Resource SN megathread

[azurarcher]

1. I searched online marketplaces in my country and found a seller who specializes in chemical reagents and sells SN in small packages, it's sourced from Germany and the seller has a quality certificate that states NaNO2 >99.3. But I'm suspicious that it costs almost nothing, like $1 for 100g, even less if buying in kilos. The prices of other sellers are similar, if not lower, it's just the others only sell in bulk. Can it cost that little?
2. If it's legit then wouldn't it look suspicious or impolite to buy just 1 container or is this theoretically enough for some hypothetical small entrepreneur to use it for meat products? Should I add some other food preservatives to avoid questions?

 

[Disaster]

1. I searched online marketplaces in my country and found a seller who specializes in chemical reagents and sells SN in small packages, it's sourced from Germany and the seller has a quality certificate that states NaNO2 >99.3. But I'm suspicious that it costs almost nothing, like $1 for 100g, even less if buying in kilos. The prices of other sellers are similar, if not lower, it's just the others only sell in bulk. Can it cost that little?
2. If it's legit then wouldn't it look suspicious or impolite to buy just 1 container or is this theoretically enough for some hypothetical small entrepreneur to use it for meat products? Should I add some other food preservatives to avoid questions?

It is a cheap ingredient. Some sources charge extra because they know what it's used for, but those may be more dodgy. Also, "pink curing salt" is supposed to have like 6% of SN, and most of it is salt. Safe amounts of SN in food are tiny. I think when you're not ordering for a business, it shouldn't make much difference if you order 100g, 250g or five kilos. But if it's in Germany, there are some legal restrictions for being not-for-business, people have experienced welfare checks etc. It's wise to be careful.

 

[azurarcher]

It is a cheap ingredient. Some sources charge extra because they know what it's used for, but those may be more dodgy. Also, "pink curing salt" is supposed to have like 6% of SN, and most of it is salt. Safe amounts of SN in food are tiny. I think when you're not ordering for a business, it shouldn't make much difference if you order 100g, 250g or five kilos. But if it's in Germany, there are some legal restrictions for being not-for-business, people have experienced welfare checks etc. It's wise to be careful.

I see, thank you for the reply! Fortunately, I'm not in Germany, and the laws in my country are less strict than those in the EU. I'll try ordering it then.

 

[PoisonousPotato]

Does anyone know of any SN sources they can PM me that ship internationally since EM/IC has closed down?

please, i need it too

 

[sadcambsguy]

How painful and how long does this method take.

I am UK based and can get SN easily I think, just not sure on what else I may need. If I have 2 or even 3 glasses would like to know the pain impact and if it will take 30 mins, 2 hours, 10 hours etc... to work?

 

[Methuselah Fallen]

Trying to gauge the necessity for ondansetron as outlined in PPeH. Definitely getting some meto, but how necessary is ondansetron if meto itself is already an antiemetic? Seeing as it's another expensive medication to buy alongside meto, at least. PPeH recommends it alongside meto but I guess I'm just being frugal here.

 

[Disaster]

Stans Guide mentions olanzapine if metro is not available, but the dosing is in some funny units. PPH - I haven't found olanzapine doses. Could you recommend another resources on that?

 

[LastFlowers]

Same, I was wondering if someone could PM me, as my previous source from LW is expired / clumped. :C

Any help would be appreciated. I want to get out of here asap.

If it clumps does that mean it's no good?
One of my bottles is clumped now and it wasn't before, I never even opened the plastic around the bottle.
I just checked it and now I am panicking.
I thought clumping didn't mean it was ineffective.
I've kept mine in a cool, dry place..unopened.

Also my bottles were always half-full, never to the top of the cap..does this have any negative effect as well?

I bought both bottles around the same time and the only difference is that I kept one inside the packing envelope and the other outside of it. The one outside of it is the one that clumped.

 

[unnormal9]

Does the PPH 2022 include CCS source? I do not see it or IC.

 

[mia_qwerty]

This post will be dedicated to compiling all the information we have on the Sodium Nitrite method (SN), including what else is needed and comparing it to other popular methods.

Before starting, I HIGHLY encourage you read most, if not all, of the chapters on the PPH, as this method may not be the most suited for you.

First of all, let's discuss why this method works, and how it kills.

Spoiler: The effects of Sodium Nitrite

Sodium Nitrite, NaNO2, acts as a catalyst in the conversion of the hemoglobin in your blood into methemoglobin (MetHB), a molecule with a much higher affinity with oxygen. This occurs when the ferrous ions in the regular hemoglobin are converted into ferric ones.
Since it's affinity is so high, methemoglobin cannot let the oxygen flow into other tissues that need it, thus depriving them of oxygen even while you're breathing. Death, then, occurs by hypoxia.
Sodium Nitrite poisoning symptoms include nausea, vertigo, vomiting, very heavy headaches and, should you manage to not pass out for too long, seizures.
The PPH claims that, during a monitored suicide with SN, the patient was unconscious at 12 minutes and dead by 35. However, some sources claim that SN poisoning might take as much as 8 hours to kill, probably due to low dosage.
Since methemoglobin creation is a natural process in our bodies, you must be aware that a certain enzyme works to transform it back into hemoglobin again. This is why the recommended dosage has varied on the PPH so much, as the syntetization of these enzymes and their "power" to overcome the formation of MetHB depends purely on your body, thus making a normal, general dose for all who chose this method very hard to determine, unlike N.

As for the physical symptoms your body will experience, not much will really change. Since your blood will mainly be MetHB, it will take on a bluish chocolate brown color, and the tips of your fingers, toes and nose (amongst others) will turn slightly blue from cyanosis.

Now, lets take a look at the "shopping cart".

Spoiler: What is needed for this method?

You'll need the following:

SN: The main compund for this method, Sodium Nitrite is easy enough to find. You're looking for >98% purity Nitrite. This chemical is sold without regulation and can be bought from Amazon, Ebay or any lab supplier in your area. 100 grams cost between 8 and 10€. This chemical is completely legal to own and is used during curation of meats to preserve their color. It's described as "White to yellowish powder/crystals" and it's said to have "slightly salty taste". It is also very soluble in water.
The recommended dose from the PPH is 15 grams, however, this has increased on different issues, from only 5, to 12 and now to 15.
Very important: You're looking for Sodium Nitrite, not Sodium Nitrate; NaNO2, not NaNO3.
Should you not find it just by looking up Sodium Nitrite, look for: NaNO2, NNaO2 or Filmerine. Make sure you're buying what you want and that it's purity is high enough. For more information on it plus some industrial sellers, check Sodium Nitrite on Pubchem.

Antiemetics: Strong enough antiemetics for this method are not OTC, so you'll need to see your way around this. You're looking for Metoclopramide or any of it's commercial names, like Reglan/Primperan. This antiemetic needs to be a Dopamine blocker for it to work.
Antiemetics aren't 100% necessary for this method, however; just like with N, you wont accomplish anything if you end up puking it all out, which is likely. This will also most likely be the bulk of the money you'll use during this method.

Acid Regulators: Another thing recommended in the PPH is raising your stomach's pH to make the SN more effective. This can be accomplished with drugs like Tagamet (The one recommended on the PPH, 800mg, which is to my knowledge OTC) or even bicarbonate, though not as effective.

Spoiler: A few extra comments

I recently got asked a few things regarding SN. First of all, you must know that the effects of this poisoning are completely reversible. It is very unlikely that you will have any permanent damage should you be "saved" during your attempt. Secondly, since this method relies on hypoxia, cardiovascular problems will reduce the amount of MetHB in blood needed to actually kill you. This, however, shouldnt really be a problem since it is sold starting from 100 grams, far more than the amount needed.

Lastly, there have been cases of people recovering from SN poisoning without any "side effects", but even if the ambulance is called soon enough, it is not certain that you will survive.

Should you have any question you can't find the answer of, please comment it and maybe you'll find someone on this community who knows.
Also, should you have any more information you'd like to share, please post it and tag me so I can edit this post and get it included. Thank you.

Is it a painful process?

 

[lmnop]

How painful and how long does this method take.

I am UK based and can get SN easily I think, just not sure on what else I may need. If I have 2 or even 3 glasses would like to know the pain impact and if it will take 30 mins, 2 hours, 10 hours etc... to work?

heyy please could you dm me the source?

i'm in the UK and am struggling to find some!
:)

 

[symphony]

Could someone please give me some guidance on finding a reputable source for meto?

 

[BabyCamus]

Hi does anyone know if it's better to measure out the water or the SN first when making the SN drink?

 

[LC188]

Is it easy to get sn?

 

[WorthlessCoward]

Hi guys got some questions, I dissolved roughly 50gm of SN in roughly 50ml of water and no matter how much I mix, swirl and shake there are still a bunch and I mean a bunch of crystals at the bottom. Does this mean it's something really bad like it's not pure or it has been humified and turned into nitrate or something? Or am I just overthinking this since Stan's guide says

It is important that all of the SN is dissolved. If there are crystals still at the bottom of the glass, add small bits of water and keep stirring. The aim is to use as little water as possible.

And after I drink I just add a little more water mix again and drink until there's nothing left? Am I using too much SN or am I using not enough water?

Also everybody talks about benzos but would valium also do the trick?

 

[HerculePoirot]

50 ml of water can dissolve 40g of Sn max.

 

[WorthlessCoward]

Well that seems good enough to kill a man

 

[LittleBlackCat]

Was just about to order some SN from IC (had some SN previously but it's 3 years old so unsure of purity) but looks like the site has been removed. Sorry it's been asked so many times but could someone PM me the ccs link? Thank you

 

[FinalBossu]

Can someone also DM me the CCS link? I think I might know what it is but I'm also not 100% sure it's the right website.

 

[LittleBlackCat]

Can someone also DM me the CCS link? I think I might know what it is but I'm also not 100% sure it's the right website.

I found it by Googling. Ccs sodium or ccs nitrite and it was like 5th one down on the page
I'm in the UK though so it's actually no use to me

 

[unnormal9]

I found it by Googling. Ccs sodium or ccs nitrite and it was like 5th one down on the page
I'm in the UK though so it's actually no use to me

It's a comprehensive list?

 

[jolongone]

I am finding it hard to get antiemetics. I have endones, paracetamol and some weed
would that be enough

 

[nlpgirl99]

This post will be dedicated to compiling all the information we have on the Sodium Nitrite method (SN), including what else is needed and comparing it to other popular methods.

Before starting, I HIGHLY encourage you read most, if not all, of the chapters on the PPH, as this method may not be the most suited for you.

First of all, let's discuss why this method works, and how it kills.

Spoiler: The effects of Sodium Nitrite

Sodium Nitrite, NaNO2, acts as a catalyst in the conversion of the hemoglobin in your blood into methemoglobin (MetHB), a molecule with a much higher affinity with oxygen. This occurs when the ferrous ions in the regular hemoglobin are converted into ferric ones.
Since it's affinity is so high, methemoglobin cannot let the oxygen flow into other tissues that need it, thus depriving them of oxygen even while you're breathing. Death, then, occurs by hypoxia.
Sodium Nitrite poisoning symptoms include nausea, vertigo, vomiting, very heavy headaches and, should you manage to not pass out for too long, seizures.
The PPH claims that, during a monitored suicide with SN, the patient was unconscious at 12 minutes and dead by 35. However, some sources claim that SN poisoning might take as much as 8 hours to kill, probably due to low dosage.
Since methemoglobin creation is a natural process in our bodies, you must be aware that a certain enzyme works to transform it back into hemoglobin again. This is why the recommended dosage has varied on the PPH so much, as the syntetization of these enzymes and their "power" to overcome the formation of MetHB depends purely on your body, thus making a normal, general dose for all who chose this method very hard to determine, unlike N.

As for the physical symptoms your body will experience, not much will really change. Since your blood will mainly be MetHB, it will take on a bluish chocolate brown color, and the tips of your fingers, toes and nose (amongst others) will turn slightly blue from cyanosis.

Now, lets take a look at the "shopping cart".

Spoiler: What is needed for this method?

You'll need the following:

SN: The main compund for this method, Sodium Nitrite is easy enough to find. You're looking for >98% purity Nitrite. This chemical is sold without regulation and can be bought from Amazon, Ebay or any lab supplier in your area. 100 grams cost between 8 and 10€. This chemical is completely legal to own and is used during curation of meats to preserve their color. It's described as "White to yellowish powder/crystals" and it's said to have "slightly salty taste". It is also very soluble in water.
The recommended dose from the PPH is 15 grams, however, this has increased on different issues, from only 5, to 12 and now to 15.
Very important: You're looking for Sodium Nitrite, not Sodium Nitrate; NaNO2, not NaNO3.
Should you not find it just by looking up Sodium Nitrite, look for: NaNO2, NNaO2 or Filmerine. Make sure you're buying what you want and that it's purity is high enough. For more information on it plus some industrial sellers, check Sodium Nitrite on Pubchem.

Antiemetics: Strong enough antiemetics for this method are not OTC, so you'll need to see your way around this. You're looking for Metoclopramide or any of it's commercial names, like Reglan/Primperan. This antiemetic needs to be a Dopamine blocker for it to work.
Antiemetics aren't 100% necessary for this method, however; just like with N, you wont accomplish anything if you end up puking it all out, which is likely. This will also most likely be the bulk of the money you'll use during this method.

Acid Regulators: Another thing recommended in the PPH is raising your stomach's pH to make the SN more effective. This can be accomplished with drugs like Tagamet (The one recommended on the PPH, 800mg, which is to my knowledge OTC) or even bicarbonate, though not as effective.

Spoiler: A few extra comments

I recently got asked a few things regarding SN. First of all, you must know that the effects of this poisoning are completely reversible. It is very unlikely that you will have any permanent damage should you be "saved" during your attempt. Secondly, since this method relies on hypoxia, cardiovascular problems will reduce the amount of MetHB in blood needed to actually kill you. This, however, shouldnt really be a problem since it is sold starting from 100 grams, far more than the amount needed.

Lastly, there have been cases of people recovering from SN poisoning without any "side effects", but even if the ambulance is called soon enough, it is not certain that you will survive.

Should you have any question you can't find the answer of, please comment it and maybe you'll find someone on this community who knows.
Also, should you have any more information you'd like to share, please post it and tag me so I can edit this post and get it included. Thank you.

My SN came in a box, is it safe to leave in there until I use?

 

[PleaseHelpMi]

If it clumps does that mean it's no good?
One of my bottles is clumped now and it wasn't before, I never even opened the plastic around the bottle.
I just checked it and now I am panicking.
I thought clumping didn't mean it was ineffective.
I've kept mine in a cool, dry place..unopened.

Also my bottles were always half-full, never to the top of the cap..does this have any negative effect as well?

I bought both bottles around the same time and the only difference is that I kept one inside the packing envelope and the other outside of it. The one outside of it is the one that clumped.

It should be fine. Just break it up before mixing. If you want further confirmation you can do a blood test.

 

[knux]

Anybody have a link now IC is down? I'm in the UK. Thank you x

 

[mylifeasadog]

You can buy them online without prescription in some sites

Like where?

 

[WorthlessCoward]

Hey guys let me just copy paste some questions I had on another thread

Okay got some reports for you: First some info that you may or may not know. So the SN levels in the test strips go from white to pinkish to really pink. Well the first strip came out basically deep purple and the second strip came out red. I don't know if this means the levels are so off the charts or that they are below the charts (though common sense -which I don't have none-) would imply that the darker the worse. Also the nitrate levels and ph levels were also high, in fact the ph was the maximum color in the chart.
So yeah, in conclusion, summary: I don't know what to think, I mean I want to believe that it is pure, uncorrupted, unhumidified and 100% lethal but I still have doubts. I do not fear kidney failure since this body has been broken since the day it was born and it would just speed up the progress, but the mental retardation, I barely had 80iq one less and I would have trouble opening fucking doors.

Also I still wondering about the valium thing

 

[NoHone]

Can someone private message me where 2 buy dis stuff? Is that allowed? New here

 

[TiredKraut]

Anybody have a link now IC is down? I'm in the UK. Thank you x

I'd also appreciate a source for Germany if there are any left. Maybe someone wants to share.
Already ordered mine from IC but got very unlucky with delivery/pickup and it went back...

 

[PleaseHelpMi]

Hey guys let me just copy paste some questions I had on another thread



Also I still wondering about the valium thing

Sorry I don't know the answer to your question but if you are unsure about the aquarium test then you can try doing the blood test. Pour a bit of blood on sn and if it turns dark brown/chocolate brown quickly then it's pure enough to be lethal. Since that's how it works inside the body.