Should I tell my psychiatrist im actively planning on ctb?

[oooobeeeeii]

first I planned on setting up a later date and I told that to my psychiatrist but later more and more I want to ctb soon. Should I tell her that or just go with my plan?

 

[FuneralCry]

Only if you want to get locked in a horrific psych ward. I think that if someone is actually planning to die they should never tell anyone about it. Suicidal people don't deserve to be punished for wanting to die.

 

[stermc]

If you want help to not do it, then yes.

 

[HerculePoirot]

Tell her if and only if you want her to prevent you from doing it.
If you really want to end it all quickly, just shut up.

 

[downndone2]

If you want help but you may be sectioned

 

[lonelyandsad]

People are saying you might be involuntarily committed. If you live in the US, this isn't necessarily true. You can tell a mental health professional you plan to kill yourself without them committing you. I tell my therapist and psychiatrist about my plan all the time and I haven't been committed. You're only committed if you can't keep yourself safe until your next visit. So just say you have a plan, but that you will not act on it yet (if you don't want to be hospitalized).

I think you should tell your psychiatrist. IMO, ctb should be a last resort. Might as well see if you can be helped before doing something permanent.

 

[parkinglot]

Don't talk about a plan. Only talk about passive ideation. Dont say you're actually going to do it. Just say you think about that if you died randomly, it wouldn't be so bad. Don't talk about harming yourself or anyone else if you don't want to get 1013'd.

 

[Disaster]

Doctors basically everywhere in the world are responsible for preventing suicides if they are aware that someone will attempt. You should make decisions about telling or not telling using that knowledge. In the current legal situation it wouldn't be reasonable to tell a doctor about a plan and expect them to not stop you. So do you want the doctor to stop you? Or to respect your decision and then live in the stress caused by the fear of someone finding out that she could stop you? Or do you want to make her prosecuted? You need to figure out what is your goal.

 

[theboy]

Ask him what would happen if:
do you understand me?
For example, what options does he give me in case he wants to finish me off? What measures are useful for that? Will I be in a ward?

 

[UKscotty]

Why would you? It risks the whole plan.

Telling anyone, even on here is a bad idea for specific details.

If you want to do it as a cry for help, there are more sensible ways.

 

[TAW122]

I stand with most people here, if you are actively planning to CTB and your psychiatrist (or basically any mandated reporter), then legally, he/she would end up breaking confidentiality and reporting it to the authorities in an effort to prevent you from CTB'ing. With that said, if you wish to succeed in your plans, then I wouldn't tell them, but if you want to be saved or prevented from CTB'ing, then you can tell them your plan.

People are saying you might be involuntarily committed. If you live in the US, this isn't necessarily true. You can tell a mental health professional you plan to kill yourself without them committing you. I tell my therapist and psychiatrist about my plan all the time and I haven't been committed. You're only committed if you can't keep yourself safe until your next visit. So just say you have a plan, but that you will not act on it yet (if you don't want to be hospitalized).

I think you should tell your psychiatrist. IMO, ctb should be a last resort. Might as well see if you can be helped before doing something permanent.

I don't think this is true across the board. As someone who has had sessions in the past with mental health professionals, I had situations where they talked about a safety plan, even if I did not talk about CTB or any 'plan'. They even prodded a bit about my background and asked various personal details about my life just to ensure that I wasn't about to do something. I certainly felt interrogated and treated like a criminal at the time.

I would believe that had I been more direct or detailed, it would likely result in the mental health professional(s) intervening in one way or another, such as telling me to voluntarily check myself into a hospital/ward or that they would send law enforcement to whereever I resided (I lived in an apartment for a time and also lived at another person's home for a few years at the time).

Don't talk about a plan. Only talk about passive ideation. Dont say you're actually going to do it. Just say you think about that if you died randomly, it wouldn't be so bad. Don't talk about harming yourself or anyone else if you don't want to get 1013'd.

Yes, that would be correct. Though I will say that sometimes even without talking about CTB or even passive ideation, some mental health professionals will catch wind of suicidality and press for that (which leads to) or even potential 'intervention'. It is just too risky for me and every time I am interacting with a mental health professional (let alone just about anyone who is a mandated reporter), I always treat it like an interrogation and have to be very careful with my choice of words.

 

[SilentSadness]

Better safe than sorry. Being locked up, strip-searched and force-fed pills in a psych ward must be a traumatising experience which should be avoided at all costs. Unfortunately I doubt psychiatrists can actually help, after all the problems we face in life are real and not able to be solved by a change in mindset or some pro-life ideology. It's such a shame that not only death is so hard and brutal in this world but those who are alive are tortured by this horrific system of illogical people. I hope you find the peace you deserve.

 

[TAW122]

Better safe than sorry. Being locked up, strip-searched and force-fed pills in a psych ward must be a traumatising experience which should be avoided at all costs. Unfortunately I doubt psychiatrists can actually help, after all the problems we face in life are real and not able to be solved by a change in mindset or some pro-life ideology. It's such a shame that not only death is so hard and brutal in this world but those who are alive are tortured by this horrific system of illogical people. I hope you find the peace you deserve.

True and well spoken. To add to your point, also pills and medication cannot change life circumstances and the world around someone, only alleviate the symptoms and/or change one's physiological and psychological perception (which wouldn't help with real problems of course..).

 

[Euthanza]

The only psychiatry I would tell my CTB plan is Prof. Thomas Szasz, because he was a pro-choice for sure.

I refuse to contribute for pro-lifers psychiatrists, they'll take my money and making a career out of my suffering, disgusting.

 

[lonelyandsad]

I would believe that had I been more direct or detailed, it would likely result in the mental health professional(s) intervening in one way or another, such as telling me to voluntarily check myself into a hospital/ward or that they would send law enforcement to whereever I resided (I lived in an apartment for a time and also lived at another person's home for a few years at the time).

You're making a guess as to what would happen. I'm speaking from actual experience. I've dealt with 4 different mental healthcare professionals in the past 6 months and spoke at length about DETAILED plans. One even knew I had SN. I called one from the parking lot of a sporting goods store because I was about to buy a shotgun. I was never involuntarily committed. In my experience, mental healthcare professionals do not want to commit you. It is a last resort. They'll ask about plans and safety measure you can take. They may even suggest you go to inpatient. But involuntarily committing only happens when you're very close to actually killing yourself.

If OP is considering asking for help, why would you want to discourage them? Some people can be helped. And anyway, they can always ctb after reaching out for help if the help doesn't work.

 

[Schaf]

Where I live doctors can't force you into the psych ward. What they can make is a voluntary paper for you to enter the psych ward by yourself showing up the papers. To go by involutary method you should be found actively trying/unconscious and someone finding you and calling an ambulance, they'll treat you at the hospital and then move you to the psych ward.

I don't recommend telling her though, just say about that your depression/anxiety is getting worse so she can change your dosage or meds. I haven't seen a single comment about anyone having a good experience at the psych ward. Mine was horrible honestly. Also I don't know the laws about your country so it would be a good idea for you to search about it.

 

[absolomonisgone]

Best never tell anyone your ctb ideas if you do they will only define you as a suicidal person. Ctb is a very private affair. Even when you ctb they will make theories on why. If you were reserved they will say you had problems and if you were easy going and popular they will say you were putting on a facade. If you are poor they'll say poverty made you ctb if you're rich they'll say money can't buy happiness. So best keep it to yourself and only you know why

 

[6MillionWaystoDie]

I would tell them you are suicidal but you don't have a plan. That way you can discuss it and determine if you want the help offered.

I'm not sure of where you live and your age but undergoing hospitalisation just because you disclose is not automatic.

My practioner
knows I am suicidal,
knows I have a plan,
knows what steps I've already carried out, and
knows its only a matter of time.


I am an advocate for myself and every new practitioner I deal with I tell them up front there's nothing they can do so just get with the program.

Depending on the practioner they will deal with it how they see fit. More modern practioners already know treating someone like a stick of dynamite or forcing feeding them pills is not an effective way to "cure" people.


However if you are underage you can and will be hospitalised because you are not seen as fit to make rational decisions for yourself in this area.

 

[oooobeeeeii]

You're making a guess as to what would happen. I'm speaking from actual experience. I've dealt with 4 different mental healthcare professionals in the past 6 months and spoke at length about DETAILED plans. One even knew I had SN. I called one from the parking lot of a sporting goods store because I was about to buy a shotgun. I was never involuntarily committed. In my experience, mental healthcare professionals do not want to commit you. It is a last resort. They'll ask about plans and safety measure you can take. They may even suggest you go to inpatient. But involuntarily committing only happens when you're very close to actually killing yourself.

If OP is considering asking for help, why would you want to discourage them? Some people can be helped. And anyway, they can always ctb after reaching out for help if the help doesn't work.

I like your way of thinking. I too got hospitalize, once, but it was more like "you should come stay here in a hospital of a little bit" and it was kinda chill there I can say I even liked it. I want to get help I need, I am too young (18) to just not try help before suicide. And as u said, I can always just ctb and get it over with.

 

[Disaster]

It's perfectly okay and valid to ask for help. It's not reasonable to tell a psychiatrist about the plan if one wants to actually ctb, because the psychiatrists duty is to prevent it. People who want help are valid and deserve help. But "saying goodbye to a mental health professional" before attempting is a way of preventing the attempt. I'm pro-choice, so I believe the OP has the right to be stopped if she wants to.

 

[parkinglot]

Deep down, I don't want to ctb but want to keep the option open because reasons if things happen a certain way then it may be the only reasonable alternative to what would amount to great suffering. I talk to a professional and have a glimmer of hope for the future but despair is overriding most of the time. When asked about ideation, I make it very clear that I don't want to hurt myself or especially anyone else and that I just think about it as if the despair gets me to a place where I just don't care if I live or die. Like if reasons go badly, life isn't worth living and I'd like to just die in my sleep or something. I don't ever talk about formulating a plan or active ideation. I learned that lesson the hard way once before. Never again.

If you're serious about ctb, I hope you've made a well-examined analysis about why you've arrived at that conclusion and it is not something silly like your 1st girlfriend left you. Beware voices who encourage or discourage you to take action either way. Instead, seek the counsel of people who force you to ask yourself questions about why you have chosen that path.

Sometimes life is worth clinging onto. Something choosing to end one's life is the best choice. It is not a decision to be reached lightly due to its finality.

 

[Buddha.chris]

Most psychiatrist, consider that a huge red flag she'll most likely admit you to the psychiatric institution, where they will strip you down naked for your own safety and more depending on your country's laws im sorry your going through this