Resource SN megathread

[your pathologist]

99.6% is pure enough to work?

 

[Duqu]

99.6% is pure enough to work?

Yes

 

[Paloma]

I get the feeling that SN is brutal ...

yeah... but if it can kill me I'm going for it. I want out already. Some minutes of pain don't compare to years of more suffering tbh

 

[Paloma]

Anyone knows where i can order a SN that arrives in a plain box or something? I've noticed the packages of most SN's I've found online come in packages that have info about SN and anyone can know there's SN inside. I want to be discreet about this (like everyone) and don't want my family to find out I ordered this; so i need a SN that arrives in a plain box without any info or anything.

 

[invisiblycrippled]

I want to take something that makes me sleepy too. What should I take? Some Benzos like Dia? How much? I want something that knockes me out very fast and eventually another one what has a long term effect. I'm afraid that SN would be painfull ...

You could take a massive dose (400mg for example) of Diazepam, it's both fast- and long-acting (though most likely you'll die so quickly that it's doesn't matter).

 

[Deutschv2]

Still look like 15g is a good dose. The person that had seizure said they took more than 15.

 

[Deutschv2]

Anyone knows where i can order a SN that arrives in a plain box or something? I've noticed the packages of most SN's I've found online come in packages that have info about SN and anyone can know there's SN inside. I want to be discreet about this (like everyone) and don't want my family to find out I ordered this; so i need a SN that arrives in a plain box without any info or anything.

Try getting a PO box there is little paperwork involved like 5 minutes if you have the person to help you and it's pretty cheap

 

[Retched]

There is always the inert gas method. It's quick, reliable, painless. To me personally, it's the king of methods.

I have no way of hiding a set up. :( I've looked into it though.

 

[Paloma]

Try getting a PO box there is little paperwork involved like 5 minutes if you have the person to help you and it's pretty cheap

Thanks; i was told to do that as well
But if i can get a plain box with the SN sent to my home then that'd be great. If no one knows where i can get one then I'll get a PO box

 

[TheLastTrip]

I want to be discreet about this (like everyone) and don't want my family to find out I ordered this; so i need a SN that arrives in a plain box without any info or anything.

I think you're going to struggle to get a box without at least hazardous material warnings on, I suspect they are a legal requirement when sending something like SN through the postal system.

 

[Paloma]

So i found this SN from walmart page https://www.walmart.com/ip/2-lb-Sod...owing-Food-Processing-Manufacturing/136756263 does that mean i can get SN from my local walmart? Mind my ignorance

 

[Paloma]

I think you're going to struggle to get a box without at least hazardous material warnings on, I suspect they are a legal requirement when sending something like SN through the postal system.

Yeah you're right. I'll get a PO box then. Thanks.

 

[Deutschv2]

Hey guys. In case you want some more info this one person made a massive post on 8ch.net detailing basically every aspect of SN. A true hero.
https://8ch.net/suicide/res/36478.html#45350 (there are multiple post he makes)
Some of it is arguments as to why SN is a good method. Critical info they says in the posts:


"MetHb [methemoglobinemia] >80% is lethal"

General outline on what drugs to take and whatnot:

"SN density is 2.168 g/cm3. One standard teaspoon contains 5*2.168=10.84g SN. So you need 1½ standard teaspoon SN.
0- Fast for 4–8 hours
1- Take 30–40 mg (max 60 mg) metoclopramide + 800 mg cimetidine
2- wait a few minutes, then take a low dose of clonazepam
3- Solve 2 teaspoonful SN (err on the side of caution) in a ½ cup of water and drink it before falling asleep
The most important part is that it takes 45–60 minutes for metoclopramide to reach its peak; adjust everything based on it. Also, drinking alcohol provoke hypotension, so it's a good idea to drink a little alcohol beforehand."

"I couldn't find a single case report of brain damage as a result of SN ingestion.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3826356/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4987464/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3444913/"

this is for those who say SN is intended for elderly audience, i presume:
"PPeH recommended five times the lethal dose of toxic substance, barring medical treatment or vomiting. Given that the dose is decided (~15 g), there're 2 remaining main parameters affecting SN method: (1) blood pressure and (2) G6PD enzyme.
(1) Individuals with hypertension feel the drop in blood pressure more than others.
(2) Individuals with G6PD deficiency are poorly responsive to medical treatment."

Response to someone saying tagamet + meto reduces effectiveness:
"The metabolism of metoclopramide decreases thus therapeutic effect increases. This is also true about benzodiazepines (e.g. diazepam) or TCAs."

"Anything [referring to sodium nitrite] with at least 98% purity is fine. If you're taking SN with 90% purity, add more SN for adulterator.
p = purity (90 %), D = desired amount (15 g), A = adulterated SN
A = D/(2 - 1/p) = 15/(2 - 10/9) = 16.875 g"

In response to someone arguing there is little cases:
"There are so many methemoglobinemia case reports. The symptoms vary based on MetHb percentage. For you it's a 15-minute trip from <2% to 90%<. You won't have time to feel all the symptoms."

In response that someone says the test subject in PPeH was 46kg (very small weight) and thus unreliable:
"SN is about blood not weight. SN primary targets hemoglobin. I'd be more concerned about taking an extremely high dose or a tiny dose while having cardiovascular diseases. In that case, you collapse and have cardiac arrest in a matter of minutes or hours respectively. Different doses lead to different causes of death (dose-response). For 1g SN cause of death was respiratory arrest (tachypnoea): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1371420/
I think this is how death occurs for ~15g SN: hypertension → tachycardia → headache → hypotension → dizziness → syncope → coma
Mixed it with benzos with proper timing and go straight to the fainting part."

 

[invisiblycrippled]

Still look like 15g is a good dose. The person that had seizure said they took more than 15.

I find it highly implausible why a higher dose would come with a higher risk of seizures, because the thing that causes them is the same thing that brings about unconsciousness and death: hypoxia.
I would rather think that a lower dose means a slower death and thus more time for seizures to occur.

So unless there is hard evidence that a higher dose than 15g comes with a higher prevalence of seizures, I wouldn't assume it's the case.

I think seizures are just to be expected at any high dose, but it doesn't really matter, because you'll most likely be unconscious anyway.
But if you really are that concerned, just take a high dose of a benzo with the SN to reduce the risk of seizures happening while still conscious.

 

[TheUnrealGod]

There is only a single dosage mentioned in the PPeH, and it is 15g.
As for the Cimetidine and Metoclopramide, it says 30min beforehand for both, but I personally would wait 45-60min, to wait for the full effect of both medications. But that's just my personal preference.

Thank you bro, thanks so much
I have a friend doctor and said feel bad of my stomach and he will give me both

 

[TheUnrealGod]

@invisiblycrippled
I can take before I sleep ?

 

[Lifeisatrap]

You can just order Metoclopramide on eBay when you're in the UK: https://www.ebay.com/itm/primperan-10mg-for-nausea/263923711791

And there is no proper OTC med to make you sleepy. Diphenhydramine sucks and might actually slow down gastric emptying due to its anticholinergic action, so I'd advise against it.

What about meclizine?

 

[OfficerK]

Hey guys. In case you want some more info this one person made a massive post on 8ch.net detailing basically every aspect of SN. A true hero.
https://8ch.net/suicide/res/36478.html#45350 (there are multiple post he makes)
Some of it is arguments as to why SN is a good method. Critical info they says in the posts:


"MetHb [methemoglobinemia] >80% is lethal"

General outline on what drugs to take and whatnot:

"SN density is 2.168 g/cm3. One standard teaspoon contains 5*2.168=10.84g SN. So you need 1½ standard teaspoon SN.
0- Fast for 4–8 hours
1- Take 30–40 mg (max 60 mg) metoclopramide + 800 mg cimetidine
2- wait a few minutes, then take a low dose of clonazepam
3- Solve 2 teaspoonful SN (err on the side of caution) in a ½ cup of water and drink it before falling asleep
The most important part is that it takes 45–60 minutes for metoclopramide to reach its peak; adjust everything based on it. Also, drinking alcohol provoke hypotension, so it's a good idea to drink a little alcohol beforehand."

"I couldn't find a single case report of brain damage as a result of SN ingestion.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3826356/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4987464/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3444913/"

this is for those who say SN is intended for elderly audience, i presume:
"PPeH recommended five times the lethal dose of toxic substance, barring medical treatment or vomiting. Given that the dose is decided (~15 g), there're 2 remaining main parameters affecting SN method: (1) blood pressure and (2) G6PD enzyme.
(1) Individuals with hypertension feel the drop in blood pressure more than others.
(2) Individuals with G6PD deficiency are poorly responsive to medical treatment."

Response to someone saying tagamet + meto reduces effectiveness:
"The metabolism of metoclopramide decreases thus therapeutic effect increases. This is also true about benzodiazepines (e.g. diazepam) or TCAs."

"Anything [referring to sodium nitrite] with at least 98% purity is fine. If you're taking SN with 90% purity, add more SN for adulterator.
p = purity (90 %), D = desired amount (15 g), A = adulterated SN
A = D/(2 - 1/p) = 15/(2 - 10/9) = 16.875 g"

In response to someone arguing there is little cases:
"There are so many methemoglobinemia case reports. The symptoms vary based on MetHb percentage. For you it's a 15-minute trip from <2% to 90%<. You won't have time to feel all the symptoms."

In response that someone says the test subject in PPeH was 46kg (very small weight) and thus unreliable:
"SN is about blood not weight. SN primary targets hemoglobin. I'd be more concerned about taking an extremely high dose or a tiny dose while having cardiovascular diseases. In that case, you collapse and have cardiac arrest in a matter of minutes or hours respectively. Different doses lead to different causes of death (dose-response). For 1g SN cause of death was respiratory arrest (tachypnoea): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1371420/
I think this is how death occurs for ~15g SN: hypertension → tachycardia → headache → hypotension → dizziness → syncope → coma
Mixed it with benzos with proper timing and go straight to the fainting part."

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/criem/2016/9013816/

This individual had a methemoglobin level of 92%, yet still survived. Am I misinterpreting what he means by >80% being lethal? Is he actually saying that such a level will be lethal given enough time?

Also, what does he mean when he says that "SN is about blood, not weight"? Doesn't blood volume directly correspond with body weight? That is, heavier people have more blood.

 

[Slayer]

I am rapidly reaching the point where I can no longer live this life anymore. Since I live with my parents, I'll probably have to rent a hotel room in my town for two nights. I am planning to CTB with SN. Anyway, I have metoclopramide but no cimetidine. Is it going to work without it?

I could probably get my hands on ranitidine, is dosage and timing the same as for cimetidine?

Also from benzodiazepines I have Xanax. How much will I need to take it and when?

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

Hey guys. In case you want some more info this one person made a massive post on 8ch.net detailing basically every aspect of SN. A true hero.
https://8ch.net/suicide/res/36478.html#45350 (there are multiple post he makes)
Some of it is arguments as to why SN is a good method. Critical info they says in the posts:


"MetHb [methemoglobinemia] >80% is lethal"

General outline on what drugs to take and whatnot:

"SN density is 2.168 g/cm3. One standard teaspoon contains 5*2.168=10.84g SN. So you need 1½ standard teaspoon SN.
0- Fast for 4–8 hours
1- Take 30–40 mg (max 60 mg) metoclopramide + 800 mg cimetidine
2- wait a few minutes, then take a low dose of clonazepam
3- Solve 2 teaspoonful SN (err on the side of caution) in a ½ cup of water and drink it before falling asleep
The most important part is that it takes 45–60 minutes for metoclopramide to reach its peak; adjust everything based on it. Also, drinking alcohol provoke hypotension, so it's a good idea to drink a little alcohol beforehand."

"I couldn't find a single case report of brain damage as a result of SN ingestion.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3826356/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4987464/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3444913/"

this is for those who say SN is intended for elderly audience, i presume:
"PPeH recommended five times the lethal dose of toxic substance, barring medical treatment or vomiting. Given that the dose is decided (~15 g), there're 2 remaining main parameters affecting SN method: (1) blood pressure and (2) G6PD enzyme.
(1) Individuals with hypertension feel the drop in blood pressure more than others.
(2) Individuals with G6PD deficiency are poorly responsive to medical treatment."

Response to someone saying tagamet + meto reduces effectiveness:
"The metabolism of metoclopramide decreases thus therapeutic effect increases. This is also true about benzodiazepines (e.g. diazepam) or TCAs."

"Anything [referring to sodium nitrite] with at least 98% purity is fine. If you're taking SN with 90% purity, add more SN for adulterator.
p = purity (90 %), D = desired amount (15 g), A = adulterated SN
A = D/(2 - 1/p) = 15/(2 - 10/9) = 16.875 g"

In response to someone arguing there is little cases:
"There are so many methemoglobinemia case reports. The symptoms vary based on MetHb percentage. For you it's a 15-minute trip from <2% to 90%<. You won't have time to feel all the symptoms."

In response that someone says the test subject in PPeH was 46kg (very small weight) and thus unreliable:
"SN is about blood not weight. SN primary targets hemoglobin. I'd be more concerned about taking an extremely high dose or a tiny dose while having cardiovascular diseases. In that case, you collapse and have cardiac arrest in a matter of minutes or hours respectively. Different doses lead to different causes of death (dose-response). For 1g SN cause of death was respiratory arrest (tachypnoea): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1371420/
I think this is how death occurs for ~15g SN: hypertension → tachycardia → headache → hypotension → dizziness → syncope → coma
Mixed it with benzos with proper timing and go straight to the fainting part."

There is a point near the end of the thread everyone disappears and people asking where did everyone go, looks like they all ctb.

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

I am rapidly reaching the point where I can no longer live this life anymore. Since I live with my parents, I'll probably have to rent a hotel room in my town for two nights. I am planning to CTB with SN. Anyway, I have metoclopramide but no cimetidine. Is it going to work without it?

I could probably get my hands on ranitidine, is dosage and timing the same as for cimetidine?

Also from benzodiazepines I have Xanax. How much will I need to take it and when?

The cimetidine/ranitidine is essential for a peaceful death, ranitidine is 3 times as potent as cimetidine. Any kind of salt raises the production of stomach acid which could account for the pain people feel in cases where no acid blocker was taken. If your taking benzos you would need to take those prior to the sn to feel any effect, the sn will render you unconscious in 12 minutes according to the ppeh.

 

[Slayer]

The cimetidine/ranitidine is essential for a peaceful death, ranitidine is 3 times as potent as cimetidine. Any kind of salt raises the production of stomach acid which could account for the pain people feel in cases where no acid blocker was taken. If your taking benzos you would need to take those prior to the sn to feel any effect, the sn will render you unconscious in 12 minutes according to the ppeh.

Thanks. I will most likely get ranitidine since cimetidine is unavailable where I live. I ordered Tagamet from eBay a month ago but it still didn't arrive.

 

[Deutschv2]

Also, what does he mean when he says that "SN is about blood, not weight"? Doesn't blood volume directly correspond with body weight? That is, heavier people have more blood.

Fat isn't very vascular so weight usually doesn't affect blood volume too much i think

 

[Deutschv2]

I am rapidly reaching the point where I can no longer live this life anymore. Since I live with my parents, I'll probably have to rent a hotel room in my town for two nights. I am planning to CTB with SN. Anyway, I have metoclopramide but no cimetidine. Is it going to work without it?

I could probably get my hands on ranitidine, is dosage and timing the same as for cimetidine?

Also from benzodiazepines I have Xanax. How much will I need to take it and when?

In the amitriptyline cocktail I believe it uses 300mg valium, and I remeber reading somewhere valium is 10-20x less potent than xanax. So 20 mg xanax? A guess, don't take my word
Nvm after googling it peopl say 5ish mg can knock you out. Though i think 10 would be better but idk

 

[invisiblycrippled]

@invisiblycrippled
I can take before I sleep ?

What?

 

[invisiblycrippled]

What about meclizine?

No, that's not a dopamine receptor antagonist, and thus unsuitable.

 

[Dogsbody]

This is a great thread. Lots of smart and helpful people on this site.

 

[Fellow]

Would zopiclone work as a sedative?

 

[TheUnrealGod]

What?

I take both Reglan and Tagamet, after half an hour take SN (can I drink with water?)
And then go to sleep to never wake up

 

[invisiblycrippled]

I take both Reglan and Tagamet, after half an hour take SN (can I drink with water?)
And then go to sleep to never wake up

Yes, you take both the Reglan and Tagamet 30 minutes (personally I will go with 60 minutes to maximize the effects) before the SN, and then you drink the SN dissolved in 50-100ml of uncarbonated(!) water (less volume equals potentially quicker emptying from the stomach thus quicker absorption, but also more intense taste).

As you can see, there can be some variation to what the PPeH says, and until we have more hard data on the specifics, those remain a matter of personal preference.