important is propranolol to achieve a peaceful exit hope the picture below helps.



Cheers

Geo

 

[Meditation guide]

"Increase breathing rate and CONSTRICT VESSLES IN THE LUNG" yikes

They still do not spell it out why propranolol is important. Apparently if the heart rate is blocked from speeding up you pass out faster? I'm sure 800 mg of propranolol would knock me out.

 

[Jumper Geo]

"Increase breathing rate and CONSTRICT VESSLES IN THE LUNG" yikes

Click on the link and listen to the podcast it gives you details about the methods to CTB in the PPeH, if it's peaceful or horrible. I even learned something heart attacks is not a peaceful death, lol don't know what I was thinking,

Cheers

Geo

 

[HelloHell]

Thank you for sharing this!

 

[Kat!]

I heard that companies are cutting helium canisters with oxygen, so really watch out for that, if anyone chooses to do so.
You might end up vegetabling.

 

[Cakes]

I heard that companies are cutting helium canisters with oxygen, so really watch out for that, if anyone chooses to do so.
You might end up vegetabling.

Aaahh crap, I was going to start looking into this method!

 

[Jumper Geo]

If anyone wants to know more about propranolol I have done quite a bit of research on it and you can see the different doses I considered and changed my mind after people used it so I think I finally come up with my happy medium and my final regime.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/propranolol-dosage-for-sn.42878/

Cheers

Geo

 

[Nimbus]

They still do not spell it out why propranolol is important. Apparently if the heart rate is blocked from speeding up you pass out faster?

As I understand it, the SN results in less oxygenated blood and when the brain registers that, it tries to tell the heart to speed up so as to take in more oxygen. The propranolol interferes by blocking the messaging from the brain so that the heart doesn't beat faster (and also reduces air hunger). Hence, you pass out faster than with just SN alone.

 

[LittleBabyNothing]

i don't intend on using propranolol, i have asthma so won't be able to get it prescribed. Reading this thread makes me worry, i really want as peaceful a death as i can. i hope that by knowing what to expect i will be able to metalise through it and not let is fuel any SI.

 

[mini_weeny]

If anyone wants to know more about propranolol I have done quite a bit of research on it and you can see the different doses I considered and changed my mind after people used it so I think I finally come up with my happy medium and my final regime.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/propranolol-dosage-for-sn.42878/

Cheers

Geo

It's in the old server :( can you repost in this one?
From reading good bye threads and some reports on SN seems like most ppl die of asphyxiation, seems to me it must be horrific for at least a few minutes that will probably feel like an eternity. Must be like puting a fish out of the water that oxygen hunger feeling. Don't think it's peaceful at all and should not be advertised as peaceful, N is the only fairy tale peaceful method I would say .

 

[Jumper Geo]

It's in the old server :( can you repost in this one?
From reading good bye threads and some reports on SN seems like most ppl die of asphyxiation, seems to me it must be horrific for at least a few minutes that will probably feel like an eternity. Must be like puting a fish out of the water that oxygen hunger feeling. Don't think it's peaceful at all and should not be advertised as peaceful, N is the only fairy tale peaceful method I would say .

No problem.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/propranolol-dosage-for-sn.42878/

Cheers

Geo

 

[wordsonscreen]

This thread is worrying me. I do have tachycardia on a day to day basis- its awful but I've learned to deal with it. I only have SN and benzos. No AE or propranolol. Ideas? Thoughts? Will it really be that bad?

 

[DetachedDreamer97]

Click on the link and listen to the podcast it gives you details about the methods to CTB in the PPeH, if it's peaceful or horrible. I even learned something heart attacks is not a peaceful death, lol don't know what I was thinking,

Cheers

Geo

Indeed, though cardiac arrest is rather peaceful.

 

[LittleBabyNothing]

This thread is worrying me. I do have tachycardia on a day to day basis- its awful but I've learned to deal with it. I only have SN and benzos. No AE or propranolol. Ideas? Thoughts? Will it really be that bad?

i plan to use benzos and weed, hoping with mentalisation as well i will be ok. i think the more anxious we are on that specfic effect before hand the more we'll feel and react to it on the day. Does that make sense? Knowing i can't get pro i'm just accepting and preparing mentally to go through it. Still my most peaceful option and end result worth it

 

[wordsonscreen]

i plan to use benzos and weed, hoping with mentalisation as well i will be ok. i think the more anxious we are on that specfic effect before hand the more we'll feel and react to it on the day. Does that make sense? Knowing i can't get pro i'm just accepting and preparing mentally to go through it. Still my most peaceful option and end result worth it

I agree with you. I think the mental prep will help. Sucks that we have to play mind games with ourselves to have an ounce of peace :/ but it is what it is. At least we have SN. Many dont even have access to that..
Trying to count my blessings.

 

[DetachedDreamer97]

I think it's time I reevaluate my research on the nyan cocktail to make sure I got everything right, or wait until my yew seeds are delivered so I can finally have a go at making my perfected tincture. This is the only method I can consider since money is tight and I want to go out by nature.

This thread is worrying me. I do have tachycardia on a day to day basis- its awful but I've learned to deal with it. I only have SN and benzos. No AE or propranolol. Ideas? Thoughts? Will it really be that bad?

I'll say if you can't have access to meto, domperidone, or ondansetron, antimuscarinic scopolamine would suffice as it for one, acts as a competitive antagonist to 5ht3 receptors. Two being that it acts directly on the vomiting center, which is the final pathway that ultimately decides whether you'll vomit or not, which the neurotransmitters in them are either serotonin, acetylcholine, and histamine. I might say it should work with dopamine receptors, since acetylcholine and dopamine seem to go hand in hand as dopaminergic excess causes the release of acetylcholine which thus brings nausea and vomiting.

For propranolol substitution, I'd recommend taking akuamma, and low doses of scopolamine would work (scopolamine paradoxically induces bradycardia), though perhaps not enough. Don't quote me on this. This is me attempting to improvise.

 

[Defenestration]

I cant listen and i dont understand english that is not written....
Say le what he say

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

in all the threads that I've read about the exit bag, it was generally accepted that the human body is not conscious about low level of oxygen. So I suppose that there is no feeling of suffocation, as long as there is no CO2.
What is described in the picture above probably refers to an unconscious reaction of the body: increase of the heart rate and breath. Am I right?
If the deprivation from oxygen is quick enough in making someone unconscious, he will not feel that the heart is beating faster as it will happen after he has gone unconscious, correct?
For example, as the podcast says and as it is widely known, methods like CO are peaceful and they do not necessarily give a feeling of suffocation; if it wasn't, people would notice that they are breathing CO from a portable generator and incidents would not be so common.

 

[loopylou]

I suspect the low pressure high altitude would probably feel like vertigo.

 

[Aloken]

I think it's time I reevaluate my research on the nyan cocktail to make sure I got everything right, or wait until my yew seeds are delivered so I can finally have a go at making my perfected tincture. This is the only method I can consider since money is tight and I want to go out by nature.

Hello! If you're considering yew seeds why aren't you considering rosary peas (abrin poisoning)? I'm considering them myself since sn is very available right now in Europe.. Abrin poisoning doesn't seem peaceful, at all..you may die after 3 days.. But of course I don't know if this changes if you ingest a lot of rosary peas. Do yew seeds do the job faster?

 

[DetachedDreamer97]

Hello! If you're considering yew seeds why aren't you considering rosary peas (abrin poisoning)? I'm considering them myself since sn is very available right now in Europe.. Abrin poisoning doesn't seem peaceful, at all..you may die after 3 days.. But of course I don't know if this changes if you ingest a lot of rosary peas. Do yew seeds do the job faster?

Simple. Because doesn't seem like a pleasant way to go as you've said. Yew on the other hand is relatively painless and the unpleasant symptoms can be mitigated and avoided if you remove the impeding compounds such as the oils and ephedrine. Ephendrine counteracts the taxine hence delays death, and the oils in the leaves and likely the seeds are what is responsible for the gastrointestinal disturbances. Done properly, you'll die quickly within 1-3 hours before symptoms occur.

 

[Aloken]

Simple. Because doesn't seem like a pleasant way to go as you've said. Yew on the other hand is relatively painless and the unpleasant symptoms can be mitigated and avoided if you remove the impeding compounds such as the oils and ephedrine. Ephendrine counteracts the taxine hence delays death, and the oils in the leaves and likely the seeds are what is responsible for the gastrointestinal disturbances. Done properly, you'll die quickly within 1-3 hours before symptoms occur.

I just wanted to know if you knew about abrin poisoning already before choosing yew, because that would mean yew is better. You're selling it pretty well. Is the preparation too much? I don't live alone and I can't start hocus-pocusing under these circumstances.. Also, is it widely available and how safe of a method is it? With abrin, you're definitely going to die if you endure the pain long enough (not realistic)

 

[DetachedDreamer97]

I'll say I sorta did. Granted, I skimmed and quickly abandoned considering the thought of trying that. And take what I say with a grain of salt, yeah, I think it's the most preferable out of all botanical methods. What had me dead set on it was reading about an experience with it from a long-deceased usenet girl who went by the name "Daniela". I'll say the preparation difficulty depends on whichever one you'll choose to follow. Her way seems easiest, the way I intend to do it will be much more complicated. And by that, I mean I've yet to succeed in perfecting my version yet. And if you don't live alone, you're gonna have to use the seeds rather than the leaves as drying the leaves in the oven is going to stink up the house, or improvise way to dry them without heat.
It's available in graveyards, gardens, parks, or even in the wild. Seeds can be bought online though buying a sufficient amount is going to be rather pricey.
Yew is pretty safe as if you survive, you'll likely make full recovery after about a week or so.

 

[Greenberg]

Courtesy of Dr Philip Nitschke & Fiona Stewart from the PPeH, Doxit Podcast No 15 - Physiology of a Good Death - why it works & how!

"https://anchor.fm/doxit/embed/episo...od-Death---why-it-works--how-em6ku2/a-a3pju0h"

How important is propranolol to achieve a peaceful exit hope the picture below helps.

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Cheers

Geo

Maybe there is something wrong with my headphone. The volume can be higher.

 

[Aloken]

I'll say I sorta did. Granted, I skimmed and quickly abandoned considering the thought of trying that. And take what I say with a grain of salt, yeah, I think it's the most preferable out of all botanical methods. What had me dead set on it was reading about an experience with it from a long-deceased usenet girl who went by the name "Daniela". I'll say the preparation difficulty depends on whichever one you'll choose to follow. Her way seems easiest, the way I intend to do it will be much more complicated. And by that, I mean I've yet to succeed in perfecting my version yet. And if you don't live alone, you're gonna have to use the seeds rather than the leaves as drying the leaves in the oven is going to stink up the house, or improvise way to dry them without heat.
It's available in graveyards, gardens, parks, or even in the wild. Seeds can be bought online though buying a sufficient amount is going to be rather pricey.
Yew is pretty safe as if you survive, you'll likely make full recovery after about a week or so.

Thanks for the info! I'll dig up more myself!! Cheers