Discussion Religion carries a message?

[Pupuce]

Annex
Humanity experiences the existence of a god through consciousness (mind).
The vast majority of humanity believe in god (in general).
We have a specific facts state
of which it is such that the vast majority people of "God exists."
Even atheists have consciousness (mind).

Thanks Zeus you added the fact that atheists have consciousness and a mind. You could have added morality as well.
But the experience of god through consciousness as been already studied. Everyone can experience it, but only theists dare say that god is the one responsible for it. So that's not a valid argument.

 

[TowerUpright]

Despite my closeted atheism, I do think there are people who firmly believe in a God, religion, etc., For good purposes ( in their mind). Best intensions and all that. Many, I think, believe due to their rearing and social/pressures don't allow much room for dissent public or private (like me). And, then there are people who like having a perceived source of absolute truth for the sake of their own ego / power.. one more reason to leave this Earth.

 

[JoeFailure]

Despite my closeted atheism, I do think there are people who firmly believe in a God, religion, etc., For good purposes ( in their mind). Best intensions and all that. Many, I think, believe due to their rearing and social/pressures don't allow much room for dissent public or private (like me). And, then there are people who like having a perceived source of absolute truth for the sake of their own ego / power.. one more reason to leave this Earth.

Some of it is probably hope too. That's what it is for me. That there's some kind of meaning or justice eventually to all of this. But there's so much divisiveness in some of these religions. The whole "well if you don't believe in this God you go to hell" or whatever. That's ultimately where the issues arise.

 

[ish]

So far, as a result of evolution, consciousness has only appeared in the human species Homo sapiens, no other species have it,
Incident or miracle? All species have their own nature, but only homo sapiens are aware of their existence, thanks to it
have developed a Civilization. Morality, however, is a subset of the set of consciousness. In my conversation I mean GOD
as a phenomenon and concept in general as a Supernatural Being (superhuman). The issue of naming is more a language and culture issue.
There is no rational and credible scientific theory proving how consciousness appeared in homo sapiens and in its
consequently, the development of such things as speech, the use of fire, the creation and development of writing, etc. Paradoxically, these theories they undertake
attempts to explain the above phenomena are based on a possible probability so they cannot be arguments. In other primates despite
attempted skills that they acquire in laboratories are of no use, such individuals have no chance of returning
to the natural environment, integration with his species so as to pass on acquired skills.
In the beginning (consciousness in homo sapiens) there was a word (word). It is thanks to this that people began to name things, features, activities, etc.
Issue of AWARENESS - even wikipedia uses etymology to explain what's going on, with every language like any
the word and term AWARENESS has its sources and other meaning, e.g.
Hebrew- modaot - means consciousness, modin - information
French-conscience - conscience, morality, impeccability, consciousness, conscience, knowledge
English - consciousness - consciousness, self-knowledge, waking, consciousness of mind, memory
- awareness - awareness
German- dasBewusstsein - consciousness, consciousness; derBesinnung - consciousness, sense, consciousness
Polish - świadomość - self-witness
Latin - conscientia - from knowledge, awareness, conscientiam - conscience, Notitia - information, notitiam - advertisement
Arabic - keep it, understand it and accept it, it's aware, so I'm aware of it
Persian - self-awareness
and other languages.
For a better understanding I would suggest doing the following to open the "consciousness" entry in the wiki and read the article not only in the language of the country
origin, but also in other languages, by translating the text using Google into the language of the country of origin in the browser, the differences are too much
noticeable, and the conclusions will come by themselves. Consciousness is closely related to the state of knowledge possessed by its understanding, association of concepts and
for the above formulation of conclusions.
Similarly, you can check the password "existence of god - proving the existence of god" in the above way, I recommend a website in Chinese.
Since TORA is written in Hebrew, I would like to point out some facts about this language, it is an old language,
the word structure is based on the so-called the core usually consists of three letters (sometimes four), with all letters
there are 22 in the Hebrew alphabet. The cabalists and their predecessors, by examining words with a three-letter root, came to the conclusion that among all
possible combinations, there are 72 combinations (3-letter cores) that do not occur in this language - when read as a word, they mean nothing, we people don't understand what they mean.
Hence their name 72 Names of GOD. (This is also empty spaces.) This situation also applies to the New Hebrew language, which was reborn in Israel in the 50s of the last century.
Etymological proof as an argument.
God as such in the monotheism of El and Elohim (singular and plural, understood as unity) according to the message of TORY, he defined
themselves as JHWH (Hashhem - This Name), recognizing the existence of God think of him as "The One That Is" although atheists speak the language even though they speak the language the same way
like people who acknowledge God's existence think and speak about him
"The one who (is there) no exist". Such a construction is senseless in itself, it containsthe logical contradiction "is = does not exist" is ABSURD.
The above proof can be ignored, but acceptedthen a specific position.
It is the individuality of a man, his ego in confrontation with the surrounding reality that forces him to seek answers.
Unfortunately, in these considerations we reach limits that we cannot cross as people with our minds, really theism
or atheism is just an attitude towards this problem.

 

[FXBoerQ]

We are technically all atheist, as we don't believe in every god... We choose which to believe in (if you believe in any god and reject all other gods)

Imagine you were coming from a remote island, or even another planet, and from the outside look at all the religions... Why would you believe the one above the other? The three Abrahamic religions (Jews, Christians and Muslims) "technically" believe in the same god. Yahweh, Jehova and Allah... Why then would god confuse the people and let them kill each other in his name? Narcissistic god if you ask me.

Even in the bible it says in corinthians "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints."

But in Christianity alone there are around 30 000 denominations... Confused much?

I will put three links here to give some perspective, the first is from a evangelical pastor that opened his eyes and mind...

 

[ish]

As long as you live as a follower of one religion, or you are an atheist, for example: an atheist, Jew, Buddhist Christian, zenist, etc.
you have a definite view of life "your consciousness". As far as
expand your knowledge of atheism and other religious systems and the values defined in them, subconsciously and consciously confront them for your own use, you create your own system. By deepening your knowledge, you are expanding your consciousness. In other words, you're referring to reality based
for knowledge. To understand it is best to draw from
The sources, the Torah, and the information it contains are the basis of both
Islam and Christianity.
For religion and the problem of God understood as a whole - I try it
all the time, I referred to this in the post - The problem of understanding and imagining god. Link -
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/the-problem-of-understanding-and-imagining-god.20059/
If we assume that we understand GOD as a creation, a being, something eternal, something that is the cause of everything we know as humanity.
It is GOD that definitely exists. Such GOD is all that we know as humanity and all that we do not know as humanity.
This concept of God is presented in the Torah written in Hebrew and it is the first book of the monotheistic religion.
In this language God is called El, HaShem (JHWH) which means God, This Name (these words are singular), but also Ribonim, Elohim
(the plural results from the language, but it is a linguistic exception understood as one). The first known creator of this
the concept was Abraham, as a traveling shepherd knew different centers of civilization and different gods. He used the simplest possible
solution - One GOD (EHAD) instead of inventing gods over gods.
"Man" - man as an individual is only a replaceable element,
Everyone, without exception, is selfish. Egoism is synonymous with survival instincts. I will develop this concept:
we were created with the survival instinct - to live as much as possible,
price is not important (we kill to survive, ensure our existence,
the survival of the human species, we compete with each other for everything, paradoxically, such behavior somehow forces the continuous development and progress of humanity). For God, humanity is the most important thing
as a whole, not a single person, family, community,
and even a nation (we know the history of extinct nations).
Because of its limitations (corporality, senses,
mind options, time limit - life expectancy, is not
able to comprehend or embrace a superhuman being (GOD).
Theists, recognizing his existence, take a position of humility.
they are aware of their imperfections.
Atheists denying the existence of god are on the side of ignorance,
they ask the question - who or what created god? not knowing the answer
to the questions of who, what, where, what does God do, what does it look like etc.?
This is similar to the situation in which Ludwig Feuerbach asked a question - who or what created computers and artificial intelligence?

With all due respect, the video message smells of Freemasons' interests.

 

[ish]

I want to supplement this thread with simple tests on
perception from the internet.
It shows that people noticing more
are considered ................ And their perception
is closely related to responsible brain function
for processing information from the surrounding reality,
which affects their consciousness.
Face Test
There are supposedly 11 faces in this picture.
ordinary people see 4 - 6
perceptive 8 - 9
very perceptive - 10
even better - 11
paranoid schizophrenics - 12 and more faces



Mask test-https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16911-schizophrenics-see-through-hollow-mask-illusion/

Conclusions: seeing more (face test) and not giving up
cheat (mask test) are more developed
in the system of evolution from most of its individuals
species. Still, they are recognized by science and doctors as
sick and treated. Such were probably most of the reformers, prophets, artists, etc. and also some scientists. It is also a fact that the actions of such people
is often unpredictable and contrary to applicable law.
There is also a view that such people are God's chosen people.
The question arises whether this is the next stage of evolutionary development
a man beyond whom people often represent
a threat to others and themselves, is this a mistake of evolution?

 

[FXBoerQ]

I want to supplement this thread with simple tests on
perception from the internet.
It shows that people noticing more
are considered ................ And their perception
is closely related to responsible brain function
for processing information from the surrounding reality,
which affects their consciousness.
Face Test
There are supposedly 11 faces in this picture.
ordinary people see 4 - 6
perceptive 8 - 9
very perceptive - 10
even better - 11
paranoid schizophrenics - 12 and more faces

View attachment 15035

Mask test-https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16911-schizophrenics-see-through-hollow-mask-illusion/

Conclusions: seeing more (face test) and not giving up
cheat (mask test) are more developed
in the system of evolution from most of its individuals
species. Still, they are recognized by science and doctors as
sick and treated. Such were probably most of the reformers, prophets, artists, etc. and also some scientists. It is also a fact that the actions of such people
is often unpredictable and contrary to applicable law.
There is also a view that such people are God's chosen people.
The question arises whether this is the next stage of evolutionary development
a man beyond whom people often represent
a threat to others and themselves, is this a mistake of evolution?

OK without reading the results I saw 13 faces. I don't think I am schizophrenic, maybe it's because I just took 6g of magic mushrooms. Waiting for it to kick in

 

[Empty Smile]

I read the first two lines of this thread and became instantly bored. Enough of the fiction, bring on the facts.

 

[ish]

I have the dilemma myself, from tests and opinions of science, that the vast majority of people are "cheated" by their own brains,
those whose own brain is not "cheating" according to science are sick?

 

[ish]

Nirwana (expiry)
निर्वाण
Death is not painful for those who have no attachment or unfulfilled desires,
even by hanging. Life is eternal for them.(They live as BUDDHA in
consciousness of the living - they become BUDDHA)

Punarapi Jananam Punarapi Maranam Punarapi Janani Jatare Sayanam, Iha samsare bahu dustare Meaning:
I am entangled in this cycle of birth and death; time and again I experience agony and being in the womb.
It is very difficult to cross this ocean of earthly life. Please, take me across this ocean and give me liberation.


To be born is a worry; to be on earth is a worry; the world is the cause of worry and death;
all childhood is a worry, as is old age; life is a worry, failure is a worry;
all actions and difficulties cause worry; even happiness is a mysterious worry.
God's creation. The end of Consciousness is freedom. Consciousness is used by the mind. End of Mind is freedom from our soul.

 

[Baskol1]

OK without reading the results I saw 13 faces. I don't think I am schizophrenic, maybe it's because I just took 6g of magic mushrooms. Waiting for it to kick in
View attachment 15096

There are 11 faces.

 

[ish]

ZEN (ध्यान - attention, 禪 那 - for you)
(learning your true nature, achieving buddha)
"According to zen, the world is best seen when man is not disturbed by his prejudices. Every comparison, every rational thought is building an approximate model of the world, which is slowly beginning to obscure reality. People look at the environment through the prism of their conditions. A dissonance arises from this which emanates from suffering. Emptiness is a lack of conditioning. Thoughts appear when they are necessary, but when they are not restrained or fought, they pass without a trace. The mind is like a mirror. After further meditation, even the mirror disappears. "

"Enlightenment means a zen state of transcendence with oneself and complete fusion with the Void. This term evokes negative associations in Western culture and provokes unjust accusations of nihilism. In Zen, however, it does not mean a lack of thoughts and feelings, nor does it mean ethical nihilism."

both fragments come from the WIKI website - Zen in Polish.
link -https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen

 

[ish]

 

[Oblivion]

everyone has the right to their own views and independent thinking (this is also the gift of God).

oh man, what gift of god? a gift that gives us the ability to deny his existence and live forever in hell?
religion is bullshit, god does not exist.

 

[Soul]

In the face test, don't the horse's faces count?

 

[ish]

Note for face test.
I can see the faces in the picture, their number depends on
my concentration. I realize
from the fact that the question itself suggests an answer.
As a result of analytical thinking, though -
i can't see the face this clearly, it gives the answer -
1 face of a rider on a horse, the rest is an illusion.

 

[Soul]

Note for face test.
I can see the faces in the picture, their number depends on
my concentration. I realize
from the fact that the question itself suggests an answer.
As a result of analytical thinking, though -
i can't see the face this clearly, it gives the answer -
1 face of a rider on a horse, the rest is an illusion.
People have faces

Hm. In my language animals also have faces (except maybe oysters, worms etc)

 

[ish]

In my language a man has a face
animals have morda, snouts, heads, and more.
in addition, there are other terms
on face - facjata, lico etc.
Terminology and etymology is the key to understanding and an agreement.

 

[Soul]

In my language a man has a face
animals have morda, snouts, heads, and more.
in addition, there are other terms
on face - facjata, lico etc.
Terminology and etymology is the key to understanding and an agreement.

Yes it is, and on an international forum it may be best to specify in advance that horse faces don't count. 8]

 

[ish]

The test comes from the internet. The entire test is posted. I didn't make any corrections to it. I do not judge the correctness of the answer. I have included it for illustrative purposes as an example -
as with the help of questions, you can suggest an answer (manipulate
study).
My answer to the test -I can see the faces in the picture, their number depends on
my concentration. I realize
from the fact that the question itself suggests an answer.
As a result of analytical thinking, though -
i can't see the face this clearly, it gives the answer -
1 face of a rider on a horse, the rest is an illusion.
(including horses - plus two visage of horses).

 

[ish]

oh man, what gift of god? a gift that gives us the ability to deny his existence and live forever in hell?
religion is bullshit, god does not exist.

 

[Pupuce]

So far, as a result of evolution, consciousness has only appeared in the human species Homo sapiens, no other species have it.

Philosophical consciousness has no proof of existence and is just some religious bs. Scientific consciousness is the ability to be aware of your surrounding and every animal at least is able to do so, maybe even plants. And if you want to consider atheism and theism as an opinion toward seeking answer, well atheism is "we don't know therefore we won't believe anything" and theism is "we don't know therefore god".

We aren't all atheist because, as long as you believe in at least one god, whichever one it is, you cannot fit the "lack of believe in a or several gods".

Theists, recognizing his existence, take a position of humility.
they are aware of their imperfections.
Atheists denying the existence of god are on the side of ignorance,

This is the very reason your opinion is bad. Theists does not have any humility. Forcing your mumbo jumbo on others whilst pretending you have the truth and you are perfect little lambs of your deity is not a position of humility. You base everything in your life on nothing more than a lie.
Atheist don't deny god. They doubt it. And yeah we are ignorant but at least we have the honesty to admit we don't know, and we don't put a god of the gap everywhere to ease us.

To deny something you would have to prove it's existence. God as never been proven, and will quite surely never be.

 

[ish]

I agree on the terms atheism and theism. While you
you strive for a clear division between atheists and self theists
I try to observe this from a perspective and draw conclusions.
I am a man not a lamb, and this makes a significant difference in
consciousness, you couldn't even communicate with the lamb,
unless you know the language of the animals or sheep.
Isn't it humbleness to admit your limitations and
possible ignorance resulting from this, against attitude
denial (I do not understand = not there)?
I'm still trying to imagine what GOD looks like
I try to consider all facts available
people resulting from scientific and intellectual achievements,
including various concepts of "His" vision arising from
of different religions, I also consider my own imperfection
arising from the senses and mind that
limit me like any other man.
The concept (representation) of "GOD" could be that, consisting
of the elements constituting unity (EHAD):
1. Existing in the minds (consciousness) of living beings
realistically, i.e. physically. This kind of symbiosis. Beings
living real would be lethal, while existing
in their consciousness it would exist "all the time" and develop
along with their civilization. This "immortal" would not feel
suffering of physically living beings. Theoretically it's possible
but foreign to us because we depend on the body.
It would not bother "him" that because of beings
carnal would be understood in different ways depending
from the culture and language they use, and independently
from their state of consciousness. Diversity among the living
is a necessary condition for continuous further development.
2. I can't imagine how or if it "feels"
inanimate matter, I suppose a kind of "consciousness"
of this matter are the laws and principles known to humanity
which rule and keep it in the shape we know.
Do we know all the laws of matter? - no.
3. Everything that lies beyond the limits of human cognition.





I do not intend to impose my view on anyone.
Everyone has the right to shape their own consciousness
individually. But I also believe that atheism is
an introduction to faith.
In my concept of god the resulting diversity
from language, culture and generally consciousness
living humanity,this is a desirable condition because
forces further development of civilization.
The most important difference in my reasoning
and the position of many religions is to comprehend the soul.

 

[Gorgon]

In all my years of study I have determined there are two main "gods" which preside over this world. Now when I say God I do not mean a personified being like a human. But by the more general conceptualization, a being which is measurably more powerful than human beings, and is not constrained to the limitations of human beings. These beings are not like us their version of being is diffrent. One is biological evolution and the second is technology. As Darwin observed a seemingly insignificant mutation can compound over time to create diverse species. Evolution then is not the cause of change but the God that evolves from change over time. Christian's are quick to point out that it is very improbable that humans emerged from random chance. Which further complicates their point which is god made them. Well if human complexity is so improbable to evolve from random interaction the complexity of a God evolving before is even less probable a notion. Rather I believe gods evolve as evolution points out everything residing in our universe does. Now the God of evolution is not all powerful it need not be. It need only be measurable more powerful than a human being to control matter or exist outside time. It a repeating self replicating pattern just like us is as much a being as us. If its effects are tangable it to must be tangable.

The second God is the God of technology. A much smaller God at this point because its evolution has been short compared to the 13.5 billion year evolution of evolution itself. But it too has the trait of compounding returns and accelerates exponentially. Technology is at war with nature technology's aim is to become a more powerful being than that of nature. You can see the shift in world power from one to the other around the time the Anglo saxons started what would be become a revolution in Europe and a war in America for freedom freedom from nature. The beginning of the church marked a change in the way people observed status and power. Power was no longer held by nature and its rules but by the rules of "god" the God of technology. We went from biologically appointed power to power from subjectivity. This marked the doom of the human race. What is the ultimate goal of technology? To become the God of nature. To control that which controls, but there is a catch that isnt possible for a human. So we create artificial intelligence. Not just in the form of computers but in most technology to help humans surpass human capacities to control evolution. And science is winning this war but at what cost and for what purpose? Because the God of technology evolved from the God of evolution. The difference between science and evolution is that science is supposed to be an objective perspective that is the idea to have such a completely objective perspective you can see through your bias. But the problem is that science as a concept is entirely subjective not objective. Science in a dogmatic way is acknowledging the thing it tries to disprove the "supernatural" it is in itself if it exists the attempt to achieve supernatural abilities. So how could one have a completely objective perspective even if I manage to curve my bias it's still a humans eyes so if I use a computer it's still a humans perspective of a computers perspective. Evolution has already won because the only way to have an objective perspective is to not exist. That is the only way to be free of bias judgement and misunderstanding that is the ultimate aim of tecnology the death of humanity the death of subjectivity which means the death of science

 

[Pupuce]

I agree on the terms atheism and theism. While you
you strive for a clear division between atheists and self theists
I try to observe this from a perspective and draw conclusions.
I am a man not a lamb, and this makes a significant difference in
consciousness, you couldn't even communicate with the lamb,
unless you know the language of the animals or sheep.
Isn't it humbleness to admit your limitations and
possible ignorance resulting from this, against attitude
denial (I do not understand = not there)?
I'm still trying to imagine what GOD looks like
I try to consider all facts available
people resulting from scientific and intellectual achievements,
including various concepts of "His" vision arising from
of different religions, I also consider my own imperfection
arising from the senses and mind that
limit me like any other man.
The concept (representation) of "GOD" could be that, consisting
of the elements constituting unity (EHAD):
1. Existing in the minds (consciousness) of living beings
realistically, i.e. physically. This kind of symbiosis. Beings
living real would be lethal, while existing
in their consciousness it would exist "all the time" and develop
along with their civilization. This "immortal" would not feel
suffering of physically living beings. Theoretically it's possible
but foreign to us because we depend on the body.
It would not bother "him" that because of beings
carnal would be understood in different ways depending
from the culture and language they use, and independently
from their state of consciousness. Diversity among the living
is a necessary condition for continuous further development.
2. I can't imagine how or if it "feels"
inanimate matter, I suppose a kind of "consciousness"
of this matter are the laws and principles known to humanity
which rule and keep it in the shape we know.
Do we know all the laws of matter? - no.
3. Everything that lies beyond the limits of human cognition.

I do not intend to impose my view on anyone.
Everyone has the right to shape their own consciousness
individually. But I also believe that atheism is
an introduction to faith.
In my concept of god the resulting diversity
from language, culture and generally consciousness
living humanity,this is a desirable condition because
forces further development of civilization.
The most important difference in my reasoning
and the position of many religions is to comprehend the soul.

Consciousness is not language. Language is a way to communicate. Consciousness allows to apprehend your surroundings. Those are totally different. Not being able to communicate with someone/something doesn't mean it has no consciousness. And it is utterly wrong to deduce that we are the only one with consciousness just because others doesn't understand us and we can't talk to them.
It is humbleness to admit you don't know, yes that i agree. It is wrong to feed ignorance with fairy tale. We, through the knowledge we have as a specie, have a way to explain everything believers claim to be the work of god without any supernatural being, or disprove such claims. God is only needed to compensate ignorance.

You first point it being in the mind of peoples, I assume you don't mean physically present in everyone heads because that would just be "Hey god is an organ", which is weird and it couldn't be immortal. As for spiritual existence, well spirituality has never been proven, and seeing as how we are prideful it could just be another lie like the fact we are an objectively superior species.

Your second point is bizarre. They are inanimate, so they don't need to feel anything so they are not equipped to feel. And since apparently animals don't have consciousness as you define it, why would inanimate objects?

Your third point is intriguing. How come you could get to a conclusion about something outside of anyone's knowledge/understanding?

 

[Shamana]

So far, as a result of evolution, consciousness has only appeared in the human species Homo sapiens, no other species have it,
Incident or miracle? All species have their own nature, but only homo sapiens are aware of their existence, thanks to it
have developed a Civilization. Morality, however, is a subset of the set of consciousness. In my conversation I mean GOD
as a phenomenon and concept in general as a Supernatural Being (superhuman). The issue of naming is more a language and culture issue.
There is no rational and credible scientific theory proving how consciousness appeared in homo sapiens and in its
consequently, the development of such things as speech, the use of fire, the creation and development of writing, etc. Paradoxically, these theories they undertake
attempts to explain the above phenomena are based on a possible probability so they cannot be arguments. In other primates despite
attempted skills that they acquire in laboratories are of no use, such individuals have no chance of returning
to the natural environment, integration with his species so as to pass on acquired skills.
In the beginning (consciousness in homo sapiens) there was a word (word). It is thanks to this that people began to name things, features, activities, etc.
Issue of AWARENESS - even wikipedia uses etymology to explain what's going on, with every language like any
the word and term AWARENESS has its sources and other meaning, e.g.
Hebrew- modaot - means consciousness, modin - information
French-conscience - conscience, morality, impeccability, consciousness, conscience, knowledge
English - consciousness - consciousness, self-knowledge, waking, consciousness of mind, memory
- awareness - awareness
German- dasBewusstsein - consciousness, consciousness; derBesinnung - consciousness, sense, consciousness
Polish - świadomość - self-witness
Latin - conscientia - from knowledge, awareness, conscientiam - conscience, Notitia - information, notitiam - advertisement
Arabic - keep it, understand it and accept it, it's aware, so I'm aware of it
Persian - self-awareness
and other languages.
For a better understanding I would suggest doing the following to open the "consciousness" entry in the wiki and read the article not only in the language of the country
origin, but also in other languages, by translating the text using Google into the language of the country of origin in the browser, the differences are too much
noticeable, and the conclusions will come by themselves. Consciousness is closely related to the state of knowledge possessed by its understanding, association of concepts and
for the above formulation of conclusions.
Similarly, you can check the password "existence of god - proving the existence of god" in the above way, I recommend a website in Chinese.
Since TORA is written in Hebrew, I would like to point out some facts about this language, it is an old language,
the word structure is based on the so-called the core usually consists of three letters (sometimes four), with all letters
there are 22 in the Hebrew alphabet. The cabalists and their predecessors, by examining words with a three-letter root, came to the conclusion that among all
possible combinations, there are 72 combinations (3-letter cores) that do not occur in this language - when read as a word, they mean nothing, we people don't understand what they mean.
Hence their name 72 Names of GOD. (This is also empty spaces.) This situation also applies to the New Hebrew language, which was reborn in Israel in the 50s of the last century.
Etymological proof as an argument.
God as such in the monotheism of El and Elohim (singular and plural, understood as unity) according to the message of TORY, he defined
themselves as JHWH (Hashhem - This Name), recognizing the existence of God think of him as "The One That Is" although atheists speak the language even though they speak the language the same way
like people who acknowledge God's existence think and speak about him
"The one who (is there) no exist". Such a construction is senseless in itself, it containsthe logical contradiction "is = does not exist" is ABSURD.
The above proof can be ignored, but acceptedthen a specific position.
It is the individuality of a man, his ego in confrontation with the surrounding reality that forces him to seek answers.
Unfortunately, in these considerations we reach limits that we cannot cross as people with our minds, really theism
or atheism is just an attitude towards this problem.

I dont know how anyone can argue that animals dont have consciousness. They may not have self-reflection which is a different thing.

 

[Pupuce]

In all my years of study I have determined there are two main "gods" which preside over this world. Now when I say God I do not mean a personified being like a human. But by the more general conceptualization, a being which is measurably more powerful than human beings, and is not constrained to the limitations of human beings. These beings are not like us their version of being is diffrent. One is biological evolution and the second is technology. As Darwin observed a seemingly insignificant mutation can compound over time to create diverse species. Evolution then is not the cause of change but the God that evolves from change over time. Christian's are quick to point out that it is very improbable that humans emerged from random chance. Which further complicates their point which is god made them. Well if human complexity is so improbable to evolve from random interaction the complexity of a God evolving before is even less probable a notion. Rather I believe gods evolve as evolution points out everything residing in our universe does. Now the God of evolution is not all powerful it need not be. It need only be measurable more powerful than a human being to control matter or exist outside time. It a repeating self replicating pattern just like us is as much a being as us. If its effects are tangable it to must be tangable.

The second God is the God of technology. A much smaller God at this point because its evolution has been short compared to the 13.5 billion year evolution of evolution itself. But it too has the trait of compounding returns and accelerates exponentially. Technology is at war with nature technology's aim is to become a more powerful being than that of nature. You can see the shift in world power from one to the other around the time the Anglo saxons started what would be become a revolution in Europe and a war in America for freedom freedom from nature. The beginning of the church marked a change in the way people observed status and power. Power was no longer held by nature and its rules but by the rules of "god" the God of technology. We went from biologically appointed power to power from subjectivity. This marked the doom of the human race. What is the ultimate goal of technology? To become the God of nature. To control that which controls, but there is a catch that isnt possible for a human. So we create artificial intelligence. Not just in the form of computers but in most technology to help humans surpass human capacities to control evolution. And science is winning this war but at what cost and for what purpose? Because the God of technology evolved from the God of evolution. The difference between science and evolution is that science is supposed to be an objective perspective that is the idea to have such a completely objective perspective you can see through your bias. But the problem is that science as a concept is entirely subjective not objective. Science in a dogmatic way is acknowledging the thing it tries to disprove the "supernatural" it is in itself if it exists the attempt to achieve supernatural abilities. So how could one have a completely objective perspective even if I manage to curve my bias it's still a humans eyes so if I use a computer it's still a humans perspective of a computers perspective. Evolution has already won because the only way to have an objective perspective is to not exist. That is the only way to be free of bias judgement and misunderstanding that is the ultimate aim of tecnology the death of humanity the death of subjectivity which means the death of science

I truely think calling evolution god is a disservice to evolution. God is too loaded of a word to not be abused by any faithful servant. We should just keep to "Theory of evolution". It sounds great, everyone knows (or at least should know) what is it and it is not a trap. Same goes for technology.
"Power was no longer held by nature". Locally on Earth, maybe. But over the entire universe it's false .
I don't think technology tries to have any supernatural powers, because it's based on science and whatever science can explain is not within what is supernatural. Maybe it is synthetic, but not supernatural.
As for the objectivity of science, it is mainly about the conclusions we get to not being influenced by the scientist beliefs. Science don't claim then fit the observations into the claim, it does the opposite. If any other person would do the same experiment under the same conditions, he would get to the same result.

 

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I dont know how anyone can argue that animals dont have consciousness. They may not have self-reflection which is a different thing.

In this case, I spoke wrongly, I meant
that human consciousness is unique, is related
with speech and language - a specific type of communication between individuals.

 

[Pupuce]

In this case, I spoke wrongly, I meant
that human consciousness is unique, is related
with speech and language - a specific type of communication between individuals.

That is still wrong. Human consciousness is as unique as cockroaches consciousness is. Most pets have different levels of sound they can produce and that can be understood by their masters, they also can be taught orders, elephants have come to have a particular sound to alert others about bees, and birds, just birds. Parrot can mimic human sound and associate them with meaning. Also gorillas (namely Koko) has been taught sign language and has, when she learned that Robin williams died, signed that she was sad. Human consciousness is not by any means particular, superior or unique. Talking about it like it's a wonder is just disingenuous.
That account mostly for oral language. Exist also body language. Like cats closing their eyes in front of you is a sign of trust, or dog with their tails between their legs being afraid.
I should also mention ants and their societies.