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The Final Solution

The Final Solution

Liberty is as close as your wrists.
Apr 5, 2022
37
At the risk of sounding alarmist and overzealous, I would like to strongly encourage everyone on this forum who does not already have their preferred exit resources on hand to acquire and store a small quantity of SN at a safe, hidden location (of course, if your current living situation allows it).

Despite the fussyness of the full method, with its antiemetics, antacids, beta-blockers and fasting, SN is becoming an increasingly popular method for a safe and painless suicide - it is effectively becoming the poor man's N due to its low price, availability and legality. The sheer volume of posts about it on this forum is proof of that. The powers that be - governments, corporations, moral zealots and pro-lifers in general - hate this. They want your heart beating and your lungs breathing under any circumstances that allow you to consume and pay taxes for another day. Keeping only the "scary", but effectively unregulatable options available (hanging, drowning, anything involving loss of blood or fires) is one of their many methods of forcing your hand into submission and keeping you existing, begrudgingly tolerating the woes of living under whatever conditions brought you to this cheery forum for just one more day.

The PPH describes SN as hard to regulate due to its widespread use across many industries, yet still warns of recent roadblocks being set up to hinder or discourage purchase by individuals in some first world countries - especially by "vulnerable" individuals (those with known mental health issues, disabilities, the elderly, etc.). The medical literature on the subject has also been steadily growing in the last 3 years, and I would not be surprised if in the near future the substance gets regulated into oblivion and goes the way of N. It has happened before and it will happen again. It's not at all unreasonable to speculate that, in a few years, purchasing it as a private customer could be unfeasible or terribly bureaucratic in most of the developed world. Again, this doesn't need to be an outright ban (like cyanide, etc.). They only need to make its purchase inconvenient enough to keep you on the grind for a few more months before reaching the breaking point and trying something else.

Some have argued that the very notion of this scenario actually happening is ridiculous, since it would effectively stop the public from curing meat. To that, I say: governments have done far worse and far stupider. Even worse, pro-lifers and a good chunk of the general public would enthusiastically support such a restriction and wonder why such a "dangerous chemical" has been so unregulated for all these years. They would also unironically ask why would any individual want to do something as outlandish as curing meat.

Therefore, I would like to encourage you all to keep a small - sealed - container of the stuff on hand, at room temperature, and away from prying eyes and hands. Remember: it oxidises into a nitrate when exposed to air, but otherwise has an indefinite shelf life. It could also poison you through the skin, so don't touch it.

Even if your current situation miraculously improves by the simultaneous death of all of those that wronged you or an unexpected win at the lotto, life's a fickle mistress and might just decide to bestow upon you the blessings of dementia, paralysis or ALS down the road - who knows? It's better to be prepared. Best case scenario, you lead a fulfilling life, never open the bottle and your grandkids will get to wonder if you were a moonlighting chemist when sorting through your stuff.

To the feds and politicians reading this and getting ideas - get fucked.
 
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pthnrdnojvsc

Extreme Pain is much worse than people know
Aug 12, 2019
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At the risk of sounding alarmist and overzealous, I would like to strongly encourage everyone on this forum who does not already have their preferred exit resources on hand to acquire and store a small quantity of SN at a safe, hidden location (of course, if your current living situation allows it).

Despite the fussyness of the full method, with its antiemetics, antacids, beta-blockers and fasting, SN is becoming an increasingly popular method for a safe and painless suicide - it is effectively becoming the poor man's N due to its low price, availability and legality. The sheer volume of posts about it on this forum is proof of that. The powers that be - governments, corporations, moral zealots and pro-lifers in general - hate this. They want your heart beating and your lungs breathing under any circumstances that allow you to consume and pay taxes for another day. Keeping only the "scary", but effectively unregulatable options available (hanging, drowning, anything involving loss of blood or fires) is one of their many methods of forcing your hand into submission and keeping you existing, begrudgingly tolerating the woes of living under whatever conditions brought you to this cheery forum for just one more day.

The PPH describes SN as hard to regulate due to its widespread use across many industries, yet still warns of recent roadblocks being set up to hinder or discourage purchase by individuals in some first world countries - especially by "vulnerable" individuals (those with known mental health issues, disabilities, the elderly, etc.). The medical literature on the subject has also been steadily growing in the last 3 years, and I would not be surprised if in the near future the substance gets regulated into oblivion and goes the way of N. It has happened before and it will happen again. It's not at all unreasonable to speculate that, in a few years, purchasing it as a private customer could be unfeasible or terribly bureaucratic in most of the developed world. Again, this doesn't need to be an outright ban (like cyanide, etc.). They only need to make its purchase inconvenient enough to keep you on the grind for a few more months before reaching the breaking point and trying something else.

Some have argued that the very notion of this scenario actually happening is ridiculous, since it would effectively stop the public from curing meat. To that, I say: governments have done far worse and far stupider. Even worse, pro-lifers and a good chunk of the general public would enthusiastically support such a restriction and wonder why such a "dangerous chemical" has been so unregulated for all these years. They would also unironically ask why would any individual want to do something as outlandish as curing meat.

Therefore, I would like to encourage you all to keep a small - sealed - container of the stuff on hand, at room temperature, and away from prying eyes and hands. Remember: it oxidises into a nitrate when exposed to air, but otherwise has an indefinite shelf life. It could also poison you through the skin, so don't touch it.

Even if your current situation miraculously improves by the simultaneous death of all of those that wronged you or an unexpected win at the lotto, life's a fickle mistress and might just decide to bestow upon you the blessings of dementia, paralysis or ALS down the road - who knows? It's better to be prepared. Best case scenario, you lead a fulfilling life, never open the bottle and your grandkids will get to wonder if you were a moonlighting chemist when sorting through your stuff.

To the feds and politicians reading this and getting ideas - get fucked.
All true words. And they want to ban SN because imo SN is the one, the ticket out of suffering and extreme torture. Also there are no permanent damages or at least i haven't seen any from an SN ctb attempt. Regardless of the many posts even here of the supposed brain damage. i have not seen them produce any real cases of brain damage, actuall evidence you know of people remaing alive but with brain damage after an SN ctb attempt.. I have seen here though many SN survivors who were found and rescued and lived but without any brain damage. so until they find that unicorn that real medical case of brain damage or that person hit by lighting SN will be the one for me , SN will always be the one for me anyway. There is a chance out of billions of winning the lottery so they say there is a chance of SN brain damage . they have no understanding of the law of probability. There is no chance of winning the lottery. so produce that case then
 
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Riddle

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All true words. And they want to ban SN because imo SN is the one, the ticket out of suffering and extreme torture. Also there are no permanent damages or at least i haven't seen any from an SN ctb attempt. Regardless of the many posts even here of the supposed brain damage. i have not seen them produce any real cases of brain damage, actuall evidence you know. I have seen here though many SN survivors who were found and rescued and lived but without any brain damaged. so until they find that unicorn that real medical case of brain damage or that person hit by lighting SN will be the one for me , SN will always be the one for me anyway.

What I gather is that a lot of methods share a similar risk of permanent consequences, eventually your heart or breathing stops and your brain stops getting oxygen. If you are rescued in that small time frame of after your brain stops getting oxygen but before the point you cannot be revived then you will have permanent brain damage. I don't think SN is any different in that regardd, however it doesn't seem to have neurotoxicity or destroy your liver or something so it definitely has that going for it.
 
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pthnrdnojvsc

Extreme Pain is much worse than people know
Aug 12, 2019
2,190
What I gather is that a lot of methods share a similar risk of permanent consequences, eventually your heart or breathing stops and your brain stops getting oxygen. If you are rescued in that small time frame of after your brain stops getting oxygen but before the point you cannot be revived then you will have permanent brain damage. I don't think SN is any different in that regardd, however it doesn't seem to have neurotoxicity or destroy your liver or something so it definitely has that going for it.
There is still no evidence no real cases of people remaining alive with brain damage from an SN ctb attempt or at least i haven't seen any.

One can say there is a chance of wining the lottery. But in reality if you understand the law of probability there is no chance of winning the lottery. You can buy 1000 tickets and play it every day and will not win. Data is what determines the probability .
 
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Freedomindeath4me

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Thank you. This should be stickied.
 
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quediuqueque

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Apr 4, 2022
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I assume you are talking mostly about the situation in the us and I think you are right.
At the same time I find it kind of funny given the fact of how easy it is to get a gun there.
 
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Lullaby

Lullaby

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Mar 9, 2022
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I remember in 2020, there was some on 'Bezos' site. It was authentic and fairly affordable, but there were tons of negatives reviews from people who were advocating for it to be taken down because their loved one had used it.

I recently went back on there and noticed it was gone. I was kinda kicking myself because I wish I had gotten it when it was so easy to snatch up like that.

I don't have any plans right now, but I've definitely been debating on buying it just in case like you said.
 
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sharky

Lost
Dec 15, 2021
282
Im glad I bought mine 2 weeks ago. It says exp date 2025 so I'm good for the time being
 
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Britvik

Britvik

Pro-choice
Mar 1, 2022
143
The shelf life is one of the reasons I prefer the inert gas and exit bag method. I don't think it involves much more effort than using SN, in terms of sourcing. It's also peaceful and reliable, assuming the person isn't interrupted.
 
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Riddle

Riddle

Student
Mar 25, 2022
124
There is still no evidence no real cases of people remaining alive with brain damage from an SN ctb attempt or at least i haven't seen any.

One can say there is a chance of wining the lottery. But in reality if you understand the law of probability there is no chance of winning the lottery. you can buy 1000 tickets and play it every day and will not win. Data is what determines the probability .

I am pretty sure I exist in reality and I have seen and heard of people winning the lottery. The probability may be extremely small but there is a chance nonetheless

This small probability is what keeps most people from attempting as the consequences could be devastating. A lot of people say if there was just an on/off button for us, they would have pushed already. Unfortunately its not that easy, and no method is risk free
 
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shrek34

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Sep 14, 2021
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I am pretty sure I exist in reality and I have seen and heard of people winning the lottery. The probability may be extremely small but there is a chance nonetheless

This small probability is what keeps most people from attempting as the consequences could be devastating. A lot of people say if there was just an on/off button for us, they would have pushed already. Unfortunately its not that easy, and no method is risk free
It's less dangerous than the likes of cutting, hanging or jumping which are the other main methods.

There's a chance that you'll get hit by a car and get life changing injuries when crossing the road. Does that mean you should be scared of crossing the road?

I can't find any documented cases of severe permanent damage from attempts with SN. If such cases were prevalent then it wouldn't be such a popular method.
 
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Riddle

Student
Mar 25, 2022
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It's less dangerous than the likes of cutting, hanging or jumping which are the other main methods.

There's a chance that you'll get hit by a car and get life changing injuries when crossing the road. Does that mean you should be scared of crossing the road?

I can't find any documented cases of severe permanent damage from attempts with SN. If such cases were prevalent then it wouldn't be such a popular method.
It means you should be cautious and look both ways at least. And you might not have a choice getting thrown off of a roller coaster due to an errant seat belt or getting hit by a car (rip WFT legend dwayne haskins), but you can choose your ctb method

Ultimately, I do agree that is the best and most available method by far and the risk is very low for permanent damage. However, I will give myself a comfortable timeframe before being found to further reduce the risk

Either way, thanks for the PSA
 
deathbydragon

deathbydragon

take me with you
Mar 17, 2022
189
Wanting to grab some ASAP is why I finally made an account and stopped lurking - I know with my luck, if I left it any longer it wouldn't be around any more.
 
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lyles

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Oct 13, 2021
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I specifically bought mine out of fear that it would become unavailable. My second bet would be a gun, but I would much rather go out a more peaceful route.
 
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Of The Universe

Of The Universe

Specialist
Dec 31, 2021
382
When I first started reading SS,there was an SN company called Loudwolf. Their sn had a very good reputation. I hesitated to buy it then,and LW subsequently stopped selling it!! 😮A lot of high quality sn has been taken away. I can see a time where there is hardly any sn for ctbers!
 
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Judy Garland

Judy Garland

HoHum
Mar 23, 2022
826
The Jungle's source from Turkey is gone now too. I was one of the last one to order. Hopefully I'm not being scammed. I do have a bottle of SN already, but I need a backup to rest my mind. I don't want my SN to go bad, and I've opened it once. BUT I resealed it (it has a childproof cap) then taped up the cap and top of the bottle with packing tape to really make sure it's sealed. Someone answer me this though, does a childproof cap seal what's inside?
 
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Shu

As above, So Below.
Jan 21, 2022
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The Jungle's source from Turkey is gone now too. I was one of the last one to order. Hopefully I'm not being scammed. I do have a bottle of SN already, but I need a backup to rest my mind. I don't want my SN to go bad, and I've opened it once. BUT I resealed it (it has a childproof cap) then taped up the cap and top of the bottle with packing tape to really make sure it's sealed. Someone answer me this though, does a childproof cap seal what's inside?
I haven't taken mine "dd" out of the bag yet that the bottle was placed in
 
Nolan96

Nolan96

Mage
Feb 12, 2022
506
I've still never been able to find a source for it in my country, especially since it's not allowed to post sources in the comments.
 
Judy Garland

Judy Garland

HoHum
Mar 23, 2022
826
I haven't taken mine "dd" out of the bag yet that the bottle was placed in
See I did because I wanted to see if there was a foil seal under the childproof cap, which there wasn't. Do you think I have anything to be worried about? I sealed it the best I could. If I were to use it in a about 3 months give or take, you think it'll still be good?
 
lostmylove

lostmylove

Specialist
Apr 1, 2022
304
I have exactly the same thoughts but with N. No idea when D is going to suddenly leave and think he's done enough business.

Would be terrible scrambling around for a new method because no safety net of n
 
13_reasons

13_reasons

Member
Mar 11, 2022
46
I have exactly the same thoughts but with N. No idea when D is going to suddenly leave and think he's done enough business.

Would be terrible scrambling around for a new method because no safety net of n
From what people are saying in another thread- it sounds like D is gone as well? I was working up the courage to go down the N rabbit hole and learn about crypto etc. not sure what to do now
The Jungle's source from Turkey is gone now too. I was one of the last one to order. Hopefully I'm not being scammed. I do have a bottle of SN already, but I need a backup to rest my mind. I don't want my SN to go bad, and I've opened it once. BUT I resealed it (it has a childproof cap) then taped up the cap and top of the bottle with packing tape to really make sure it's sealed. Someone answer me this though, does a childproof cap seal what's inside?
Oh no! I was planning to order a backup package of SN 😞
 
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Ednospatient

Arcanist
Sep 2, 2021
408
I'm scared my SN will go bad before I get to use it and I won't have a chance to buy more.
 
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The Final Solution

The Final Solution

Liberty is as close as your wrists.
Apr 5, 2022
37
I assume you are talking mostly about the situation in the us and I think you are right.
At the same time I find it kind of funny given the fact of how easy it is to get a gun there.
I wasn't! I believe this might be a worldwide trend if and when it happens. Are you talking about the recent Amazon fiasco?

And yes, it's kind of funny, but I can understand the sentiment. Not many people are willing to buy a shotgun and do themselves a Kurt Cobain, and lower caliber weapons might increase chances of botching the attempt.
The shelf life is one of the reasons I prefer the inert gas and exit bag method. I don't think it involves much more effort than using SN, in terms of sourcing. It's also peaceful and reliable, assuming the person isn't interrupted.
While sources for certain inert gases might not be so hard to find, they can be way more expensive than SN depending on where you live (YMMV). In some places it's almost impossible to acquire pure Helium anymore, but thankfully other options exist.

Also, your last sentence - "assuming the person isn't interrupted" - is a big reason some people tend to shy away from inert gases/CO poisoning. These restrict the brain's access to oxygen directly, and are much more likely to cause permanent brain damage if interrupted.
See I did because I wanted to see if there was a foil seal under the childproof cap, which there wasn't. Do you think I have anything to be worried about? I sealed it the best I could. If I were to use it in a about 3 months give or take, you think it'll still be good?
3 months in well shut container should be just fine. If you live in a particularly humid area you might consider putting the whole bottle inside a ziplock bag, but I think that's far from necessary.

Remember, these sorts of reagents are usually kept inside rusty cupboards in chemical labs, some being used way past their expiry date, and they more often than not retain their necessary properties for analytical purposes just fine. Also remember: the current dose specified by the PPH is a good bit above the known minimum fatal dose in humans, so a small loss in purity should not be the end of the world. If you're still concerned you can always regularly test your product with quick and dirty blood tests or do the full testing procedure as per the PPH (you'll have to buy distilled water and nitrite test strips).
I have exactly the same thoughts but with N. No idea when D is going to suddenly leave and think he's done enough business.

Would be terrible scrambling around for a new method because no safety net of n
If the rumours about the new edition of the PPH are true, then there's a global N shortage going on at this very moment. I personally don't plan on buying it (I would prefer to waste the money on other things before leaving), but it absolutely sucks for folks who wanted to buy it.


Finally, to answer all the worried comments about the possible permanent side effects of a failed SN attempt:

SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING
Attempting to Kill Yourself May Be Hazardous to Your Health.

Crazy, ain't it?

On a less facetious note, when it comes to failed attempt sequelae SN might as well be the safest option, statistically speaking, in its price/effort range. While other common methods can and have demonstrably caused irreparable damage in failed attempts, all we have for SN are some sporadic anedoctal accounts of lasting damage, with an overwhelming amount of full recoveries being reported.
 
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GongLiFang

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Aug 11, 2021
77
3 months in well shut container should be just fine. If you live in a particularly humid area you might consider putting the whole bottle inside a ziplock bag, but I think that's far from necessary.

Remember, these sorts of reagents are usually kept inside rusty cupboards in chemical labs, some being used way past their expiry date, and they more often than not retain their necessary properties for analytical purposes just fine. Also remember: the current dose specified by the PPH is a good bit above the known minimum fatal dose in humans, so a small loss in purity should not be the end of the world. If you're still concerned you can always regularly test your product with quick and dirty blood tests or do the full testing procedure as per the PPH (you'll have to buy distilled water and nitrite test strips).
First of all I think your initial post hit the nail on the head, I started lurking on this forum before I signed on last year, and just a year ago when I first read about this method I found labs all over the place selling this stuff and when I looked earlier this month...NOWHERE. I was so afraid I might have lost the chance, but luckily I had the fortune of finding a new place and bought it already. If I am able to receive it without any problems you bet I am buying an extra order just in case since my life literally depends on it.

Second, I hope to trust what you said here, because my orders have more than the Stan's guide doses and I want to separate at least one of my orders into separate containers so I can store/hide them in multiple places incase my attempt is unsuccessful and I need to try again. And to do that I obviously will need to briefly take the SN out of the bags. So I guess I got to get some vacuum seal containers? If you can't tell I am really nervous about this because I don't want to mess up this window of opportunity.

Lastly, were you able to get access to the PPH directly on their site or through SS? Because all the links on SS don't load or lead to sketchy download sites and I would like to at least read some relevant sections before I make my attempt.

Thanks for the post and all of your replies by the way!
 
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Xta4Love

Member
Dec 25, 2021
97
Are there any SN sources left that deliver to EU? If so, please pm me. Yesterday I wanted to jump in front of a train. That is how desperate I am.
 
The Final Solution

The Final Solution

Liberty is as close as your wrists.
Apr 5, 2022
37
First of all I think your initial post hit the nail on the head, I started lurking on this forum before I signed on last year, and just a year ago when I first read about this method I found labs all over the place selling this stuff and when I looked earlier this month...NOWHERE. I was so afraid I might have lost the chance, but luckily I had the fortune of finding a new place and bought it already. If I am able to receive it without any problems you bet I am buying an extra order just in case since my life literally depends on it.

Second, I hope to trust what you said here, because my orders have more than the Stan's guide doses and I want to separate at least one of my orders into separate containers so I can store/hide them in multiple places incase my attempt is unsuccessful and I need to try again. And to do that I obviously will need to briefly take the SN out of the bags. So I guess I got to get some vacuum seal containers? If you can't tell I am really nervous about this because I don't want to mess up this window of opportunity.

Lastly, were you able to get access to the PPH directly on their site or through SS? Because all the links on SS don't load or lead to sketchy download sites and I would like to at least read some relevant sections before I make my attempt.

Thanks for the post and all of your replies by the way!
While leaving it in the original, unopened container is theoretically the best possible option, splitting a large quantity is a very good idea. For that, I would personally buy airtight containers, ideally 50ml reagent bottles - those with screw caps might be better than glass stoppers for this purpose. Remember to do the transfer in a dry area - by this I mean don't do it in a sauna, in your bathroom after taking a shower or outside during rain, since you could trap the steam or water droplets inside the bottles (these examples are kinda ridiculous, but you get the idea). Also leave all the containers open for as little time as possible. Always remember to test the samples!

Also, if you bought more than one package I would recommend leaving one of them unopened and offsite as a backup. You could secretly rent a small locker from a self-storage company for this (check their rules to see if they allow the storage of chemical reagents).

Lastly, I got the PPH from @RainAndSadness's stickied thread. Nothing popped up on my browser, but if you're having trouble you could always try an adblock extension. I'm sure the file is also available on other resource/dowload threads on the forum.
 
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Imperia

Member
Apr 11, 2022
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I take this advice to heart, yet I'm having trouble to finding a source for SN.
Can someone point me in the right direction for a safe search?
PMs very much welcome!
Thanks!
 
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shrek34

Student
Sep 14, 2021
121
I take this advice to heart, yet I'm having trouble to finding a source for SN.
Can someone point me in the right direction for a safe search?
PMs very much welcome!
Thanks!
I would PM you the source but you don't have PMs enabled yet, you have to chat more for you to have access to it
 
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PrincessInWhite

PrincessInWhite

I just want to sell out my funeral
Feb 21, 2019
640
Got mine in 2019, never opened it and it's been kept in a dry and temperature controlled environment since then.
 
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Imperia

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I would PM you the source but you don't have PMs enabled yet, you have to chat more for you to have access to it
Ok, thanks anyway :-)
I'll come back to you later, if you don't mind!
 

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