Discussion Responding to antiacid discussion

[Wrath]

I've read some reports here by people who took way less than is recommended in PPEH (just a few grams) and would very likely had died were they not 'rescued'. Interestingly they didn't report any serious adverse effects. In general they were quite positive about the method and said that they would use it again. The only drawback was a longer time to unconsciousness. There is also a report of a nurse who died from as little as 1 gram of SN. Do you think that taking a large amount (20+ grams) would actually cause most of the suffering and pain that some people unfortunately have experienced? To me it seems logical after reading what you said about the chemical reactions taking place in the stomach and how they probably could cause chemical burns in it and pain. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

It's just my opinion, but I think it's very irresponsible of Nitschke to recommend such high doses when a way smaller ones are lethal. Why? Because the more the better? One article I've read stated that for humans a lethal dose is somewhere between 0.7 and 3.6 grams. Other source stated a lethal dose to be 78 mg/kg of body weight. Even so, with my body weight (60 kg.) I'd only need 4.6 gr. And even if I double that it would be 9.2 gr. Why on Earth would I need to take 20 or 25 gr? I want to euthanize myself (euthanasia actually means 'good death') and not to simply execute myself.

Once I read somewhere that if you live by the book you'll die from a mistake in it. For so many people PPEH is like the Bible and they would rather follow it by the letter because it is THE BOOK than do any extra research and learn from as many experiences as they can, and there are plenty of those on this site.

Also, LD50 is not a good reference for humans, as these values are derived from tests on animals, mostly rats and rats are generally known to tolerate way higher doses of poisons than humans.

I'm looking forward to your reply!

New thread because of mod post.

Adding my own opinion. Wouldn't potential discomfort from pure sn be defeated by taking antiacids? It's anecdotal but going off of the hundreds of posts I've read on here, the ones that took antiacids seemed to have better results. I can't conclude anything yet though. I would like to hear your opinion. Antiacid or not is still one of the biggest what-ifs on this forum.

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We have discussions about whether it will delay consciousness, leading to more peace if not taken.

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We have discussions that it's not useful in the presence of antiemetics.

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And we have discussions about the chemical reactions that it avoids, leading to less discomfort due to less converted salt.

I'm leaning towards yes for antiacid.

 

[UltimateTrip]

After reading the post that I quoted in that other thread I'm leaning towards an antacid too. Especially that I don't have access to a recommended antiemetic. And after all the reports that I've read and other data from articles regarding the effective lethal dose of SN for humans, I'm also leaning towards a sufficient (but not unnecessarily excessive) dose of SN. An antacid + a reasonable dose of SN would lead to less irritation and damage to the stomach which would lead to a more peaceful and comfortable deliverance.

At the moment SN is my backup method. But if I were to go that way, my regimen would probably look something like this: amitriptyline (no access to benzos) + ibuprofen + an antacid (30 min prior to SN) + 5 gr. SN with a backup dose of 2-5 gr. SN in case I vomit. Also, I'm considering an option to use gelatin capsules because 1) it's very likely I'd want to puke just because of the taste alone and 2) because there were a few reports of people using them and finding them to be helpful. One user first tried SN in capsules, failed (was 'saved'). The second time he took SN in water and failed. And in his last and successful attempt he used capsules again. But I don't know how much an antacid would affect the break down of capsules in the stomach.