Resource SN megathread

[Justanotherconsumer]

So half a tablespoon is 15g of SN? Wow I'm glad I heard that first I was planning to do like 3.5 tablespoons..

https://www.calculateme.com/recipe/15-grams-of-salt

Sn and salt has slightly different densities but are pretty close.

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

The PPH in the section discussing SN Dr. N says that after drinking a 15g dose of SN "vomiting is unlikely, however a single dose of 3 x 10 mg of metoclopramide can be taken 30 min before drinking the SN if vomiting is a concern"

Has anyone mentioned an online source of metoclopramide without a prescription ?

Ebay uk guy selling it out of greece primperan. Takes 10 days to usa.

 

[Throwaway563078]

How painful is this method?

 

[scales]

Yep, unless if i did math wrong. If i were you I woud use tea spoon cause there's less chance you'll be inaccurate with your measurement. teaspoon is 3 times smaller than table so it would be 1.5 tea spoon

The conversion gets me different answers depending on the source interestingly... anywhere from 1.5 to 2.8ish teaspoons.

I feel like making a scale myself that can use grams or buying one, I assume they aren't all too expensive?

 

[Deutschv2]

The conversion gets me different answers depending on the source interestingly... anywhere from 1.5 to 2.8ish teaspoons.

I feel like making a scale myself that can use grams or buying one, I assume they aren't all too expensive?

Yeah a food scale is max 30 dollars you can get them at supermarkets

 

[invisiblycrippled]

Thank you Duqu, yes it is propranolol I got the spelling wrong, I don't have enough to od on it. I also have olanzapine maybe that would help. I have meto in the post, thanks for your reply.

As a potent antidopaminergic drug Olanzapine definitely has antiemetic activity, but I don't know how to compare dosages to Metoclopramide.

 

[scales]

I wonder if we can get the first page of this thread edited with a FAQ so we don't have to read every single page for that information? There are some questions I have but feel someone else must have asked at some point already.

For example, how long do I need to fast before the SN?

 

[Arak]

@Fellow,

I think you mean Propranolol . Not likely. Check wiki.

@couldntthinkofaname ,

While anything is possible, organ damage due to oxygen deprivation is the most likely, followed by secondary effects of organ failure.

 

[Arak]

Any other experts than Nitschke (who calls this a relatively peaceful method, emphasis on relative, and how long would it really take to lose consiousness, also take into account the effect of stress on the subjective passing of time!) ?

There is a Dutch pro-choice group who chose sodium azide instead of sodium nitrite, possibly after having studied or used sodium nitrite. A comment of Chabot on what appears to be sodium azide 'not humane/peaceful at all'.

Other sources than Nitzschke ... let's keep in mind his target audience, the already dying who are suffering.

 

[scales]

Any other experts than Nitschke (who calls this a relatively peaceful method, emphasis on relative, and how long would it really take to lose consiousness, also take into account the effect of stress on the subjective passing of time!) ?

There is a Dutch pro-choice group who chose sodium azide instead of sodium nitrite, possibly after having studied or used sodium nitrite. A comment of Chabot on what appears to be sodium azide 'not humane/peaceful at all'.

Other sources than Nitzschke ... let's keep in mind his target audiance, the already dying who are suffering.

Also how does the consciousness aspect work? For example, if I just woke up and am not tired at all will I lose consciousness at the same level as someone who hasn't slept in a day and is just about to go to sleep?

 

[Fellow]

As a potent antidopaminergic drug Olanzapine definitely has antiemetic activity, but I don't know how to compare dosages to Metoclopramide.

Thankyou

 

[Voldmort]

I will use the tablespoon with defined volume and the ratio of mass to volume per density.
the error will be associated naturally because you do not have a balance, so I'll take a small amount larger than 15 g to guarantee.

here i have tablespoons of 5 and 10 mL.

Does anyone have advice on how to measure grams? I can't use tablespoons because tablespoons to gram conversion varies by material (different sugars for example have different conversion rates).

What is a way to measure grams if we don't have an appropriate scale for SN specifically?

it is possible to measure 15g making a saturated solution too, I said how to do in the thread I made on sn method.

 

[Arak]

@scales ,

As I understand this will depend on oxygen deprivation, sleep is not a factor.

 

[scales]

I will use the tablespoon with defined volume and the ratio of mass to volume per density.
the error will be associated naturally because you do not have a balance, so I'll take a small amount larger than 15 g to guarantee.

here i have tablespoons of 5 and 10 mL.




it is possible to measure 15g making a saturated solution too, I said how to do in the thread I made on sn method.

Taking more than 15g risks seizures though doesn't it?

 

[Voldmort]

Taking more than 15g risks seizures though doesn't it?

Yes, but I find it difficult for 16 g to do this, for example.

 

[throwaway777]

to all the people who ordered meto from that person from greece on ebay … what was written on the package ? did you have any problems with the border controls … what is your country? and how long did it take to receive it? .. thank you !!! <3

 

[No1SpecL2U]

to all the people who ordered meto from that person from greece on ebay … what was written on the package ? did you have any problems with the border controls … what is your country? and how long did it take to receive it? .. thank you !!! <3

In the states and it's been a bit more than 2 weeks with no luck.

 

[invisiblycrippled]

Taking more than 15g risks seizures though doesn't it?

Who says that?

 

[EpidemicOfDenial]

This post will be dedicated to compiling all the information we have on the Sodium Nitrite method (SN), including what else is needed and comparing it to other popular methods.

Before starting, I HIGHLY encourage you read most, if not all, of the chapters on the PPH, as this method may not be the most suited for you.

First of all, let's discuss why this method works, and how it kills.

Spoiler: The effects of Sodium Nitrite

Sodium Nitrite, NaNO2, acts as a catalyst in the conversion of the hemoglobin in your blood into methemoglobin (MetHB), a molecule with a much higher affinity with oxygen. This occurs when the ferrous ions in the regular hemoglobin are converted into ferric ones.
Since it's affinity is so high, methemoglobin cannot let the oxygen flow into other tissues that need it, thus depriving them of oxygen even while you're breathing. Death, then, occurs by hypoxia.
Sodium Nitrite poisoning symptoms include nausea, vertigo, vomiting, very heavy headaches and, should you manage to not pass out for too long, seizures.
The PPH claims that, during a monitored suicide with SN, the patient was unconscious at 12 minutes and dead by 35. However, some sources claim that SN poisoning might take as much as 8 hours to kill, probably due to low dosage.
Since methemoglobin creation is a natural process in our bodies, you must be aware that a certain enzyme works to transform it back into hemoglobin again. This is why the recommended dosage has varied on the PPH so much, as the syntetization of these enzymes and their "power" to overcome the formation of MetHB depends purely on your body, thus making a normal, general dose for all who chose this method very hard to determine, unlike N.

As for the physical symptoms your body will experience, not much will really change. Since your blood will mainly be MetHB, it will take on a bluish chocolate brown color, and the tips of your fingers, toes and nose (amongst others) will turn slightly blue from cyanosis.

Now, lets take a look at the "shopping cart".

Spoiler: What is needed for this method?

You'll need the following:

SN: The main compund for this method, Sodium Nitrite is easy enough to find. You're looking for >98% purity Nitrite. This chemical is sold without regulation and can be bought from Amazon, Ebay or any lab supplier in your area. 100 grams cost between 8 and 10€. This chemical is completely legal to own and is used during curation of meats to preserve their color. It's described as "White to yellowish powder/crystals" and it's said to have "slightly salty taste". It is also very soluble in water.
The recommended dose from the PPH is 15 grams, however, this has increased on different issues, from only 5, to 12 and now to 15.
Very important: You're looking for Sodium Nitrite, not Sodium Nitrate; NaNO2, not NaNO3.
Should you not find it just by looking up Sodium Nitrite, look for: NaNO2, NNaO2 or Filmerine. Make sure you're buying what you want and that it's purity is high enough. For more information on it plus some industrial sellers, check Sodium Nitrite on Pubchem.

Antiemetics: Strong enough antiemetics for this method are not OTC, so you'll need to see your way around this. You're looking for Metoclopramide or any of it's commercial names, like Reglan/Primperan. This antiemetic needs to be a Dopamine blocker for it to work.
Antiemetics aren't 100% necessary for this method, however; just like with N, you wont accomplish anything if you end up puking it all out, which is likely. This will also most likely be the bulk of the money you'll use during this method.

Acid Regulators: Another thing recommended in the PPH is raising your stomach's pH to make the SN more effective. This can be accomplished with drugs like Tagamet (The one recommended on the PPH, 800mg, which is to my knowledge OTC) or even bicarbonate, though not as effective.

Spoiler: A few extra comments

I recently got asked a few things regarding SN. First of all, you must know that the effects of this poisoning are completely reversible. It is very unlikely that you will have any permanent damage should you be "saved" during your attempt. Secondly, since this method relies on hypoxia, cardiovascular problems will reduce the amount of MetHB in blood needed to actually kill you. This, however, shouldnt really be a problem since it is sold starting from 100 grams, far more than the amount needed.

Lastly, there have been cases of people recovering from SN poisoning without any "side effects", but even if the ambulance is called soon enough, it is not certain that you will survive.

Should you have any question you can't find the answer of, please comment it and maybe you'll find someone on this community who knows.
Also, should you have any more information you'd like to share, please post it and tag me so I can edit this post and get it included. Thank you.

Is the pain delayed? How long after I drink will I begin feeling pain?

 

[scales]

to all the people who ordered meto from that person from greece on ebay … what was written on the package ? did you have any problems with the border controls … what is your country? and how long did it take to receive it? .. thank you !!! <3

I received it in 10ish days, the package said Vitamins and came from Greece, I live in the USA no issues with border control at all.

 

[scales]

Who says that?

https://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdb:@term+@DOCNO+757

 

[throwaway777]

In the states and it's been a bit more than 2 weeks with no luck.

okay ... thank you<3 .. hope you can receive it soon ..

 

[throwaway777]

I received it in 10ish days, the package said Vitamins and came from Greece, I live in the USA no issues with border control at all.

thank you for answering me ... <3

 

[invisiblycrippled]

https://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdb:@term+@DOCNO+757

Where does it specify that convulsions are more likely to occur at more than 15g, though?
It's a generally possible symptom, whatever the dose, and higher dose means more rapid onset, quicker loss of consciousness, and thus a more peaceful death. Convulsions likely occur after loss of consciousness, so I personally wouldn't be too concerned.

 

[Lifeisatrap]

Where does it specify that convulsions are more likely to occur at more than 15g, though?
It's a generally possible symptom, whatever the dose, and higher dose means more rapid onset, quicker loss of consciousness, and thus a more peaceful death. Convulsions likely occur after loss of consciousness, so I personally wouldn't be too concerned.

I thought the same thing as I was just going to injest the whole 100 grams thinking it would lead to a quicker, more peaceful death. And not leave anything behind. But someone told me it would cause a burning pain going down making it more likely to vomit.

 

[invisiblycrippled]

I thought the same thing as I was just going to injest the whole 100 grams thinking it would lead to a quicker, more peaceful death. And not leave anything behind. But someone told me it would cause a burning pain going down making it more likely to vomit.

Okay, now 100g seems awfully excessive, and I would definitely assume that it would induce vomiting. Even 100g of table salt would be a shit ton and make you puke.

There is surely also a limit to how much and how quickly the body can absorb, which I don't know is even known at this point.

15g already is a lot, really, so I wouldn't risk vomiting.

 

[Rex]

I wonder if we can get the first page of this thread edited with a FAQ so we don't have to read every single page for that information? There are some questions I have but feel someone else must have asked at some point already.

For example, how long do I need to fast before the SN?

If someone is willing to compile an FAQ on SN, then DM me and I can update the first post to include this info.

 

[Arak]

@Rex ,

Slightly off topic: I think people would appreciate the same for sodium azide !

 

[JohnDoe1]

is this good SN?

https://www.amazon.com/Sodium-Nitri...qid=1541086683&sr=8-3&keywords=sodium+nitrite

 

[scales]

How long might it take a healthy adult to die with SN ?

I have about 3-4 hours before there is a chance of being caught. I will be taking approximately 15g of SN with Tagamet and anti-emetics.