SN effectiveness

[qwerty1969]

I know it would be anecdotal but what would be the approximate success rate for CTB by SN?

Opinions and/or guestimate welcome.

 

[LookAway]

Given you aren't found, call for help, and follow the protocol i'd say pretty high.

 

[HerculePoirot]

I don't have a sufficient number of confirmed reports to publish a comprehensive statistical study. However, I've seen zero example so far of Sn failure when recommended protocol was carefully followed.

 

[LateForTheBus]

I don't have a sufficient number of confirmed reports to publish a comprehensive statistical study. However, I've seen zero example so far of Sn failure when recommended protocol was carefully followed.

Are most of those successes with IC? Or, have you seen SN from CCS to be just as effective? Thanks!

 

[Sommeil]

Are most of those successes with IC? Or, have you seen SN from CCS to be just as effective? Thanks!

I don't have a sufficient number of confirmed reports to publish a comprehensive statistical study. However, I've seen zero example so far of Sn failure when recommended protocol was carefully followed.

I'm new, but saw someone here try just last week, who did not succeed. They were devastated to wake up and shared with us total confusion because they'd followed protocol to a T, and now had to call ambulance. I remember them sharing how horrifying it was to see their sunken, distorted face in the mirror afterward. I'm ashamed to admit I had been hopeful it would work, so I could hold out hope for myself. I'm sorry.

 

[Sparr0w]

I'm new, but saw someone here try just last week, who did not succeed. They were devastated to wake up and shared with us total confusion because they'd followed protocol to a T, and now had to call ambulance. I remember them sharing how horrifying it was to see their sunken, distorted face in the mirror. I'm ashamed to admit I had been hopeful it would work, so I could hold out hope for myself. I'm sorry.

you mean the one where they took ~15g nitrate cause they measured wrong and bought from a scam site? lookingovertheedge?
or the multiple that threw up / got found?

...sorry, that came out rude. i'm just wondering which post you're referring to X)
im kinda tempted to try and find all the SN goodbye threads from like, the past month or two and compile the results... would probably be a lot of work though

 

[Sommeil]

you mean the one where they took ~15g nitrate cause they measured wrong and bought from a scam site? lookingovertheedge?
or the multiple that threw up / got found?

...sorry, that came out rude. i'm just wondering which post you're referring to X)
im kinda tempted to try and find all the SN goodbye threads from like, the past month or two and compile the results... would probably be a lot of work though

That wasn't the one, no. I don't remember their profile name. It might have been 'Average Joe', but not sure.

 

[Sparr0w]

That wasn't the one, no. I don't remember their profile name. It might have been 'Average Joe', but not sure.

oh yeah, he was high as part of his regime and that + faulty scales = wrong amount of SN, i don't think it was ever confirmed how much he actually took

 

[Sommeil]

oh yeah, he was high as part of his regime and that + faulty scales = wrong amount of SN, i don't think it was ever confirmed how much he actually took

I don't remember either of those things being part of his journey. I don't think we're referring to same person.

 

[Sparr0w]

I don't remember either of those things being part of his journey. I don't think we're referring to same person.

Post in thread 'Leaving in a few hours' https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/leaving-in-a-few-hours.111662/post-1907703
you might be thinking of someone else though, as there have been a lot of goodbye threads and failure threads.

 

[Sommeil]

Post in thread 'Leaving in a few hours' https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/leaving-in-a-few-hours.111662/post-1907703
you might be thinking of someone else though, as there have been a lot of goodbye threads and failure threads.

That might be it. Who is the author of that thread? Did I remember Average Joe right?

 

[Sparr0w]

That might be it. Who is the author of that thread? Did I remember Average Joe right?

that is the average joe thread, specifically a link to the post where he mentions the measure was faulty.

 

[Sommeil]

that is the average joe thread, specifically a link to the post where he mentions the measure was faulty.

Did he write that after coming back from hospital?

 

[Sparr0w]

Did he write that after coming back from hospital?

considering he mentions a doctor, i assume so

 

[tiredangelgirl]

you mean the one where they took ~15g nitrate cause they measured wrong and bought from a scam site? lookingovertheedge?
or the multiple that threw up / got found?

...sorry, that came out rude. i'm just wondering which post you're referring to X)
im kinda tempted to try and find all the SN goodbye threads from like, the past month or two and compile the results... would probably be a lot of work though

there was a post a while ago where someone had made a pdf chart of peoples experiences on here - comparing survivors vs ones that were successful. it seemed like the only ones who failed had changed their minds last minute and called an ambulance OR someone had found them.

the successful cases were described as best as they could from goodbye threads on here or if they had someone on the phone with them, video chatting etc.

I get skeptical of these charts and *studies* because without real names or info i'm unsure how accurate it all is. (that's just my trust issues I guess) but the guy seemed to try his best with the info he could find on this site alone.

I don't remember the users name but it was definitely under one of those sn specific threads. it was floating around for a while so I hope you find it. i'm sorry I can't be of more help :/

 

[Sommeil]

considering he mentions a doctor, i assume so

I hadn't read the thread till the end and didn't know about the scale. Thanks for sending that. Ease and certainty would be so soothing.

 

[soontobedone]

@Sommeil I totally get wanting to know if a ctb is successful for reassurance of method choice, I think if everyone is honest most feel the same. But it's difficult because we want whatever is best for the person and this truly is a sensitive situation.
It might be nice if some of the folks who have been here quite a while tell us what they think of SN effectiveness.
It would help if we could confirm obits etc. But then again knowing too much about each other might put us at legal risk in the future.
It's amazing how hard ctb is. I think we all wish there was just a light switch to turn off.

 

[Sparr0w]

I hadn't read the thread till the end and didn't know about the scale. Thanks for sending that. Ease and certainty would be so soothing.

yeah, idk if i'll finish but ive started going through fail threads (and, eventually, goodbye threads lol) to try and identitify the main fail things and maybe an approximate % of failing + % of failing when "everything is done correctly"?

 

[WearyHSP]

I'm new, but saw someone here try just last week, who did not succeed. They were devastated to wake up and shared with us total confusion because they'd followed protocol to a T, and now had to call ambulance. I remember them sharing how horrifying it was to see their sunken, distorted face in the mirror afterward. I'm ashamed to admit I had been hopeful it would work, so I could hold out hope for myself. I'm sorry.

I read that too and it really frightened me.
I can't get meto. I asked my dr and she said it's a horrible drug that, what was it, causes permanent damage of some kind? (my memory sucks.) Instead she gave me zofran which as far as I can tell isn't made for our ctb intention.

I didn't want to post my concern on Average Joe's thread because it wasn't supportive to talk about my concern, but it's got me scared of the pain he experienced. (I know he didn't take enough sn - still, my heart sank when I read his post.)

PS, I met someone on SS and after MANY dms shared my zofran with her. She had a successful ctb with sn. The last thing she shared with me was that her body was shaking. She didn't mention pain.

 

[soontobedone]

Hi @WearyHSP Zofran is a great med. I got Meto from a vet supply but the side effects are always a concern.
Would you happen to know the brand of SN your friend used. We are all wondering how effective CCS is.

 

[WearyHSP]

yeah, idk if i'll finish but ive started going through fail threads (and, eventually, goodbye threads lol) to try and identitify the main fail things and maybe an approximate % of failing + % of failing when "everything is done correctly"?

Hi, if you're able to follow through with that project, I'm sure lots of people would appreciate your time and effort. I know I would.

Hi @WearyHSP Zofran is a great med. I got Meto from a vet supply but the side effects are always a concern.
Would you happen to know the brand of SN your friend used. We are all wondering how effective CCS is.

Honestly I dodn't know. My memory is really bad (part of my disabling illness) but also I don't think she mentioned a brand, I think she bought it on a general shopping site known for bidding (did I get that right? word finding is another halacious symptom of my illness - hard to put sentences together.). I know the brand she got wasn't IC. That's what I have... the expiration date is coming up... ugh!

You know about Zofran? At the time when I got it, I searched this site and posted a question when I found almost nothing on zofran, but no one responded. I'd love to know more if you know more about zofran. It doesn't seem to meet the standard in Stan's Guide but also, my brain function is poor and I can get easily overwhelmed. Wish I could word this better - hopefully you understand what I'm saying.

 

[Sparr0w]

Hi, if you're able to follow through with that project, I'm sure lots of people would appreciate your time and effort. I know I would.

the main problem is just that to do stats a sample of 100+ threads would be best, brrr, so it's just gonna take ages. plus im gathering a ton of variables and a lotta threads dont state things so actually getting various bits to stats might take a bit of effort if the missing value is a numerical value... once/if i go through like 20-50 threads i'll make one with my findings so far :p

 

[neonlol]

SN Success rate 83%. Less than 20% reported pain?

https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/19/21/13996 44/53 of those that took it on purpose died (89% of men died, 67% of women, but the sample size for women was smaller) Even 57% of those that were hospitalized died In 95 cases, it was possible to collect information relating to the symptoms (Figure...

sanctioned-suicide.net

 

[Obliviate]

That average joe post was scary but SN is still the best and easiest method to go by or now I guess. It's very conflicting but I'd rather go through SN than live a miserable life or die in a horrendous painful way.

 

[Sommeil]

@Sommeil I totally get wanting to know if a ctb is successful for reassurance of method choice, I think if everyone is honest most feel the same. But it's difficult because we want whatever is best for the person and this truly is a sensitive situation.
It might be nice if some of the folks who have been here quite a while tell us what they think of SN effectiveness.
It would help if we could confirm obits etc. But then again knowing too much about each other might put us at legal risk in the future.
It's amazing how hard ctb is. I think we all wish there was just a light switch to turn off.

I want the switch.

 

[glitterypearls]

the main problem is just that to do stats a sample of 100+ threads would be best, brrr, so it's just gonna take ages. plus im gathering a ton of variables and a lotta threads dont state things so actually getting various bits to stats might take a bit of effort if the missing value is a numerical value... once/if i go through like 20-50 threads i'll make one with my findings so far :p

there is a doc I found of the success and failure, I have no idea of you seen it but it's very useful, It seem the ones who failed called for help, someone found the, didn't have back up glasses to take after vomiting and they didn't measure right.

success and failure

@Sommeil @qwerty1969 @soontodie222 you guys need to do your own research, no one can tell you if something is successful or not, our bodies react differently to things, I linked the docs I found above which will help, SN seem to fail if the person didn't do their research on how to do it right AND/OR called for help because they changed their mind. no one here can tell you how to do it exactly, this is just like studying for a test, you have to research yourself, gather information and study it to know exactly what you need to do, and ultimately no one knows what best for you. that answer you can only know yourself.

methods can fail if you rushed and didn't do as much research, I seen someone who did partial hanging and failed twice even though almost everyone think this method would be successful, It just really depends, just do your research, there is a lot of topics and guides here, its up to you to find them, but I can't stress this enough you have to do your research, some methods if they fail, you will end up worse than before physically, but from what I read SN fail isn't going to cause organ failure or you ending up as a vegetable, but again do your own research.