Discussion Pro life shit we've probably heard before

[Ultimatefighter]

Because they don't fucking understand and think everyone thinks the same way they do and never see things from another person's perspective, especially if they're depressed or suicidal. And even if they did they'd probably say some bullshit to try and convince someone to keep suffering so THEY can feel better.

Relax there is still ways to find a relatively peacefull way out, we don't need any approval from people who can not understand. Do your research and make your own decision if you would feel like it is the choice you would like to make these people will never want and never will understand us even how hard we try to explain or push back

 

[pony No.2]

Relax there is still ways to find a relatively peacefull way out, we don't need any approval from people who can not understand. Do your research and make your own decision if you would feel like it is the choice you would like to make these people will never want and never will understand us even how hard we try to explain or push back

Its always the people who can't see life from another person's perspective always pushing their agenda. Nor do they understand how we feel and what we go through EVERY DAY.

 

[Ultimatefighter]

Its always the people who can't see life from another person's perspective always pushing their agenda. Nor do they understand how we feel and what we go through EVERY DAY.

They might one day see it from our perspective while battling for example a horrific disease or lost of future in life. Until then they are brainwashed and try to ridicule our beliefs. The world is a big show, you can see it crumbling, degenerate population only for views and like, no much real knowledge anymore, all with their head down looking at phones, bullying minoritys ect ect. The past has always repeated itself. They think we live in utopia where everything will stay the way it is until it all collapses and people running around like chicken don't know what to do. Because they kept themselfs busy with allot of bullshit instead of improving themself and exploiting others. All i can tell you is that one way or another people will always get what they have coming for them

 

[booplesnoot34]

They force us to live for their own convenience. They want us around so they aren't sad. It's not about us at all. It's about them and their own selfish desires. They'd rather we suffer for their own benefit than do what's best for us.

 

[kirillbledny]

My grandma once told me "you didn't give yourself life, so you can't take it." I just thought lol watch me.

If they can't fathom what I'm going through then they have absolutely no say in whether or not if I live and have no right to enforce their beliefs onto me if they can't see my perspective and what I've been through for years.

That's how I feel, too. To even seriously consider suicide one has to be in such a state of despair, and yet people will tell you you have to keep going to spare themselves feeling grief. They prefer you to suffer over them. If that's not selfish idk what is.

I've often asked people the question when it comes to me life - "how can it get better?" - give me one scenario, one reason to believe how it can possibly get better ? - they are always speechless and Lost for words.

They seem to think it's really simple, that antidepressants or therapy are like magic, hear the right words, eat the right chemicals and you'll be right again. As long as I'm depressed, my life won't get better, because I barely have energy to brush my teeth once a day, and "getting better" would require me suddenly caring about myself enough to get up, finish school, get a job... Idgaf, I don't want anything that's on the other side of that anyway.

I think it's important to understand that we are the defective ones. Most people find meaning in life and are happy. So they can't understand our suffering because it's alien to them. But that doesn't mean they're "wrong". They just don't understand. And that's okay.

I agree, but still find it a bit strange, because I'd never try to convince someone who's satisfied with life to become suicidal. Maybe it's just THAT incomprehensible to them to not want to live. When I talked with my aunt about it, she said she never even thinks of suicide as an option in a hard situation, that's crazy to me. Ever since I realised you can choose to die, it's been my plan A or B depending on the circumstances. So it's just an entirely different perspective.

 

[ctb_warrior]

"Your life has value!"
If it does, then why am I seen as not valuable when I'm depressed and can't get up to do anything, and then I lose my job because guess what, I'm not a valuable employee. If you're not a valuable employee then you get no money. What makes a person's life valuable if they have nothing they want to offer? What's valuable about being suicidal for years? And according to how everything costs money and how everything revolves around working, not really. If you can't work or find alternatives to making income, your life, according to how society operates, is not valuable.

"It gets better!"
Depending on several factors, no it probably won't. Learning to cope and live with your pain and trauma is not getting better, it's being compliant with what society wants you to do with your own life or else they'll lock you away until you're "sane". Also define better, being happy doesn't mean you're better, being healthy doesn't mean you're better neither. You can be unhealthy and happy, you can be healthy and not happy and be depressed. Forcing someone to live so they can get "better" is not a guarantee if they will get better. Loophole.

"You have to keep going!"
A person with free will doesn't have to do anything, whether or not if society likes it. Nobody is obligated to keep living regardless. And for what? To keep contributing to a world that doesn't like it when a person makes their own decisions?

"Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem!"
If someone's suicidal or depressed, and especially for years, chances are their problems aren't temporary. And lots of mental illnesses, physical disabilities, and neurodevelopmental disabilities, aren't temporary. Trauma, depending on the person and the type of trauma they received and how it's affected them, can be permanent. Temporary problems can also cause permanent problems, so that argument makes no sense.

A question I have for pro lifers is, why does society force traumatized, or extremely depressed individuals, to live while knowing they don't have any alternatives to offer those people that are guaranteed to make them, "better" or stop their suffering, when making the choice of commiting suicide is a much better option than staying and dealing with more problems they don't want to face, needlessly suffer and be depressed?

They care about the value of life and preserving it, not the individuals personal beliefs or struggles, and definitely not what they're going through. Because they think they can fix every. Single. Fucking. Thing. When they can't.
Living without choice is a life without a voice, that person is alive now that you stopped them, but now they have to face the problems and irreversible causes for their suicidal thoughts. Did you really save them at all? And save them from what? A life they don't want for valid reasons? You're not saving anyone, you're just preventing them from making a choice that'll guarantee no more suffering, unlike living.

The system created by the ones in power is designed to keep us slaves. They are not proLifers. They just act like one. The education system programs us for 15 years of our life to learn obedience and slavery, to dance to the tunes of the teachers so that we grow up as employees who work as slaves, pay heavy taxes and medical bills and cost of costly medicines that have tons of side effects, some will affect your liver, others will affect your kidney, and what not, so that we can finally grow old and die in a hospital bed paying hefty amount for the ICU beds.
They have taken away all our ways to CTB peacefully and some govt treat it as a crime. Assisted CTB is also a crime. Trust me those folks are not pro Lifers.
Psychiatric medicines can help us get better, but most psychiatrists are not skilled enough to prescribe the right medicines. And these medicines meddle with our neurochemistry due to which we can't ever be normal again and we end up paying for those medicines until we die.

If they were really ProLifers in the real sense, they would have given mental training to kids from the very beginning of school to be able to withstand pain and trauma. To eat healthy food so they can be healthy and have a good immune system. They would have given yoga training to build a good energy body to have a powerful aura. US defense discovered the power of mind in 1972 and achieved remote viewing. Imagine if kids are given this training to program the power of the subconscious mind, how invincible can be. They could have given life skills training to become confident and charismatic individuals who are productive in personal and professional life. They could have given the training to have money mindset to be able to earn lots of wealth even in uncertain times.
If they were ProLifers, they would have empowered us. But they are filthy liars.

 

[RadiantNumber]

Yours life has value, we need people vote, pay taxes, but don't dare to commit horrible crime, we will kill you, for justice of course

 

[NorthernSunset]

what I hate most is how people describe what we are going through a "temporary problem." Would those same people call cancer a temporary problem? How is any of my suffering temporary? You're tell me that I have been dealing with a temporary problem for about 70% of my life? Aren't these people just trying to invalidate our feelings?

Most people are hypocrites. They don't care about our experiences in life, but as soon as the topic touches upon death, they'll start playing the hero. It's laughable what pro-lifers come up with to prevent us from finding peace.

I truly hate that common platitude more than any other. They think they've caught onto some great truth, that will make all of us go "Oh, right! I never thought of that! I'll just wait for a bit and it will pass, I don't have to CTB!" but in reality, they just come across as extremely belittling and callous.

In late 2014, I was doing very poorly, and a woman a few years older than me (she was in her mid-late 20s) jumped from a bridge onto a highway near where I lived. A bridge I crossed every time I went to town. I never knew her name or face. Lots of people left candles and things at the site where she jumped. It made me furious. Strangers pretending to care that someone was dead, but I bet if they saw her despairing, as I have done in public, they would just keep walking. As they have done with me. At least 95% of people see someone in distress, and they just keep walking, or offer a platitude and move on.

Then when it's too much and that person is gone, they say "suicide is selfish" and "there's always another way". Tired of this.

 

[ZwartHartje]

Yeah right, as for the "temporary problem" - I guess I probably should just wait another while until my loved ones get resurrected, maybe they've been only temporarily murdered...

 

[lastappleonearth]

I mean, idk, I sure hope it gets better, because if not, then I don't know what to do. I can't continue like this forever, it's painful