Resource SN megathread

[Lennox]

It'll be interesting to see comment about this. Received wisdom has been that gastric acidity during the SN ingestion process is undesirable.

Anyway, does the hypotension thing really matter in the SN process ? The killing mechanism prevents the blood from transporting and releasing oxygen to the various organs of the body, including, crucially, the brain, and the increased heart rate plus hypotension (low BP) are really irrelevant to the oxygen exchange deficit.

Just a thought.

I suppose that, in the case of CTB'ing, the hypotension specifically will happen regardless of minimal impacts of antacids. Because the quantity taken to CTB (15~20g) is much much larger than the quantity administered in the study (0.3 mg kg-1 , which for a 70kg man would mean 21mg).

But the main point I was trying to get at is that, it doesn't seem to have been established that the interaction between PPIs and SN is necessarily different from the interaction between other types of antacids and SN. The paper doesn't seem to conclude that only the PPI class of antacids will cut down effects of SN, but only say that an acidic stomach seems to be important for the hypotension effect of SN. So, it seems to me any type of antacid could potentially play the same role here.

All that said, I haven't researched the issue further yet, I'm basing my conclusions off this paper alone.

 

[nooo2]

Is it really necessary to take pills and to fast days before taking SN. I saw someone say that you don't need to take 2 days to take pills, only 8 or so hours.

 

[Lifeisatrap]

soes anyone know what the dosages/regimen would be with prochlorperazine instead of metoclopramide? i might be able to get some prochlorperazine at a push but i dont know how the dosages would be affected. any help would be appreciated :)

I second this. Was luckily able to get a hold of this along with zofran. But haven't tested it out yet because i'm scared of possible eps symptoms and it's more potent than meto. Have experienced eps symptoms such as muscle spasms in the past from various meds so i'm hesitant:(

 

[ningaman151]

Can anyone please provide me with complete instructions for this method. I have found a supplier with 99.5% purity of sodium nitrite. Please I want to ctb the pain has been going on for too long.

 

[FinalTime]

Vomiting is unlikely with N. For SN going without meto or domperidone is just setting yourself up for a bad time.

Sorry to pester with questions, but could you define "a bad time"? I don't mind so much a painful exit just so long as it works.

 

[Pointlesslife]

Sorry to pester with questions, but could you define "a bad time"? I don't mind so much a painful exit just so long as it works.

I am pretty sure he means you will just end up pucking the SN out and not die. Meto is crucial with this method.

 

[FinalTime]

I am pretty sure he means you will just end up pucking the SN out and not die. Meto is crucial with this method.

Initially that's what I thought too, but I noticed that in another thread Jake3d posted it was still likely to kill you even without the antiemetic, though it would still be a "bad time". Really just looking for some clarification on it.

 

[Aion]

Initially that's what I thought too, but I noticed that in another thread Jake3d posted it was still likely to kill you even without the antiemetic, though it would still be a "bad time". Really just looking for some clarification on it.

You will most likely die even if you puke. But it will take hours and hours, and you might suffer a lot.

 

[onlyinsleep]

You will most likely die even if you puke. But it will take hours and hours, and you might suffer a lot.

I hate the prep this method needs. I'm ready to go on a whim usually. I can't believe we need 48 hours. I wish N was more accessible.

 

[Dreamcolleger]

I hate the prep this method needs. I'm ready to go on a whim usually. I can't believe we need 48 hours. I wish N was more accessible.

Try and find something to occupy yourself with, I'm going with a couple of TV series.

 

[Fr2]

Is it possible to calculate the optimal quantity of SN based on the person's weight?

 

[littlelady774]

Is anyone worried about feeling super dehydrated after drinking SN?

 

[Dreamcolleger]

Is anyone worried about feeling super dehydrated after drinking SN?

I've seen one attempter claim that, I'll have some water close by in case.

 

[LifeOver]

Does a stat dose of meto before taking SN work or is the 48 hour regime absolutely necessary?

Also, is the fasting before taking SN necessary bc I do not want to be too suspicious to my family.

 

[thrwaway99]

I personally believe that stat dose works. The wild pigs don't consume any anti-nausea pills before their lethal hog-gones and SN still 'works.' But I'm on the fence about stat or regimen because I have no proper data to base my assumptions on regarding metoclopramide. The stat dose is nice as it's impulsive. Maybe suicides aren't the most patient people around in general so I bet there has to be a successful stat-doser out there somewhere. But be that as it may I am not against following a regimen.

 

[bluesky1972-2019]

I've seen one attempter claim that, I'll have some water close by in case.

I wouldn't worry too much about feeling dehydrated after you drink SN. You probably won't be around that long, so you can put up with it. I'd advise not to drink anymore fluids as it may "water down" the affects and slow the absorption rate.

 

[irrelevant_string]

Is it possible to calculate the optimal quantity of SN based on the person's weight?

Here's a discussion about the recommended dose:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/my-recommended-dose-of-sn.17305/#post-326892

I haven't been able to find anything useful other than that.
I don't think there's any precise information about the optimal dose, all we know is the minimum lethal dose(71mg/kg) which you then multiply by some arbitrary number just to be sure. 25g seems to be the upper boundary. Personally, I wouldn't take more than 20g.

 

[onlyinsleep]

Here's a discussion about the recommended dose:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/my-recommended-dose-of-sn.17305/#post-326892

I haven't been able to find anything useful other than that.
I don't think there's any precise information about the optimal dose, all we know is the minimum lethal dose(71mg/kg) which you then multiply by some arbitrary number just to be sure. 25g seems to be the upper boundary. Personally, I wouldn't take more than 20g.

How much loreazapam Benzos you need to avoid seizures? I don't wanna fall seizing off a bed and wake them.

 

[irrelevant_string]

I'm not sure. There are a few things to consider. One being - previous use of benzos as you'd have built some tolerance to them that way and weight plays a role too.
Also, you don't wanna take too much and incapacitate yourself to the point that you can't even drink SN.
I don't have a good answer or any sources to back up my claims. I'm only taking guesses based on personal experience.
I have a long history of benzo usage. I've been taking 1mg of lorazepam before bed for a few months now(I've been on xanax before that) and it still works, though not as fast as it used to, it takes about an hour to feel the effect now. I'd take maybe 5mg half an hour before taking SN.
I weigh somewhere around 45-50kg.

 

[jake3d]

Is it possible to calculate the optimal quantity of SN based on the person's weight?

Yeah. Wikipedia lists lowest known lethal dose as 72mg/kg. Triple that and you will get pretty close to the 15-25g most people decide to take.

 

[Codieb1]

Does the body build up a resistance to SN? I was thinking of taking small amounts and gradually increasing every few days. Best case scenario, I "accidentally" die. Worst case, I suffer after effects. Basically what I'm asking is, will I get a tolerance to vomiting, aftereffects, or methoglobwhatsitcalled, or is tolerance to this just not a thing? Is this worth trying at all, or should I just forget it? Basically I wanted to try 5g tonight just to see what would happen, but if this is dumb, never mind. I'd be taking meto of course.

 

[LifeOver]

Does the body build up a resistance to SN? I was thinking of taking small amounts and gradually increasing every few days. Best case scenario, I "accidentally" die. Worst case, I suffer after effects. Basically what I'm asking is, will I get a tolerance to vomiting, aftereffects, or methoglobwhatsitcalled, or is tolerance to this just not a thing? Is this worth trying at all, or should I just forget it? Basically I wanted to try 5g tonight just to see what would happen, but if this is dumb, never mind. I'd be taking meto of course.

No, don't do this. I have seen articles on people who have been exposed to small amounts of SN accidentally and it sounded like they had a rough time. 5g will make you need to go to the hospital, but may not be enough to kill you. Either go all out with 15+g or not at all.

 

[Roger]

I wonder if the experience of feral pig control offers any insight ? There is a product on the market which contains 7 mg SN and is supposed to be sufficient to kill an average male adult hog, which is apparently 200 lb. body weight.

I've see a brief comment elsewhere that pigs have a naturally low concentration of methaemoglobin reductase, which I suppose must render them particularly susceptible to SN.

Nevertheless, it's interesting to see that 7 gm SN figure cropping up again.

Immediate edit. I have deleted a link that I made to the commercial product. Not fair to associate it with this site. Easily found via Google for anybody interested

 

[jake3d]

Does the body build up a resistance to SN? I was thinking of taking small amounts and gradually increasing every few days.

Someone on here did just that a few months back and it appears that you do build up a tolerance.

 

[Roger]

Does the body build up a resistance to SN? I was thinking of taking small amounts . . .

Why would you want to develop tolerance ?
As a two-month Google Expert, I understand that the body fights to convert methaemoglobin back to normal haemoglobin, courtesy of the m- reductase enzyme. The doses suggested for killing ourselves are what are considered necessary to overwhelm the enzyme response.
Are you perhaps wondering whether it is possible to accumulate a fatal dose in your body of SN over a period, by taking regular smaller doses ?
I am not qualified to answer that, but intuition tells me no - the enzyme will just keep doing it's job, putting you back to square one each time.

Oh, and edit - don't treat 5 gm SN as a "small" dose just to see what happens, as you suggest. Fatalities have occurred in healthy adults after ingesting 1 gm. Admittedly that is an extreme case, but IIRC 5gm was the recommended Exit dose once upon a not-too-long time ago.

 

[Dystopia]

I don't have that many pills and am rationing them so I'll have enough left over in case something unexpected happens where I would have to cancel my attempt and try again another time. Even for my last dose I think I'll probably only go with 20mg. I'm usually kind of sensitive to meds which I guess is why I felt some doubt.

Good luck with your test, I hope it goes just as well.

I tested 10mg of Meto about 30 mins ago; had very very mild nausea to begin with; feel very slightly weaker or achy and it also feels like I have a mild symptom of restless leg syndrome "Unpleasant crawling or creeping sensation in the feet"

Makes me wonder if I should try a 30mg dose next week just to see if if the side effects are much worse. At least I know the pills work anyway 10mg doesn't seem too uncomfortable and maybe the side effects will dissipate with the regimen

 

[Fr2]

@Dystopia , are the side effects you mentioned known as normal for meto?

 

[Dystopia]

@Dystopia , are the side effects you mentioned known as normal for meto?

Most of them are, it really depends on the individual. I don't think the restless leg syndrome effects are as common but apparently they can happen from Meto.

It's been a while now and it's eased off quite a bit. My legs are quite achy when I stand up though, none of the side effects have put me off wanting to do the regimen though

 

[Vegrau]

Most of them are, it really depends on the individual. I don't think the restless leg syndrome effects are as common but apparently they can happen from Meto.

It's been a while now and it's eased off quite a bit. My legs are quite achy when I stand up though, none of the side effects have put me off wanting to do the regimen though

Just you know meto have cumulative properties. The more you take the stronger and faster it will take effect. The first time I took meto my body was aching and had a headache lasted around 1 and a half day for me.

 

[Dystopia]

Just you know meto have cumulative properties. The more you take the stronger and faster it will take effect. The first time I took meto my body was aching and had a headache lasted around 1 and a half day for me.

Did you find the side effects went away or lessened after multiple doses or did they get worse?