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illAF

Experienced
Jun 19, 2023
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So. I'm not planning to ctb immediatly but I want my plan to be ready whenever I need it.

I read Stan's Guide but I really have difficulties to concentrate so I could'nt read all the thread... Also, I don't have the same medicine used in the thread. So I'm not sure of the dosages... If you could help me with that, I would be greatly greatful...

I decided to go with the 8 hour regimen described in the PPh 2023. Here it is :




16:00 : Start Fasting.

22:00 : Stop drinking.

23:00 : 1000 mg paracetamol (or 800 mg Ibuprofen ?)

23:20 : 3 X 10 mg domperidon


- crushing 10 X 2.5 mg Lorazepam then mix it with water (I don't know yet how I will be able to crush them...)

- Dissolve 25 mg of SN in 50-100 ml of Water


00:00 :

- Drink SN

- Drink Lorazepam






So, my questions are :

- Are the medications OK ? As it's not the same as in the thrread, I'm not sure about the dosages

- Is an 8 hour regimen really enough ? Do I have more chance to succeed with a 24 hour regimen ?

- I'm a bit sceptical about drinking the benzos AFTER drinking the SN. I mean, I need them to work BEFORE the effects of SN...



A HUGE thank you in advance to whomever could help me ! 🙏
 
strangelife

strangelife

Specialist
Feb 16, 2024
368
I think it's ok, but 24 hour regime is better
 
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strangelife

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Feb 16, 2024
368
Thank you for your answer ! Are you only talking about the duration of the regimen or also approving the meds ?
Meds are common, the same I am planning to take. you can read
Useful info
 
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illAF

Experienced
Jun 19, 2023
270
Meds are common, the same I am planning to take. you can read
Useful info
Thanks. I have troubles reading it entirely (lack of concentration) and understanding everything (not english speaking). But I'll have another try on a better day.
 
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rozeske

Maybe I am the problem
Dec 2, 2023
2,532
I wish you all the best in your plans. Ibuprofen is suggested 600mg, don't know much about the rest of the medications. regarding the fasting if you could do it, the more the better but as i understand it it's all about how fast your metabolism is and how fast you feel your stomach empty after eating. There are members like dani who fasted for only 8hrs and succeeded so....
 
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roku6

roku6

Student
Jan 23, 2024
110
I am also curious about when to take benzos. They take some time (15min?) to act and such a big dose can knock you out.
When I tried 2mg of alprazolam it knocked me out without any presign, but I was in bed, idk if you would faint while standing when using large dose.
 
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illAF

Experienced
Jun 19, 2023
270
I am also curious about when to take benzos. They take some time (15min?) to act and such a big dose can knock you out.
When I tried 2mg of alprazolam it knocked me out without any presign, but I was in bed, idk if you would faint while standing when using large dose.
Well, I take benzos every day so i think it would take a little more time to knock me out... That's why I don't know if I should take them a bit earlier in the process...
I wish you all the best in your plans. Ibuprofen is suggested 600mg, don't know much about the rest of the medications. regarding the fasting if you could do it, the more the better but as i understand it it's all about how fast your metabolism is and how fast you feel your stomach empty after eating. There are members like dani who fasted for only 8hrs and succeeded so....
Thanks. I only have 400mg pills of ibuprofen (I don't think we have 300mg in my country) that's why I was planning 800. I guess it does not make a big difference. But I also can take 1000mg paracetamol 🙎‍♀️
 
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rozeske

Maybe I am the problem
Dec 2, 2023
2,532
Thanks. I only have 400mg pills of ibuprofen (I don't think we have 300mg in my country) that's why I was planning 800. I guess it does not make a big difference. But I also can take 1000mg paracetamol 🙎‍♀️
We also only have 500mg ibuprofen so I guess I will be forced to take paracetamol unless I break it in half or something :) but ibuprofen works better for me....idk
 
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strangelife

strangelife

Specialist
Feb 16, 2024
368
Thanks. I only have 400mg pills of ibuprofen (I don't think we have 300mg in my country) that's why I was planning 800. I guess it does not make a big difference. But I also can take 1000mg paracetamol 🙎‍♀️
I think ibuprofen 800 is even better then 600
 
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roku6

roku6

Student
Jan 23, 2024
110
I am not even sure how much otc painkiller helps. The serious side effects are shortness of breath and racing heart which makes you panic and terrified.

Well, I take benzos every day so i think it would take a little more time to knock me out... That's why I don't know if I should take them a bit earlier in the process...

Thanks. I only have 400mg pills of ibuprofen (I don't think we have 300mg in my country) that's why I was planning 800. I guess it does not make a big difference. But I also can take 1000mg paracetamol 🙎‍♀️
It's the dosage what matters if you built tolerance. Do you know how much can knock you out (eg make you 1-2h sleep asap)?
 
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illAF

Experienced
Jun 19, 2023
270
I am not even sure how much otc painkiller helps. The serious side effects are shortness of breath and racing heart which makes you panic and terrified.


It's the dosage what matters if you built tolerance. Do you know how much can knock you out (eg make you 1-2h sleep asap)?
Well, I don't know. But a lot I think. As i take 2.5 mg every morning and i just don't feel anything... i am a bit afraid to try to see how many would knock me out, as it could sound like a ctb try for the people I live with... I don't want to end up in a ward for the fifteen time.

I also have Quetiapine. Which is not a benzo. But I take it to sleep. I know that 50 mg knocks me out in like 40-50 min...

I really don't know what to do...
 
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illAF

Experienced
Jun 19, 2023
270
I have Benzos, but only Diazepam, is that ok?
I think Diazepam is quoted in the SN bible thread so i guess it is good. (Whereas Lorazepam, the ones i have, are not... So for me i don't know)
 
Charcoal

Charcoal

Member
Mar 11, 2024
66
I am small stature and weigh 45 kg.
Do I need to take less of the antiemetics and benzos or the same amount?
 
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illAF

Experienced
Jun 19, 2023
270
I am small stature and weigh 45 kg.
Do I need to take less of the antiemetics and benzos or the same amount?
I really am not the good person to answer you. I am trying myself to understand the method properly... And I don't want to give you an answer without being certain it is the right answer. Sorry. You should try to create your proper thread to ask these questions, and I hope people with more knowledge than me will answer you 🙏
 
dodo11

dodo11

Member
Jan 27, 2024
23
So. I'm not planning to ctb immediatly but I want my plan to be ready whenever I need it.

I read Stan's Guide but I really have difficulties to concentrate so I could'nt read all the thread... Also, I don't have the same medicine used in the thread. So I'm not sure of the dosages... If you could help me with that, I would be greatly greatful...

I decided to go with the 8 hour regimen described in the PPh 2023. Here it is :




16:00 : Start Fasting.

22:00 : Stop drinking.

23:00 : 1000 mg paracetamol (or 800 mg Ibuprofen ?)

23:20 : 3 X 10 mg domperidon


- crushing 10 X 2.5 mg Lorazepam then mix it with water (I don't know yet how I will be able to crush them...)

- Dissolve 25 mg of SN in 50-100 ml of Water


00:00 :


- Drink SN

- Drink Lorazepam





So, my questions are :

- Are the medications OK ? As it's not the same as in the thrread, I'm not sure about the dosages

- Is an 8 hour regimen really enough ? Do I have more chance to succeed with a 24 hour regimen ?

- I'm a bit sceptical about drinking the benzos AFTER drinking the SN. I mean, I need them to work BEFORE the effects of SN...



A HUGE thank you in advance to whomever could help me

So. I'm not planning to ctb immediatly but I want my plan to be ready whenever I need it.

I read Stan's Guide but I really have difficulties to concentrate so I could'nt read all the thread... Also, I don't have the same medicine used in the thread. So I'm not sure of the dosages... If you could help me with that, I would be greatly greatful...

I decided to go with the 8 hour regimen described in the PPh 2023. Here it is :




16:00 : Start Fasting.

22:00 : Stop drinking.

23:00 : 1000 mg paracetamol (or 800 mg Ibuprofen ?)

23:20 : 3 X 10 mg domperidon


- crushing 10 X 2.5 mg Lorazepam then mix it with water (I don't know yet how I will be able to crush them...)

- Dissolve 25 mg of SN in 50-100 ml of Water


00:00 :


- Drink SN

- Drink Lorazepam





So, my questions are :

- Are the medications OK ? As it's not the same as in the thrread, I'm not sure about the dosages

- Is an 8 hour regimen really enough ? Do I have more chance to succeed with a 24 hour regimen ?

- I'm a bit sceptical about drinking the benzos AFTER drinking the SN. I mean, I need them to work BEFORE the effects of SN...



A HUGE thank you in advance to whomever could help me ! 🙏
I'm not an expert, this is just my educated guess. I think the reason for taking benzos after SN is because you have a high chance of vomiting. You wouldn't want to vomit all of your benzos. I think Benzos take about 15 minutes to kick in. Because you have fasted, I think the benzos may kick in faster than normal.
 
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illAF

Experienced
Jun 19, 2023
270
Do benzos cancel out the anemetic?
Antiemetics are there to try not to vomit the SN.
Benzos are there to calm you down (cause after having drink the SN, you will experience symptoms that could make you panic a bit).

You could do without all the medications but if you have them, things are way easier.
 
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Birdola

Member
Dec 14, 2023
30
Is Alazopram not a good one to use also? I heard it calms you more quickly
It's my understanding that Diazepam is the #1 recommended to take for this, but Alazopram should be fine also.
 
xmissellax

xmissellax

Need My Peace
Feb 25, 2024
113
It's my understanding that Diazepam is the #1 recommended to take for this, but Alazopram should be fine also.
Oh interesting! Never taken Diaz before. Was thinking about 50-80mg? Half an hour or an hour before is better?
 
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Birdola

Member
Dec 14, 2023
30
I'm not an expert, this is just my educated guess. I think the reason for taking benzos after SN is because you have a high chance of vomiting. You wouldn't want to vomit all of your benzos. I think Benzos take about 15 minutes to kick in. Because you have fasted, I think the benzos may kick in faster than normal.
Do you have more than 25mg of
So. I'm not planning to ctb immediatly but I want my plan to be ready whenever I need it.

I read Stan's Guide but I really have difficulties to concentrate so I could'nt read all the thread... Also, I don't have the same medicine used in the thread. So I'm not sure of the dosages... If you could help me with that, I would be greatly greatful...

I decided to go with the 8 hour regimen described in the PPh 2023. Here it is :




16:00 : Start Fasting.

22:00 : Stop drinking.

23:00 : 1000 mg paracetamol (or 800 mg Ibuprofen ?)

23:20 : 3 X 10 mg domperidon


- crushing 10 X 2.5 mg Lorazepam then mix it with water (I don't know yet how I will be able to crush them...)

- Dissolve 25 mg of SN in 50-100 ml of Water


00:00 :


- Drink SN

- Drink Lorazepam





So, my questions are :

- Are the medications OK ? As it's not the same as in the thrread, I'm not sure about the dosages

- Is an 8 hour regimen really enough ? Do I have more chance to succeed with a 24 hour regimen ?

- I'm a bit sceptical about drinking the benzos AFTER drinking the SN. I mean, I need them to work BEFORE the effects of SN...



A HUGE thank you in advance to whomever could help me ! 🙏
Do you have more Benzos besides the 25mg of Lorazepam? I'm going to be using 500mg of Diazepam. You have the order correct. Take the sedation med(s) AFTER you drink the SN. Some failures have resulted from the person falling asleep before getting the SN drink down. Also, Dr. Nitschke says the 8 hour is as good as the 24 hour regime.
 
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