R2 Rebreather question about air tight mask seal and reply I got

[Lost Magic]

Here is a reply I got from the people behind the R2d rebreather. I must say the response was very quick. I asked about shipping and obtaining a good airtight fit. I hope some of you find this helpful.

Just contact me directly regarding any aspect of the purchase and shipping. Regarding obtaining a good airtight fit--The three masks all have inflatable cushion seals around the perimeter, and I would be shocked if you couldn't achieve an airtight seal with one of the three masks. If you needed a larger mask than the largest provided, you could go online and find one (or just let me know and I'll do the research for you). The key to getting an airtight seal is finding the right size mask and tuning the cushion seal to the right degree of inflation. Once you prove to yourself that the seal is good (the User Instructions and the video cover this step), getting the chin and face mask straps to hold the mask firmly in place is only a matter of trial and error. Practice makes perfect in this case, and the new design of the ReBreather allows unlimited opportunity to practice. (Only when you've decided to use the device do you need to attach the canisters. That's a major improvement over the original design.) Best wishes,

 

[Last chance]

I'm getting more and more tempted by one of these but with no reports on them actually working I'm still a little too skeptical to place an order.

 

[Lost Magic]

I'm getting more and more tempted by one of these but with no reports on them actually working I'm still a little too skeptical to place an order.

Yeah, I hear you but it is a fairly new device. It is gonna take time before people start to document and record evidence of its effectiveness. I think I will buy one as an alternative to Sodium Nitrite. The people behind it have made lots of improvements to the design so it might be worth a punt.

 

[I want to end it]

What does this debreather involve and is it painless?

 

[profoundexperience]

What does this debreather involve and is it painless?

Since this device is not illegal (afaik), and for educational purposes only (I don't have one and therefore cannot endorse it... although I'm enthusiastic about having another method in our "toolbox")...

I recommend reading about it and watching the videos on their website to learn about it from the "source": www.right2die.org.

Also download their PDF instructions (here is the PDF: www.right2die.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/R2D_Rebreather_Instructions_3.18.21.pdf — but always make sure to DOWNLOAD THE NEWEST VERSION of their instructions by looking it up on their website).

 

[Lost Magic]

What does this debreather involve and is it painless?

Yeah, do your research from the site like profound experience has shown you. From what I hear it is painless and only takes minutes to die.

 

[I want to end it]

ok thank you.

 

[lofticries]

This sounds too good to be true.

 

[Lost Magic]

This sounds too good to be true.

Not really it is just a more sophisticated exit bag.
Actually, I might become a guinea pig for this rebreather in the future and send a video by skype to Exit International.

 

[lofticries]

Doesn't the lack of ctb successes using this method bother you? It's still new territory.

What makes this better than the exit bag/mask method?

 

[Lost Magic]

Doesn't the lack of ctb successes using this method bother you? It's still new territory.

What makes this better than the exit bag/mask method?

All down to personal preference. I actually had a lot of problems getting the proper regulator (in the uk) for the right pressure to work so I gave up on that idea. Still have the nitrogen tank though. I also prefer a mask to a turkey bag over my head haha.

 

[profoundexperience]

What does this debreather involve and is it painless?

From what I hear it is painless and only takes minutes to die.

This sounds too good to be true.

There is also a chapter in the PPeH covering such devices, history & how they work (although, as of date not updated for this new version).

The previous version of this product won Exit's "NuTech award" for innovation.

And there are opponents with good arguments, including @Greenberg (search their posts for more info)*... I've heard the following arguments against the device:

1. Concerns about back-pressure/resistance that could affect the feeling of "normal breathing"**.
2. Concerns that Exit/Dr. Nitschke perhaps have a compromised interest/profit motive in recommending the device***.
3. There's a strange "double payment" that needs to be made to ship the device****.

Personally, I have a lot of hope for this method, but what we're really missing is actual feedback/data on whether it works well. However, I do commend the developer for their work and for making important improvements.
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* I have a lot of respect for @Greenberg and their excellent Inert Gas Method blog. A lot of work was clearly put into that, for the genuine benefit of our community... Please be sure to visit it at:

The Authoritative Exit Bag Opus

nitrogenexit.blogspot.com

** However, in the PPeH's chapter, this is what it says about the previous version:

... there is an initial total volume in the closed system of ~ 10 liters, or about 2 liters of oxygen to be consumed before death. ... Triple flexible 2 cm hoses connect .... This provides unrestricted airflow, even on deep inspiration or expiration. Two hoses carry the expired ... the scrubber.

*** Unknown if that's true. In any case, the cost doesn't seem "outrageous" nor does it seem like a huge profit-making venture to me (e.g., no "repeat customers")... imho.

**** But the reason why MAKES SENSE and is clearly explained on the website... it seems to make the shipping more expensive, but I think is a clever solution to head-off potential legal problems.

Selling the R2D ReBreather will have its critics, and there will be efforts to interfere with sales and to prosecute ... we have chosen to implement certain safeguards. For example, we conduct our business entirely within a jurisdiction in which the sale of the Rebreather is perfectly legal. In addition, we do not participate in arranging shipment of the ReBreather to the customer following their purchase of the device. Once the sale is completed on this website, the buyer is vested with complete title to and ownership of the device. What happens to the device after that is determined by the buyer in coordination with the warehouse in which the device is stored. We provide a direct link to the warehouse shipping broker, RocketExpress, but a separate shipping order must be generated between the buyer and the shipper.

 

[profoundexperience]

What makes this better than the exit bag/mask method?

1. It's an "all-in-one-box" solution: I.e., unlike inert gas/"exit bag"... there's less 1) planning/research, 2) gathering-up various components... a gas cylinder being a possible challenge to obtain, and 3) assembly required. Some people are just naturally intimidated by hands-on work... and just want to pay for a "complete, known solution"... some people just don't have the technical skills/confidence to pull-off the inert gas method.
2. Inert gas (my method that I've already assembled) is nearly INSTANTANEOUS unconsciousness. Instead this method takes maybe 7-15 minutes (of steadily increasing sleepiness) before unconsciousness. After I already had my setup, I chatted with user @LetzteAusfahrt (famous post by him below)... and he persuasively argued that there were psychological/"spiritual"* advantages to having a bit more time in order to know/appreciate you're dying now. Hindsight is 20/20... but I do wish I had chosen a method that gave me a bit more time to "mindfully prepare" as I'm dying...
3. Inert gas method is very advantageous (over other methods) in that 1) There's no need to ingest a poison and experience "sickness" or "bad tastes" and 2) No explicit/overt "violence" is done to the body. It'd be REALLY GREAT to have a second solution/alternative that had those characteristics!

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/dont-be-afraid-of-death.47413/

* for lack of a better term.

 

[Wrennie]

Here is a reply I got from the people behind the R2d rebreather. I must say the response was very quick. I asked about shipping and obtaining a good airtight fit. I hope some of you find this helpful.

Just contact me directly regarding any aspect of the purchase and shipping. Regarding obtaining a good airtight fit--The three masks all have inflatable cushion seals around the perimeter, and I would be shocked if you couldn't achieve an airtight seal with one of the three masks. If you needed a larger mask than the largest provided, you could go online and find one (or just let me know and I'll do the research for you). The key to getting an airtight seal is finding the right size mask and tuning the cushion seal to the right degree of inflation. Once you prove to yourself that the seal is good (the User Instructions and the video cover this step), getting the chin and face mask straps to hold the mask firmly in place is only a matter of trial and error. Practice makes perfect in this case, and the new design of the ReBreather allows unlimited opportunity to practice. (Only when you've decided to use the device do you need to attach the canisters. That's a major improvement over the original design.) Best wishes,

So in this new version you can experiment with fitting the masks without worrying about spoiling the soda lime basically? If so then that is a definite design improvement.

 

[Lost Magic]

So in this new version you can experiment with fitting the masks without worrying about spoiling the soda lime basically? If so then that is a definite design improvement.

Yes exactly. I hope it gains momentum and works well as intended because it would ease a lot of suffering.

 

[job1315]

How did the device arrive to you? Had your name on it? Any labels?

 

[Lost Magic]

How did the device arrive to you? Had your name on it? Any labels?

I don't know. I haven't bought the device yet.

 

[carplad]

Doesn't the lack of ctb successes using this method bother you? It's still new territory.

What makes this better than the exit bag/mask method?

Think a lot of people like myself have purchased for future use

 

[Zombiegal]

I was told that when filling the masks don't over inflate so it confirms to the face

I got mine today but have not examined it yet. It replaces an exit bag and canister. And inert gas is the easiest and most pain free way to ctb per exit.

 

[Lost Magic]

I was told that when filling the masks don't over inflate so it confirms to the face

I got mine today but have not examined it yet. It replaces an exit bag and canister. And inert gas is the easiest and most pain free way to ctb per exit.

cool. Keep us all updated on how you feel effective it will be.

 

[Zombiegal]

I would not have bought it had I not thought it was effective. Clearly I won't know and haven't seen anything on Exit yet. But this is just an updated version of the bag. People were saying they thought the bag was ugly or weird although the mask is pretty weird looking too the way it's strapped to the head. If you have all the connections fitted and the mask fitted correctly then there is no reason this should not work.

Go to the website and download the instructions. Look for videos.

 

[NormaJeane]

There is also a chapter in the PPeH covering such devices, history & how they work (although, as of date not updated for this new version).

The previous version of this product won Exit's "NuTech award" for innovation.

And there are opponents with good arguments, including @Greenberg (search their posts for more info)*... I've heard the following arguments against the device:

1. Concerns about back-pressure/resistance that could affect the feeling of "normal breathing"**.
2. Concerns that Exit/Dr. Nitschke perhaps have a compromised interest/profit motive in recommending the device***.
3. There's a strange "double payment" that needs to be made to ship the device****.

Personally, I have a lot of hope for this method, but what we're really missing is actual feedback/data on whether it works well. However, I do commend the developer for their work and for making important improvements.
——
* I have a lot of respect for @Greenberg and their excellent Inert Gas Method blog. A lot of work was clearly put into that, for the genuine benefit of our community... Please be sure to visit it at:

The Authoritative Exit Bag Opus

nitrogenexit.blogspot.com

** However, in the PPeH's chapter, this is what it says about the previous version:

*** Unknown if that's true. In any case, the cost doesn't seem "outrageous" nor does it seem like a huge profit-making venture to me (e.g., no "repeat customers")... imho.

**** But the reason why MAKES SENSE and is clearly explained on the website... it seems to make the shipping more expensive, but I think is a clever solution to head-off potential legal problems.

Yes, perhaps Dr Philip Nitschke will sell more books when he writes about the R2D Rebreather II. And he does not have to die by the Rebreather himself, he has a better method - Sarco. How can anyone know it the device works if it has not been tested on humans? But Dr Philip Nitschke is a specialist and I want to trust him. I have read about the Rebreather in The Peaceful Pill Handbook 2020 and I believe it can work. For me this is the only sensible method. Think about people in prison, how can they kill themselves - only by hanging - a terrible method! But the worst with it is to use the Rebreather all alone and nobody can help - what happens if it fails? Nobody should die alone.

 

[Walilamdzii]

I'm getting more and more tempted by one of these but with no reports on them actually working I'm still a little too skeptical to place an order.

Same.