SN is the worst method

[Living sucks]

There was another one of old frail woman with morphine (not a member) . Due to age, metabolism, and opioids it took 02:45 . She died peacefully . I can't find that post , the woman was said to be "frail" , "underweight" .

Yes it was described by sideswipe ... it was an "in person" account, not via video, which I suppose is why I only linked Moonie. But technically the same :). @acute
Here's that link

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-successful-and-unsuccessful.30211/post-567054

 

[littlelady774]

It was at 6 Mins after SN and she was very conscious. @MeriDeath

00:37 Second puke. And she is breathing very heavy. Almost trying to gasp for air.

It makes me wonder if she aspirated on her vomit and that's why it sounded like that

 

[Quarky00]

It makes me wonder if she aspirated on her vomit and that's why it sounded like that

Probably not. Breathing heavy like gasping for air. Could be a sign of metHb , brain senses oxygen drop and tries to compensate (blood indicator and not sensory; not suffocation). That however is a bit soon at 6 minutes. So it can also be general emotional stress and physical stress from vomiting. It can be very hard on the body to expel (quite an effort contracting muscles against normal flow) and we often breath heavy afterwards.

 

[Living sucks]

It makes me wonder if she aspirated on her vomit and that's why it sounded like that

She was still coherent... this is the following mins. I personally feel she was conscious until about min 47/48... the hands on the stomach indicates imo that she was having stomach pain and aware of it and conscious.

00:38 She took her headset off. I couldnt talk to her anymore. But I could still listen to her.

00:39 Her eyes are closed and she is breathing very heavy.

00:40 Breathing slowes down. laying on her side

00:41 She coughs a bit and says fuck 3 times in a low voice. (perhaps theres some pain/ discomfort?) (this could also be the last time she was consious)

00:42 Really slow breathing. Almost looks like normal breathing

00:43 Still consious, legs spasms. She makes some grunting sounds.

00:44 eyes are open for a brief second (this could perhaps be a possible small seizure?) she closed her eyes immediately after that though.

00:45 Hands on stomach, Groans. load groans sounds like snoring. kinda like chocking

00:46 throws up a little bit. while laying on her stomach.

00:47 trying to gasp for air. making loud snoring sounds.

00:48 less snoring / gapsing for air sounds.

00:49 I think she's asleep

00:50 Def sleeping.

00:52 still same breathing. It is getting slower though

00:55 breathing becomes really slow

00:56 even slower

00:58 last breath

 

[autumnal]

@autumnal @Living sucks well I most certainly would like to know why there was such feeling involved because if it's true what autumnal said it shouldn't have been like that?

I'd tend to go with @Quarky00's assessment then.

Incidentally, I'm providing the link to Moonicide's death timeline here because it was so hard for me to find initially when only knowing her name as a relevant keyword.

 

[WhatIsMyLife]

She was still coherent... this is the following mins. I personally feel she was conscious until about min 47/48... the hands on the stomach indicates imo that she was having stomach pain and aware of it and conscious.

00:38 She took her headset off. I couldnt talk to her anymore. But I could still listen to her.

00:39 Her eyes are closed and she is breathing very heavy.

00:40 Breathing slowes down. laying on her side

00:41 She coughs a bit and says fuck 3 times in a low voice. (perhaps theres some pain/ discomfort?) (this could also be the last time she was consious)

00:42 Really slow breathing. Almost looks like normal breathing

00:43 Still consious, legs spasms. She makes some grunting sounds.

00:44 eyes are open for a brief second (this could perhaps be a possible small seizure?) she closed her eyes immediately after that though.

00:45 Hands on stomach, Groans. load groans sounds like snoring. kinda like chocking

00:46 throws up a little bit. while laying on her stomach.

00:47 trying to gasp for air. making loud snoring sounds.

00:48 less snoring / gapsing for air sounds.

00:49 I think she's asleep

00:50 Def sleeping.

00:52 still same breathing. It is getting slower though

00:55 breathing becomes really slow

00:56 even slower

00:58 last breath

She may have been conscious, but from what I've read about SN, is that you go "out of it" after about 15 minutes. This means that while you may be conscious, you won't really feel it, nor will you remember any of it, if you are "saved."

 

[Living sucks]

She may have been conscious, but from what I've read about SN, is that you go "out of it" after about 15 minutes. This means that while you may be conscious, you won't really feel it, nor will you remember any of it, if you are "saved."

I don't think you're understanding the post. She took SN at 00:31 and at 00:37 she puked and was gasping for air. Which was the original question from merideath. But she was conscious. Then i posted the rest of the timeline stating I felt she was still conscious at 00:47/48 mins (on the clock) That would be approx 17 mins after ingesting SN.
My point was .. IMO i think she was feeling and conscious during those mins and that she was not feeling well... ie discomfort, pain, sick, nausea... etc. (speculation and assumption by me, I certainly can't prove what she felt)
I wasn't saying she was conscious after 48 mins.

 

[MeriDeath]

I will also quote @Justinian who helped me clear my doubts on the SN megathread
"If by suffocate you mean something like drowning, be assured it's totally not like that. You're still able to breathe in and out with no issues. Oxygen will enter your blood and bind to hemoglobin in red blood cells and carbon dioxide will be breathed out. The reason SN leads to death is because it changes the structure of the hemoglobin so that the bound oxygen cannot be released at the tissues around your body. Without oxygen the tissue and cellular mechanisms fall apart, including your nervous system so you become unconscious. This hypoxia should be painless, maybe a bit headache"

I frankly don't know why she was gasping for air but I tend to go with all of you that it was due to her mental reaction or vomiting

 

[Quarky00]

I don't think you're understanding the post. She took SN at 00:31 and at 00:37 she puked and was gasping for air. Which was the original question from merideath. But she was conscious. Then i posted the rest of the timeline stating I felt she was still conscious at 00:47/48 mins (on the clock) That would be approx 17 mins after ingesting SN.
My point was .. IMO i think she was feeling and conscious during those mins and that she was not feeling well... ie discomfort, pain, sick, nausea... etc. (speculation and assumption by me, I certainly can't prove what she felt)
I wasn't saying she was conscious after 48 mins.

I agree, that indeed appears to be the case, but perhaps around 00:44 ? Really quibbling... The move from fainting to loss of consciousness is gradual, fainting is a temporary loss of consciousness with occasional response to stimuli but awareness is diminished. Drifting in and out of consciousness. But indeed loss of consciousness like you speculate at around 0047. (My guess is as good as yours:).

Oxygen will enter your blood and bind to hemoglobin in red blood cells and carbon dioxide will be breathed out. The reason SN leads to death is because it changes the structure of the hemoglobin so that the bound oxygen cannot be released at the tissues

That is wrong -- though the general notion of oxygen absorbed but not reaching tissues is correct. With SN induced metHb, oxygen doesn't and cannot bind to haemoglobin. It reaches the lungs very well and absorbed through the alveoli into the blood stream (capillary), but it does not bind to haemoglobin because it's metHb and cannot carry oxygen. Tissues and cells continue to use their existing supply and gradually turn to anaerobic metabolism, that happens en masse (wide/systematic) after loss of consciousness. But these specifics do not change the general notion of what you were told: body gets oxygen, tissues don't :)

Methemoglobin is a hemoglobin in the form of metalloprotein, in which the iron in the heme group is in the Fe3+ (ferric) state, not the Fe2+ (ferrous) of normal hemoglobin. Methemoglobin cannot bind oxygen, which means it cannot carry oxygen to tissues. It is bluish chocolate-brown in color. In human blood a trace amount of methemoglobin is normally produced spontaneously, but when present in excess the blood becomes abnormally dark bluish brown. The NADH-dependent enzyme methemoglobin reductase is responsible for converting methemoglobin back to hemoglobin.

 

[Justinian]

That is wrong -- though the general notiom of oxygen absorbed but not reaching tissues is correct. With SN induced metHb, oxygen doesn't and cannot bind to haemoglobin. It reaches the lungs very well and absorbed through the alveoli into the blood stream (capillary), but it does not bind to haemoglobin because it's metHb and cannot carry oxygen. Tissues and cells continue to use their existing supply and gradually turn to anaerobic metabolism, that happens en masse (wide/systematic) after loss of consciousness. But these specifics do not change the general notion of what you were told: body gets oxygen, tissues don't :)

You are correct in that MetHb cannot bind oxygen, instead of it holding on too hard. I made a mistake there. Either way the experience would be similar and you'd be unconscious before too long. I suppose any jerking/panting/moaning observed should be reflexes and can't be felt when you already pass out.

I went back to my post and could not edit it, perhaps due to a time limit to do so.

 

[kbye4321]

You must be sure you want to die if you choose SN. I can't imagine the desperation if you regret drinking it. Horrible situation. Be sure you want to die.

Sodium Nitrite

So different from just N from A or J or Z?

 

[Justinian]

So different from just N from A or J or Z?

Both SN and N if done right will almost guarantee death. You cannot reverse its effect by yourself and you may not be able to call for help after ingestion, hence 'desperation if you regret'.

 

[Shu]

Well for some they are afraid of all of the other brutal methods. Plus a lot of people don't have access to things that would be more peaceful/quicker. The song This is the closest thing that they can find in terms of accessibility and peacefulness

 

[WorthlessTrash]

Nah, worst method is living life and dying of old age.

 

[OnlyTheWind]

20 minutes? Who says? I'm confident that I'd pass out in about 5 and if it takes half an hour to die after that, I won't be conscious to feel anything.

 

[Superdeterminist]

I don't mind waiting for 20 mins. It's the horrible saltiness and potential pain and vomiting that discourages me from SN. Still, I believe it's the most convenient method, all things considered.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Both SN and N if done right will almost guarantee death.

And that is the key phrase: If done right. This is always been the issue for me with regards to SN or N. Even the simplest method if not done correctly could result in disaster eg.: Surviving and severly injured or incapacitated. The German officers of WWII, (whom I do not condone, btw) at least got it right with regards to a quick self deliverance: a capsule of potassium cyanide solution immediately followed with a shot to the head with a pistol. Potassium cyanide alone will do the job, but will be potentially painful, but if it is combined with the impact of a bullet pretty much cancels out the side effect the cyanide.

Nah, worst method is living life and dying of old age.

I second that...

 

[FuneralCry]

I think personally, to me SN does not sound as bad as some other methods like drowning or hanging and I would choose it over them. With hanging there is the fear of failure and that is what holds me back from attempting it.

 

[Superdeterminist]

I wouldn´t say SN is the worst method but I don´t like it as one of the only ones on this forum, there is simply too little evidence about it, all the knowledge about it is broscience from this forum meanwhile the people who will use SN dislike opiate overdose despite there being tons of information about how you just fall asleep and it´s basically fool proof if you say inject 1g of heroin with no tolerance.

And you can get a gun in EU you can get a gun in almost every country at least bolt action rifles and shotguns if you have a hunters license since hunting guns are legal in almost all countries even in England. Of course if you have been diagnosed with depression or suicidal thoughts you are not allowed to be around firearms.

EDIT: I am not saying SN won´t work, I am sure it will kill you but so will other chemicals like anti-freeze but that doesn´t mean it won´t be uncomfortable or painfull.

I would take opiates over SN any day, the issue is getting opiates and the risk that entails of being locked up if caught, thus entering an even hotter hell than the one you began in.

 

[Starinsky]

knowing that ur going to die in 20min is the worst. and u can't be drunk in that wait time. gun still quick and painless. but i can't get in eu

Eu? Travel to kiev and get ak47 a gun.