SN with Benzodiazepines

[DyingMiND]

Is bromazolam available in the US at all?

Not to my knowledge.

 

[Euthanza]

UPDATE

The PPH is still not very clear about this method.

The only preview they give is:

The BPN Mix
Researching a peaceful sn drink

30mg metoclopramide

Followed by a drink consisting of 25 grams sn, 400 mg Propranolol and 500 mg Bromazolam in a 100 ml water-based drink.

This is the BPN-Mix

It is a suggested protocol to try to match the results with N.

They say they will come up with more information about this method later.

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They don't give any information on how to take the benzodiazepines
oxazepam (20x30mg), or diazepam (50x10mg).
I have no idea if you can mix these benzodiazepines with water.

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Personally, I don't know if mixing SN with a high dose of benzodiazepines is a good idea? Because some people who drink sn throw up a little and therefore have to drink a second glass.

Taking SN + Propanolol at the same time will have opportunity to puke it all, so I'm considering to take propanolol 1-2 hour before final mix.

 

[Hope:-)]

What about lorazepam?

 

[Lastsauce]

Taking SN + Propanolol at the same time will have opportunity to puke it all, so I'm considering to take propanolol 1-2 hour before final mix.

I don't understand why they instruct to mix the beta blocker with sn in the PPeH. Propranolol takes up to an hour to take effect properly. Nitschke was a physician so he should know better.

 

[CemetryGates]

50 diazepam is alot no? That's so many pills to swallow

 

[Euthanza]

50 diazepam is alot no? That's so many pills to swallow

40mg Diazepam 2 hours before Sodium Azide is recommended by Last Will Cooperative (Netherland clinic) in comparison with Nembutal.

 

[help56]

Please it's soo difficult to follow for some of us with tech and slow mind challenges. Can Someone please post the new and old protocol for sn
I'm silple terms withhold timing thank you

 

[help56]

anyone with uk sodium nitrite links. The ones I sm finding us

 

[PArazi]

Benzo could be indicated, but in low doses, and only to reduce physical and psychological anxiety. I indicate the maximum recommended dosage. Bromazepam 12mg or oxazepam 50mg. Above that?

"My own concern about Benzos with SN is the possibility of vomiting after falling asleep from the benzos and therefore not being able to consume the second glass if needed"

But if you want gonna sleep, choose ones with a high hypnotic effect, or one benzo + one hypnotic. But I don't think that can happen during the rapid physiological stress of SN.

 

[LONE WOLF.]

I have to ask, that seems like a crazy amount of diazepam. 4mg is the dose I've taken and it's considered a little bit high because I'm a pretty small person and not habituated to it. That dose already makes me very drowsy and relaxed. I have about ten doses and while I know it's nowhere near fatal I am sure it would have a large effect on me, and probably knock me out.

4mg makes you drowsy 'Wow' you lucky bugger, l get 80 a week and l have to take at least 25 just to get 3 hour's sleep!

 

[nohopeleft77]

They have more and more data from people who take SN.
They have an email address where people can send their experiences and videos.

Benzos are not necessary.
It is a suggested protocol to try to match the results with N.

Yes and make it much less painful. I wish it wasn't so damn hard to get benzos in US. It would make it so much more peaceful

 

[MelodyCymbal]

Not to my knowledge.

Check Reddit for legit vendors

 

[Thisisme373]

I find it interesting how such a large amount of diazepam is recommended, 50 pills is a lot to swallow and I'm concerned I could pass out before drinking SN or pass out after drinking 1st glass, throwing up while passed out and not being able to drink 2nd glass as I'm unconscious.
I would have thought 200mg would be enough, 500 is massive amount.
Is there a reason they recommend this amount?
I'm guessing to lessen the symptoms and panic. My worry is falling asleep soon as they kick in as it's such a big amount.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

I find it interesting how such a large amount of diazepam is recommended, 50 pills is a lot to swallow and I'm concerned I could pass out before drinking SN or pass out after drinking 1st glass, throwing up while passed out and not being able to drink 2nd glass as I'm unconscious.
I would have thought 200mg would be enough, 500 is massive amount.
Is there a reason they recommend this amount?
I'm guessing to lessen the symptoms and panic. My worry is falling asleep soon as they kick in as it's such a big amount.

It's not entirely necessary to take that amount seeing as quite a few people took within normal doses of Alprazolam, Lorazepam, Clonazepam etc...

Such a high dose make also take tolerance into account but I doubt anyone's abuses benzos that much to require this much to use to ctb with sn. It is a lot to swallow 50 pills considering the minimal amount of water you need to consume for everything else. This is why it's a good idea to test a normal dose of benzos to gauge your tolerance and response in order to time its effect on you so that you don't fall asleep before taking the drink, just enough to relax you but not too much to sedate you since if you have low tolerance, the window is short in terms of feeling effects and going unconscious. So in the end, you don't have to worry about falling asleep if you keep your dose optimal enough for ctb, your own ctb regimen.

 

[Thisisme373]

It's not entirely necessary to take that amount seeing as quite a few people took within normal doses of Alprazolam, Lorazepam, Clonazepam etc...

Such a high dose make also take tolerance into account but I doubt anyone's abuses benzos that much to require this much to use to ctb with sn. It is a lot to swallow 50 pills considering the minimal amount of water you need to consume for everything else. This is why it's a good idea to test a normal dose of benzos to gauge your tolerance and response in order to time its effect on you so that you don't fall asleep before taking the drink, just enough to relax you but not too much to sedate you since if you have low tolerance, the window is short in terms of feeling effects and going unconscious. So in the end, you don't have to worry about falling asleep if you keep your dose optimal enough for ctb, your own ctb regimen.

Yeah I also thought about having to consume more water to swallow 50 pills. It's not ideal. For me I've had 10mg dosage of diazepam, it makes me feel more relaxed n nice, like a kinda floaty feeling. I might go 200, that should be enough to ease panic and unpleasant symptoms, I'd imagine 200 would make me very relaxed n groggy. 500 feels a bit OTT.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Yeah I also thought about having to consume more water to swallow 50 pills. It's not ideal. For me I've had 10mg dosage of diazepam, it makes me feel more relaxed n nice, like a kinda floaty feeling. I might go 200, that should be enough to ease panic and unpleasant symptoms, I'd imagine 200 would make me very relaxed n groggy. 500 feels a bit OTT.

See, that 10mg is just fine if it makes you feel good enough to ease anxiety but not too high of a dose that puts you at risk of passing out before you know it. 200 would probably put you out if 10mg already makes you feel the way you described.

I tested 1mg Alprazolam earlier last week and it set in pretty nicely and like you, I became groggy but then i actually fell asleep on the couch that my brother had to wake me up but before I knew it, it was morning already so it knocked me it out for a while so 3.5mg should be just enough.

 

[february in alaska]

If we're using domperidone instead of meto, does that change the amount needed/time to take it?

 

[Thisisme373]

See, that 10mg is just fine if it makes you feel good enough to ease anxiety but not too high of a dose that puts you at risk of passing out before you know it. 200 would probably put you out if 10mg already makes you feel the way you described.

I tested 1mg Alprazolam earlier last week and it set in pretty nicely and like you, I became groggy but then i actually fell asleep on the couch that my brother had to wake me up but before I knew it, it was morning already so it knocked me it out for a while so 3.5mg should be just enough.

I think due to how nervous ill be and SI kicking in etc 10 wouldn't be enough to calm me in that situation but I am thinking 200 might be a bit too sedating, am thinking 100mg might be a good amount. That or 120, I know I'm gonna be scared and SI will be strong. I wish I had a gun, much faster.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

I think due to how nervous ill be and SI kicking in etc 10 wouldn't be enough to calm me in that situation but I am thinking 200 might be a bit too sedating, am thinking 100mg might be a good amount. That or 120, I know I'm gonna be scared and SI will be strong. I wish I had a gun, much faster.

Unfortunately, we all wish we could have the things that would make this even faster but there's no use anymore for me to talk about it. It'd be great if we lived in a world that wasn't hellbent on being so restrictive towards better methods out there but people have jumped off balconies, off a bridge so they've just made use of what they had even if it didn't make things any easier when dealing with SI. I just try not to put any emotional emphasis on it plus I've listed out my reasons for ctb and read them everyday. With that being said, I know it won't be easy.

 

[Thisisme373]

Unfortunately, we all wish we could have the things that would make this even faster but there's no use anymore for me to talk about it. It'd be great if we lived in a world that wasn't hellbent on being so restrictive towards better methods out there but people have jumped off balconies, off a bridge so they've just made use of what they had even if it didn't make things any easier when dealing with SI. I just try not to put any emotional emphasis on it plus I've listed out my reasons for ctb and read them everyday. With that being said, I know it won't be easy.

I strongly believe assisted suicide should be legal and available, I find it really fucked up how people are forced to live when they are suffering so terribly. I have very strong reasons to ctb but I won't lie I'm scared to do it but I know it needs to be done. My existence is pure misery. I'm worried about surviving for lots of reasons. If I had a gun I would have been dead many years ago.
Things have gotten worse over the last year, much worse.
I might take 1 benzo same time as meto, to calm me little before taking the rest of benzos, I know I'm gonna be shitting it.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

I have very strong reasons to ctb but I won't lie I'm scared to do it but I know it needs to be done. My existence is pure misery. I'm worried about surviving for lots of reasons. If I had a gun I would have been dead many years ago.

As it is normal to be scared due to si, which is why many don't ctb at all because it takes a lot of overriding your own survival

I might take 1 benzo same time as meto, to calm me little before taking the rest of benzos, I know I'm gonna be shitting it.

I'm not sure about the interactions between those two meds though, it's something you'll have to check out.

 

[Argo]

I find it interesting how such a large amount of diazepam is recommended, 50 pills is a lot to swallow and I'm concerned I could pass out before drinking SN or pass out after drinking 1st glass, throwing up while passed out and not being able to drink 2nd glass as I'm unconscious.
I would have thought 200mg would be enough, 500 is massive amount.
Is there a reason they recommend this amount?
I'm guessing to lessen the symptoms and panic. My worry is falling asleep soon as they kick in as it's such a big amount.

The bromazolam dose is also incredibly high. It would be a high dose for a recreational benzo abuser. 2 mg of Bromazolam will likely put a benzo naive person to sleep once it kicks in fully(it does for me) Anything over 4mg seems like overkill for anyone who doesn't take benzos, since the SN already quickly causes loss of consciousness. In my eyes, the entire purpose of the benzos is a smooth journey to the point where the SN causes loss of consciousness-- this is because you ideally want to be conscious as long as possible in the event of a second glass. It's probably unwise to combine caffeine and benzos which I sometimes see people do recreationally with bromazolam due to how strongly sedating it is, due to SN's effects on the heart. It would suck to get a heart attack before losing consciousness. But something to prevent the large benzo dose of knocking you out and just providing strong anxiolytic effects would be ideal. Is there a reason the PPH doesn't list opiates as a supplementary drug for SN?

 

[suicidesheep31.1]

Do they indicate a timing for the benzo in the pph?
Like 1 hour before or 30 minutes before?

 

[LaVieEnRose]

Is there a reason the PPH doesn't list opiates as a supplementary drug for SN?

Isn't nausea common with opiate usage? Obviously not what you want. Also as reluctant as doctors are to cough up either of them, benzodiazepines have common psychiatric uses unlike opiates which are more for pain so they are probably easier to procure (legally at least).

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Anything over 4mg seems like overkill for anyone who doesn't take benzos, since the SN already quickly causes loss of consciousness. In my eyes, the entire purpose of the benzos is a smooth journey to the point where the SN causes loss of consciousness-- this is because you ideally want to be conscious as long as possible in the event of a second glass.

I agree which is why people have opted for less of an amount to take with regards to tolerance but yes, benzos are to facilitate a faster loss of consciousness and to ease si significantly.

 

[Argo]

I agree which is why people have opted for less of an amount to take with regards to tolerance but yes, benzos are to facilitate a faster loss of consciousness and to ease si significantly.

Easing SI makes sense but a faster loss of consciousness is a problem with the whole 2nd glass in case of vomiting thing. It seems to me like if one doesn't vomit before SN causes a loss of consciousness, one is good to go, but maybe I'm wrong. I would love to know where roughly in terms of SN absorption in the stomach there's a "point of no return" where loss of consciousness and death are guaranteed. Like can you lose consciousness from SN alone, vomit a half an hour in, and then survive? I think I've heard stories like that but who knows how good the SN protocol was in those cases.

Isn't nausea common with opiate usage? Obviously not what you want. Also as reluctant as doctors are to cough up either of them, benzodiazepines have common psychiatric uses unlike opiates which are more for pain so they are probably easier to procure (legally at least).

I've not experienced nausea with my limited experience, but this makes sense. I suspect a small dose of codeine or something wouldn't hurt, but SN is still a method that's clearly in its infancy, I think if the substance is still around as a method for the next few decades, we can expect the "SN protocol" of 2050 to be very different from what it is today.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Easing SI makes sense but a faster loss of consciousness is a problem with the whole 2nd glass in case of vomiting thing. It seems to me like if one doesn't vomit before SN causes a loss of consciousness, one is good to go, but maybe I'm wrong. I would love to know where roughly in terms of SN absorption in the stomach there's a "point of no return" where loss of consciousness and death are guaranteed. Like can you lose consciousness from SN alone, vomit a half an hour in, and then survive? I think I've heard stories like that but who knows how good the SN protocol was in those cases.

Well here's the thing, with how fast sn begins to work by entering the bloodstream and therefore the early symptoms of methemoglobin begin to show, the point of no return could be past the 50% mark of MetHb levels with oxygen readings below 70% and still dropping, guaranteed is something I'm hesitant to use because levels of Methb above 70% are considered lethal but readings drop after death and some cases have detected levels beyond 40% which is the upper limit of what some medical facilities can even register. For death to be guaranteed with sn, levels above 60-70% Methb are generally where I'd expect severe symptoms like cardiac dysrhythmia and seizures which is where Methemoglobin-induced cardiac arrest may occur which results in death due to the complicated nature of how difficult it is to treat, the time it takes to get to this could be varied but again, SN works really fast which is why people, most people get saved by the earliest possible intervention, even then some people still don't make it and die in ED but that could be due to the fact that rapid deterioration of the individual occurred out of the control of EMS, kinda why oxygen becomes practically useless, see below from a Reddit post I found about SN from 2 years back:

"I think knowledge is spreading, it's easily obtainable, cheap, and extremely effective. The problem with these patients is that no matter how much oxygen you give them, pts have such a high level of methemoglobin that the O2 just can't attach, it becomes useless. Yes, you can place and maintain an airway but it doesn't matter if the pt can't use the oxygen being supplied."

The examples in which someone may lose consiousness, vomit half an hour in and then survive have happened before and the more common reasons tend to be questionable purity or that it wasn't SN to begin with and so far, I haven't seen anything else to indicate otherwise but then there's something new to learn with this.

Also, to your assumption that if one doesn't vomit before sn causes loss of consiousness then one is good to go is generally right hence why, I personally wouldn't take SN without AEs, things like that could make the difference and also to minimize failure by having all the necessary components to ctb.

That point of contention of falling unconscious from benzos before being able to take a 2nd glass is something I've seen a fair few people worry about but if you do get benzos, it's best to just test them out and figure out what works for you. I mean, Lindsey pearlman used within a normal dose of Lorazepam to ctb with SN so a high dose isn't absolutely conducive for success.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

Easing SI makes sense but a faster loss of consciousness is a problem with the whole 2nd glass in case of vomiting thing. It seems to me like if one doesn't vomit before SN causes a loss of consciousness, one is good to go, but maybe I'm wrong. I would love to know where roughly in terms of SN absorption in the stomach there's a "point of no return" where loss of consciousness and death are guaranteed. Like can you lose consciousness from SN alone, vomit a half an hour in, and then survive? I think I've heard stories like that but who knows how good the SN protocol was in those cases.


I've not experienced nausea with my limited experience, but this makes sense. I suspect a small dose of codeine or something wouldn't hurt, but SN is still a method that's clearly in its infancy, I think if the substance is still around as a method for the next few decades, we can expect the "SN protocol" of 2050 to be very different from what it is today.

I hope aboveboard euthanasia will have taken off by that point.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

I think if the substance is still around as a method for the next few decades, we can expect the "SN protocol" of 2050 to be very different from what it is today.

With the way bans/restrictions have been pushed to prohibit SN at a high concentration for sale to anyone without any business association or license, 2050 is such a stretch that it might as well be seen as one of the most niche and particular methods of the 2010s-20s if one looks back by then. I don't think this method will be as popular/relevant in 3-5 years time since every damn medical literature I've read makes it a point to alarm policymakers should do something about its accessibility.

 

[Argo]

Also, to your assumption that if one doesn't vomit before sn causes loss of consiousness then one is good to go is generally right hence why, I personally wouldn't take SN without AEs, things like that could make the difference and also to minimize failure by having all the necessary components to ctb.

That point of contention of falling unconscious from benzos before being able to take a 2nd glass is something I've seen a fair few people worry about but if you do get benzos, it's best to just test them out and figure out what works for you. I mean, Lindsey pearlman used within a normal dose of Lorazepam to ctb with SN so a high dose isn't absolutely conducive for success.

I share your intuition about benzos, wish I could ask the PPH author(s) what their thoughts were as to those large benzo doses, maybe there's something we're missing. What are your thoughts on propranolol and cimetidine? What if someone with gastric issues like acid reflux/GERD were to consider SN, would cimetidine then seem important?

With the way bans/restrictions have been pushed to prohibit SN at a high concentration for sale to anyone, 2050 is such a stretch that it might as well be seen as one of the most niche methods of the 2010s-20s if one looks back.

Yep, it's an "if". It's always possible that a suicide black market emerges if LaVieEnRose's latest post in this thread doesn't come true, and it seems easier to mass produce SN illegally than something like Nembutal, as far as I know.