SN From IC Europe - Local Police Just Called Me

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Do you know if I were to let in to talk whether once inside they could search without a warrant? I live in a flat and would rather not talk to the police at my door as my neighbours will hear everything, but I'm concerned that once I let them in they can do whatever (or is that only vampires that can do that?).

Pt sme garlc arnd th/ door & fnd out

 

[WorthlessCoward]

Scandinavians are so polite

 

[looking_for_peace]

Do you know if I were to let in to talk whether once inside they could search without a warrant? I live in a flat and would rather not talk to the police at my door as my neighbours will hear everything, but I'm concerned that once I let them in they can do whatever (or is that only vampires that can do that?).

you have the right to refuse and you can ask them to leave and come back with a warrant, or tell them you don't give them permission to search your property. even if you let them inside, they are still forbidden from searching areas that are considered private (like a bedroom or bathroom) without a warrant or consent. if they give you any trouble, ask for a lawyer. they will literally not bother after this.

 

[Dot]

Scandinavians are so polite

Thr polce hve propr trainng unlke mny othr plces

 

[NoHorizon]

you have the right to refuse and you can ask them to leave and come back with a warrant, or tell them you don't give them permission to search your property. even if you let them inside, they are still forbidden from searching areas that are considered private (like a bedroom or bathroom) without a warrant or consent. if they give you any trouble, ask for a lawyer. they will literally not bother after this.

Thank you.

 

[Meliæ]

Do you know if I were to let in to talk whether once inside they could search without a warrant? I live in a flat and would rather not talk to the police at my door as my neighbours will hear everything, but I'm concerned that once I let them in they can do whatever (or is that only vampires that can do that?).

You can let them in as long as you've put the SN in another place

 

[thankyou]

I thought of getting ridd of it some months ago since I'm thinking of other methods and tools that are harder to get, but I think I want to keep the SN just in case and so I've kept it for that reason. It makes me feel more calm to know that I have it as an option and that I got it within arms reach.

Yea, I have no idea what that was about. I said I'm good and that I'll just keep the SN.

I was unsure why the police were so worried and scared of me CTB today, when I ordered my SN last August. It's ironic that they were more worried about my life than any health personel that I've spoken to last week when I was actually trying to CTB. The Emergency Room has still not contacted me and it's been an hour since they were supposed to get in touch with me, says a lot about our health system.

I don't know if they are making a big investigation over it directed towards people who have bought it or if it's only just welfare checks. I didn't feel scared or anything when I talked to them as they told me straight away that this is not illegal and I haven't done anything wrong and what my rights are. I didn't feel pushed or forced into anything. I have my SN on the table so I should probably store it elsewhere from now on. I was upfront and honest with them and they seemed understanding and respectful of me, so I don't have any concern for myself right now.

Althought my experience was okey, I do worry about others and those in different countries as the law can vary and the authority that the police have might be greater in other places. I think that planning suicide can be illegal in some places if I remember right, so it sucks. Don't want this SN customer list to cause people to get hospitalized or make them lose their SN for no reason. I don't see people getting hospitalized and getting calls from cops whenever they buy a rope for example, so it doesn't make a lot of sense.

I assume so too, at least where I live.

Did they enter your place and search for the SN?

Yes they entered my place and searched for the SN. I told them where it was. But they didn't force themselves in because I admitted to them it was there and told them they could take it. Once I told them that…. then they said if I don't give it to them, I would be involuntarily committed. I was worried sick because I genuinely lost one package. They also cited that it's a bomb making substance too (??) so it's best I get rid of it if I didn't want them coming again. So kinda threatening.
I had to give it up and couldn't resist because they showed up and said I ordered a suicide kit right in front of my partner who was already suspicious of the package. If I didn't give it to them my partner would've.

 

[Meliæ]

That's illegal...

 

[lionetta12]

Yes they entered my place and searched for the SN. I told them where it was. But they didn't force themselves in because I admitted to them it was there and told them they could take it. Once I told them that…. then they said if I don't give it to them, I would be involuntarily committed. I was worried sick because I genuinely lost one package. They also cited that it's a bomb making substance too (??) so it's best I get rid of it if I didn't want them coming again. So kinda threatening.
I had to give it up and couldn't resist because they showed up and said I ordered a suicide kit right in front of my partner who was already suspicious of the package. If I didn't give it to them my partner would've.

I think this is horrible, it's unforunate that they are showing up like that especially since most people are living with someone. I worry about the consequences and impact this has on those who live with their family and who have to explain what is going on or why the cops are showing up asking for them. I can't imagine how stressful, potentionally traumatizing and unexpectful this must be for everyone who's ordered from IC.

 

[resolutory]

Okay, so it seems the reports are real. This means the police are looking into people who bought SN from IC. That's not good news but I wouldn't be too concerned.

To all the members who bought their product from IC: if you want to be safe, hide your SN. Don't put it in plain sight. Don't hand it over to the police, even if they ask for it. Make the police look for it, if they ever come to give you a visit. Don't let them in your house without a search warrant. You don't have to and they're probably not going to get a search warrant given it's a completely legal substance. You don't need to talk to the police and you certainly don't need to justify yourself either. You don't have to help them in any way whatsoever and there isn't much they can do about it. I don't think they will be persistent given it's not an illegal substance but they will definitely try to make you give it to them voluntarily. There is no reason to do that. You can also just say you've thrown it away already, if they turn out to be persistent. That will definitely solve the issue immediately and it's believable, considering most members here bought the substance months ago.

When you say don't leave it 'in plain sight' would it be okay if it was in a box that was in plain sight or are they allowed to search boxes and open them, etc?

 

[thankyou]

Adding to this that local cops sent two cop cars, two firetrucks, an ambulance, a therapist, and 5+ people in hazmat suits entered my apartment to retrieve the SN. It was a SCENE. But they were nice enough to not ring the bell and knock? They called me first. And they did not have their lights and sirens on. But there were ~15 people total. I think it's because my local services are just bored that they all got unnecessarily involved.
Like I was happy they sent the crisis counselor because they hooked me up with so many free psychiatric resources that weren't inpatient and were nice but like … are we going to do this when people order ropes? Jfc. And the seller does not deserve all this trouble. Also, what about in places where the authority services are corrupt? They don't have mental health professionals working with cops everywhere in the United States. And what if your home isn't a safe space and all those service men showed up? Like I'm lucky but this is problematic…

 

[Cathy Ames]

Okay, so it seems the reports are real. This means the police are looking into people who bought SN from IC. That's not good news but I wouldn't be too concerned.

To all the members who bought their product from IC: if you want to be safe, hide your SN. Don't put it in plain sight. Don't hand it over to the police, even if they ask for it. Make the police look for it, if they ever come to give you a visit. Don't let them in your house without a search warrant. You don't have to and they're probably not going to get a search warrant given it's a completely legal substance. You don't need to talk to the police and you certainly don't need to justify yourself either. You don't have to help them in any way whatsoever and there isn't much they can do about it. I don't think they will be persistent given it's not an illegal substance but they will definitely try to make you give it to them voluntarily. There is no reason to do that. You can also just say you've thrown it away already, if they turn out to be persistent. That will definitely solve the issue immediately and it's believable, considering most members here bought the substance months ago.

@RainAndSadness what does this advice look like or how does it change if a person is threatened with involuntary committal, as @thankyou was? I realize the "don't let them in" advice is the same, but if they are willing to go so far as to do an involuntary committal will they break down the door and etc.?

[Also, how much does it suck that they're coming in the middle of the night? Why do that?]

 

[Letgo]

Which state?

 

[lionetta12]

Update:

Emergency Room called me half an hour ago. I got tierd of waiting for their call for several hours so thought I'd get some food, but they called me while I was in the middle of shopping. Turns out the police wanted me to go see a doctor there tonight and to have them consider a possible submittion to the mental hospital. The reason behind this was that the police were under the impression that I recieved the SN today? But I told the ER that I got it last August and they basically said oh, then it's not really relevant for you to come here and talk to us today, but you can contact us if you need any help in the future.

 

[Meliæ]

Did you give them yours? Because I didn't give them mine. Nothing I hope. I mean what could they do. I'll be gone soon anyway

Yes I've given them my number of course they're cops they already have my freaking number I mean they knew where I live they know everything
Especially for the fact I was charged for many things in my life they even have my DNA and fingerprints they can have my damn number

I have nothing to hide so why not letting them in


They could see I was doing well hope they're not coming again but if they want to come I'll offer coffee and cakes, but they'll never confiscate my SN since it won't be here anymore tomorrow I'll hide somewhere

 

[RainAndSadness]

@RainAndSadness what does this advice look like or how does it change if a person is threatened with involuntary committal, as @thankyou was?

It's very difficult for me to answer such a broad question, that highly depends on local laws around involuntary committment. There is such a strong difference between most European countries and the US alone, so any statements I make are gonna be highly inaccurate. As far as I know, they need a very good reason to commit people into psych wards, even in the most regressive countries they can't just throw people in there for buying something, right? I think your medical history might play a role here, if you have a history of attempts, maybe that could be used against you but they definitely need an emergency to break down your door like that. As long as they can't prove that you're literally trying to ctb in that very moment, there is little they can do. I just don't see it, from my understanding of your rights, I wouldn't take the bait. You probably have a very good chance of success if you resist their threats. I mean that's how I would do it and I'm not saying you should follow my advice on that. But I would definitely call a lawyer if they threatened to invade my space like that, buying SN isn't proof that you're about to commit suicide. Let's not forget that authorities are known to make empty threats, especially the police. First hand experience, that's all I'm gonna say. They'll tell you all day how this and that is going to happen, ususally they're bluffing. But as I said, it highly depends on your local laws.



Meanwhile, the fixers are malding over the fact that I told people how to avoid getting a legally obtained product seized. Yeah, there is so much criminal energy in my previous post...

Spoiler: Fixers malding

 

[Meliæ]

When you say don't leave it 'in plain sight' would it be okay if it was in a box that was in plain sight or are they allowed to search boxes and open them, etc?

They are not allowed to search for anything that is not illegal

Put it in a safe place and don't worry

It's very difficult for me to answer such a broad question, that highly depends on local laws around involuntary committment. There is such a strong difference between most European countries and the US alone, so any statements I make are gonna be highly inaccurate. As far as I know, they need a very good reason to commit people into psych wards, even in the most regressive countries they can't just throw people in there for buying something, right? I think your medical history might play a role here, if you have a history of attempts, maybe that could be used against you but they definitely need an emergency to break down your door like that. As long as they can't prove that you're literally trying to ctb in that very moment, there is little they can do. I just don't see it, from my understanding of your rights, I wouldn't take the bait. You probably have a very good chance of success if you resist their threats. I mean that's how I would do it and I'm not saying you should follow my advice on that. But I would definitely call a lawyer if they threatened to invade my space like that, buying SN isn't proof that you're about to commit suicide. Let's not forget that authorities are known to make empty threats, especially the police. First hand experience, that's all I'm gonna say. They'll tell you all day how this and that is going to happen, ususally they're bluffing. But as I said, it highly depends on your local laws.



Meanwhile, the fixers are malding over the fact that I told people how to avoid getting a legally obtained product seized. Yeah, there is so much criminal energy in my previous post...

Spoiler: Fixers malding

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Even if they force you to see a doctor just deny you're suicidal. Say you're doing great. If you don't have suicidal thoughts then you're not suicidal.

 

[unnormal9]

It's very difficult for me to answer such a broad question, that highly depends on local laws around involuntary committment. There is such a strong difference between most European countries and the US alone, so any statements I make are gonna be highly inaccurate. As far as I know, they need a very good reason to commit people into psych wards, even in the most regressive countries they can't just throw people in there for buying something, right? I think your medical history might play a role here, if you have a history of attempts, maybe that could be used against you but they definitely need an emergency to break down your door like that. As long as they can't prove that you're literally trying to ctb in that very moment, there is little they can do. I just don't see it, from my understanding of your rights, I wouldn't take the bait. You probably have a very good chance of success if you resist their threats. I mean that's how I would do it and I'm not saying you should follow my advice on that. But I would definitely call a lawyer if they threatened to invade my space like that, buying SN isn't proof that you're about to commit suicide. Let's not forget that authorities are known to make empty threats, especially the police. First hand experience, that's all I'm gonna say. They'll tell you all day how this and that is going to happen, ususally they're bluffing. But as I said, it highly depends on your local laws.



Meanwhile, the fixers are malding over the fact that I told people how to avoid getting a legally obtained product seized. Yeah, there is so much criminal energy in my previous post...

Spoiler: Fixers malding

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Thank you again, Rain.
And those 'fixer' vile beasts are absolutely despicable.

 

[redbathingduck]

Meanwhile, the fixers are malding over the fact that I told people how to avoid getting a legally obtained product seized. Yeah, there is so much criminal energy in my previous post..

That tweet would almost be funny with how ridiculous the accusations are but it's really sad that it's actually what they think, and that they believe they're in the right..

Do these people really believe mods on here are the ones distributing SN? And disrupting justice about a legal substance to own? Don't think police/authorities would have a leg to stand on to seize it in most countries. These people seem so delusional

 

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Spoiler: Fixrs

Ths = brillnt

Thre = 0 asisstng suicde in RaS pst abve -- & assistng = classd as physclly providng hlp or actvely encourgng ctb & nne of thse happn on SaSu eithr
Thy actlly thnk tht mods r distrbutng SN dspite IC hvng jst bn indepndntly xposd as a loner in Canda
Pervertng crse of justce only wrks whn r impedng invstgatn of a crme -- & purchsng SN = legl s/ whre = th/ crme

Thse ppl r hgh on thr own spply

 

[Γyuk]

Did ppl that order n2 gear from em also receive police visits?

 

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Did ppl that order n2 gear from em also receive police visits?

Hve nt hrd of n.e1 sayng tht yt -- bt tht = only mechncl equpmnt & 0 substnces as fr as am awre s/ wld nt b arrstd fr tht

 

[Sparx]

Did ppl that order n2 gear from em also receive police visits?

Just read in another thread that police knew someone had bought a suicide kit with gas mask from a Canadian seller. I bought SCBA kit but got rid of it. Jesus I won't be able to explain a second police visit to my family. They barely believe me for the SN visit (I said it was about ordering drugs online).

 

[trist]

shit i didn't expect to be glad to not have ordered sn. i live with my family (in europe) and i could never explain a police visit to our house. this situation disappoints and terrifies me a lot, making me less secure about my plan and actually increasing the urge to ctb (instead of decreasing it, which i assume is their goal?).

 

[LateForTheBus]

Meanwhile, the fixers are malding over the fact that I told people how to avoid getting a legally obtained product seized. Yeah, there is so much criminal energy in my previous post...

Spoiler: Fixers malding

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@RainAndSadness Can the prolifers who are behind all this be banned from the site? Is the Suicide Discussion forum open to everyone right now or just registered users? These people are so freakin' proud of themselves but don't realize they've only further traumatized people who are already suffering. And likely, they've just pushed more people to CTB sooner in an effort to avoid having wellness checks done on them (or done again.)

 

[Tobacco]

I wonder if the police thought after taking the SN from someone: "Cool, now they can hang themselves, or jump from a high place or in front of a train!".

 

[Source Energy]

My local police and crisis intervention team (mental health social services) in the USA showed up to my house in the middle of the night. They were kind but they took the Sn, saying if I didn't give it to them I would get involuntarily committed. Looks like a seller from Canada got busted and they are sending authorities (FBI) to sn buyers. They were nice and obviously I'm not in trouble but I hope the seller doesn't go down for us. They don't deserve it. Theyre business we targeted for our own cause, it's not their fault. Stay safe ya'll.

omg. When did you buy the SN? Was it from CCS?
I think everybody should start thinking of places to hide the SN, other than their own homes

 

[thankyou]

Yup it was, and the other major source got busted. So they're both on the hook now. Definitely time to hide it outside your home. And I bought in early March.

omg. When did you buy the SN? Was it from CCS?
I think everybody should start thinking of places to hide the SN, other than their own homes

 

[Lavender Dreams]

If you have a lot to lose, or you're at risk of being locked up in the looneybin for an indefinite amount of time when the police do a search and find the sn, I'd recommend everyone to get rid of it. There is no guarantee they won't come back with a warrant or something, and we have other methods out there.

I had to repeatedly say I got rid of it back in January, and that I've been ok since because they were insistent and kept saying it was dangerous to other people in the household. That one could die purely by inhaling it. They had also asked whether I told anyone about this or shared sources, and thankfully I never did because it didn't seem right to me. I'm afraid they are trying to catch out individuals for suicide assistance and get them into massive trouble over this. I am not sure if they want to get our loved ones into shit as well over not reporting us, if we confessed having it to them but the questions did imply they were out for more than a simple "welfare check".

I hope everyone will stay safe.

 

[tiredofbreathing]

Adding to this that local cops sent two cop cars, two firetrucks, an ambulance, a therapist, and 5+ people in hazmat suits entered my apartment to retrieve the SN. It was a SCENE. But they were nice enough to not ring the bell and knock? They called me first. And they did not have their lights and sirens on. But there were ~15 people total. I think it's because my local services are just bored that they all got unnecessarily involved.
Like I was happy they sent the crisis counselor because they hooked me up with so many free psychiatric resources that weren't inpatient and were nice but like … are we going to do this when people order ropes? Jfc. And the seller does not deserve all this trouble. Also, what about in places where the authority services are corrupt? They don't have mental health professionals working with cops everywhere in the United States. And what if your home isn't a safe space and all those service men showed up? Like I'm lucky but this is problematic…

How long ago did you order?