Question to those who overdosed on fentanyl or other opiates

[randal_bond]

Morning, all.

I am not suicidal and have a very strong survival instinct, regardless my circumstances. It's an instinct, after all. For that reason I can only consider CTB methods with the highest rating on "peacefulness". PPeH book cites opioids as 9/10-10/10 in terms of peacefulness. Exit bag is not an option for me for a number of reasons.
I have a few questions to those who overdosed on fentanyl or other opioids but were "saved".
1. Could you describe your experience before loss of consciousness in detail, i.e. was it really very peaceful and how it compared to falling asleep from a strong sedative? Did you experience any problems whatsoever with breathing, heart or any other weird or unpleasant symptoms?
2. Are there any fast tests during border control like there are for hard drugs? Or is the situation the same as with N (peaceful pill)?
3. If it's indeed such a peaceful and effective way to CTB, why there's more discussion of N on this forum? Isn't N more expensive and harder to obtain?

I never did drugs or used any of the above-mentioned. So, could you talk to me with patience and in simple terms, so that I could understand? Thank you to everybody who wants to help. I'll need a lot of help and will have a lot more questions as the time goes. For me it'll be a slow process, and I don't want to make any costly mistakes. Due to my illness I'm often quite hazy and very unwell.

For those who think that only suicidal people should CBT, remember Swiss clinics' clientele. They won't take people of no sound mind. Neither will they take those who have suicidal ideation and tendencies. I'm one of Dignitas candidats without the money to ever afford it. It seems that we imply different things when we talk about being suicidal. If it's an overwhelming obsessive desire/urge to end one's life that you can't fight, then I'm not suicidal (it would've made things so much easier). If it's a mental and emotional conclusion that it's a merciful way out life of profound disability and intense physical suffering for many years to come (which survival instinct/animal fear/panic can and does override when you try) then I am indeed suicidal.

 

[Hollowillow]

*sits by your side waiting for someone who knows*

Not suicidal? Why ctb? I'm ill too. What's yours? Mine is complicated. Basically allergic to life... exhausted with traumas. Humans are cruel.

 

[Smart No More]

Why do you want to ctb if not suicidal? Purely based on this comment I feel you're potentially in the wrong place. It's really concerning. BMaybe there's a typo or a communication error?

Opiates can effect people differently. Many vomit the first time they use them and it puts them off. Second time users often don't experience the vomiting again.

Regarding borders and customs there is indeed a very fast test they can and do use for Fentanyl and other opiates. Fentanyl (and other opiates) ARE hard drugs.

Fentanyl is not easy to get in it's pure form. Though it is commonly found in certain illict products they would require sourch in ways that either require technical efforts or contacts. Truth us, decent heroin is just as good if used in a high enough dose which isn't hard. However it would require using it intravenously. Where you live will play a significant part in availability of these kinds of drugs. Also N is officially used for euthenasia so that's why it's the go to substance but people do use opiates just as much IMHO. Opiates come with the potentially higher risk of failure though, due to being found and injected with an antidote which is commonly carried by medical services and addicts alike. That's not the case for N. Though treatment is available there's no instant antidote. Brain damage is a higg risk from ID on opiates and the antidote can save your life but leave you brain damaged and in need of full time care.

 

[Jimblue]

If you don't want to suicide, I guess you probably should not be here. Sounds like you have some illness and probably you don't think it's treatable? If you want to live, may be you should research if there is anything can help your condition before considering CTB.

 

[jodes2]

The PPeH suggests a crazy amount of morphine in its. 4 drug protocol, 10 grams! Plus the three other drugs. It was difficult to get together from 10mg capsules and it was bulky and expensive so I gave up half way and had a psychotic episode which interrupted it. But I'm sure it would have been very peaceful if it's anything like codeine

 

[👁️👃👁️]

I know that many people keep mentioning brain damage from opioid overdoses, there is a risk but I have been surrounded by junkies my whole life who have overdosed tons of different times and none of them were left with brain damage.

I have overdosed two or three times. I had already been using the substances prior to that happening so I already went through the vomiting. I overdosed on Dilaudid. The first time that I injected it I only vomited once and then I was fine afterwards. Heroin made me vomit back to back for around 2 and 1/2 to 3 hours it seemed like the first time that I did it. Whenever I overdosed on Dilaudid I actually snorted it because I didn't have any needles at the time it was very peaceful I felt very good and I just fell asleep. I don't even remember being aware that I'm not at all. I overdosed last year on heroin cut with fentanyl, someone else injected in into my arm & I nodded off before they even had a chance to take the needle out. It was very peaceful for me it felt really good and I just fell asleep. I happen to have three things of narcan in my backpack at the time so the people that I were with gave it to me while they were on the phone with the EMTs.

 

[randal_bond]

The PPeH suggests a crazy amount of morphine in its. 4 drug protocol, 10 grams! Plus the three other drugs. It was difficult to get together from 10mg capsules and it was bulky and expensive so I gave up half way and had a psychotic episode which interrupted it. But I'm sure it would have been very peaceful if it's anything like codeine

Are you a Spanish speaker by any chance? Your nickname does ring a bell ))) Is it really that hard to get more pure opioid stuff, whatever it is? Do you have an experience with codeine? If so, can I pm you? Not sure if I have enough posts but Probably do.

I know that many people keep mentioning brain damage from opioid overdoses, there is a risk but I have been surrounded by junkies my whole life who have overdosed tons of different times and none of them were left with brain damage.

I have overdosed two or three times. I had already been using the substances prior to that happening so I already went through the vomiting. I overdosed on Dilaudid. The first time that I injected it I only vomited once and then I was fine afterwards. Heroin made me vomit back to back for around 2 and 1/2 to 3 hours it seemed like the first time that I did it. Whenever I overdosed on Dilaudid I actually snorted it because I didn't have any needles at the time it was very peaceful I felt very good and I just fell asleep. I don't even remember being aware that I'm not at all. I overdosed last year on heroin cut with fentanyl, someone else injected in into my arm & I nodded off before they even had a chance to take the needle out. It was very peaceful for me it felt really good and I just fell asleep. I happen to have three things of narcan in my backpack at the time so the people that I were with gave it to me while they were on the phone with the EMTs.

Heroin with fentanyl sounds good. Not sure about Dilaudid, though. Did you use codeine at all?

I know that many people keep mentioning brain damage from opioid overdoses, there is a risk but I have been surrounded by junkies my whole life who have overdosed tons of different times and none of them were left with brain damage.

I have overdosed two or three times. I had already been using the substances prior to that happening so I already went through the vomiting. I overdosed on Dilaudid. The first time that I injected it I only vomited once and then I was fine afterwards. Heroin made me vomit back to back for around 2 and 1/2 to 3 hours it seemed like the first time that I did it. Whenever I overdosed on Dilaudid I actually snorted it because I didn't have any needles at the time it was very peaceful I felt very good and I just fell asleep. I don't even remember being aware that I'm not at all. I overdosed last year on heroin cut with fentanyl, someone else injected in into my arm & I nodded off before they even had a chance to take the needle out. It was very peaceful for me it felt really good and I just fell asleep. I happen to have three things of narcan in my backpack at the time so the people that I were with gave it to me while they were on the phone with the EMTs.

Heroin with fentanyl sounds good. Not sure about Dilaudid, though. Did you use codeine at all?

 

[jodes2]

I haven't ODd on codeine, just abused it quite a bit, but you're welcome to pm me. I'm not a Spanish speaker, no

 

[randal_bond]

Why do you want to ctb if not suicidal? Purely based on this comment I feel you're potentially in the wrong place. It's really concerning. BMaybe there's a typo or a communication error?

Opiates can effect people differently. Many vomit the first time they use them and it puts them off. Second time users often don't experience the vomiting again.

Regarding borders and customs there is indeed a very fast test they can and do use for Fentanyl and other opiates. Fentanyl (and other opiates) ARE hard drugs.

Fentanyl is not easy to get in it's pure form. Though it is commonly found in certain illict products they would require sourch in ways that either require technical efforts or contacts. Truth us, decent heroin is just as good if used in a high enough dose which isn't hard. However it would require using it intravenously. Where you live will play a significant part in availability of these kinds of drugs. Also N is officially used for euthenasia so that's why it's the go to substance but people do use opiates just as much IMHO. Opiates come with the potentially higher risk of failure though, due to being found and injected with an antidote which is commonly carried by medical services and addicts alike. That's not the case for N. Though treatment is available there's no instant antidote. Brain damage is a higg risk from ID on opiates and the antidote can save your life but leave you brain damaged and in need of full time care.

Thank you. It's been very helpful. I edited my OP to address you concerns. Also, I'm foggy and unwell (and have Asperger's) which may affect how I express myself. No, I'm not CTBing because of Asperger's, of course not. I consider it an asset, it made me highly successful in certain things before I got ill.

If you don't want to suicide, I guess you probably should not be here. Sounds like you have some illness and probably you don't think it's treatable? If you want to live, may be you should research if there is anything can help your condition before considering CTB.

No, don't want to live. Just don't have this uncontrollable urge to end my life like sometimes folk with mental illnesses do. I've edited my OP to clarify on this. I guess, the misunderstanding was due to a difference in interpretation of the term "suicidal". Thanks for your input. I tried all the modern cut progressive treatments for 15 years. I've exhausted it all and overtaxed my heart and other internal organs as a result of strong medicines. Don't even ask me how much money I spent. I would be able to afford Switzerland several times over if I had all this money. I put up a mighty fight and am very proud of myself. It's just not meant to be. I don't deserve many more years of intense misery and very little dignity as I'm severely disabled and depend on my dear carer for day-to-day life.