Help Phenobarbitone od real method?

[sickofeverything]

Does anyone know if Phenobarbitone od is a non method? If it is a real method how much you need to take and what the process looks like while you die compared to sn with timelines, etc. I tried searching an only found articles about failed attempts when someone found them and saved them with charcoal in a hospital

 

[Nolongerlive]

It depends on how you look at it.

As phenobarbital (tone) takes a long time to achieve the CTB, the chance of being discovered and saved is very high.
As such, many considered this as unreliable or non method.

The merit of this method is that, it is easier to obtain compared to N or SN even though it is prescription drug.

Does anyone know if Phenobarbitone od is a non method? If it is a real method how much you need to take and what the process looks like while you die compared to sn with timelines, etc. I tried searching an only found articles about failed attempts when someone found them and saved them with charcoal in a hospital

 

[sickofeverything]

It depends on how you look at it.

As phenobarbital (tone) takes a long time to achieve the CTB, the chance of being discovered and saved is very high.
As such, many considered this as unreliable or non method.

The merit of this method is that, it is easier to obtain compared to N or SN even though it is prescription drug.

I live alone so no one would find or save me unless I schedule a message too early, the only issue I see is not taking enough to achieve the goal and just getting sick, also I can't find a timeline or how it works. They say sn takes 40 minutes to be gone and I heard phenobarbital takes 12-14 hours but is it painful and vomiting like sn or is it easy and unconscious for those 12 hours because then it would be perfect if I take it and knock out and feel nothing

 

[Nolongerlive]

I live alone so no one would find or save me unless I schedule a message too early, the only issue I see is not taking enough to achieve the goal and just getting sick, also I can't find a timeline or how it works. They say sn takes 40 minutes to be gone and I heard phenobarbital takes 12-14 hours but is it painful and vomiting like sn or is it easy and unconscious for those 12 hours because then it would be perfect if I take it and knock out and feel nothing

As phenobarbital has the same working mechanism as N, likely it will knock you rather than vomit/nausea.

As for the time to pass out, no one really knows for sure. My guess is within 1 hr , maybe you should add in some alcoholic to enhance the effect.

You have to give like at least 12 hours alone to achieve your goal.

BTW, if you have reliable source, please dm me.

 

[sickofeverything]

As phenobarbital has the same working mechanism as N, likely it will knock you rather than vomit/nausea.

As for the time to pass out, no one really knows for sure. My guess is within 1 hr , maybe you should add in some alcoholic to enhance the effect.

You have to give like at least 12 hours alone to achieve your goal.

BTW, if you have reliable source, please dm me.

Do you have any idea how much you need to take to pass out? Honestly I was googling and found pet medicine online since I wasn't sure if it works, how much I didn't look further. If it works painlessly I absolutely will look into it and try ordering it

 

[Nolongerlive]

Do you have any idea how much you need to take to pass out? Honestly I was googling and found pet medicine online since I wasn't sure if it works, how much I didn't look further. If it works painlessly I absolutely will look into it and try ordering it

No idea tbh. you can search through this forum.

Not sure you aware, even it is a pet medicine, you will still need a prescription to order it.

 

[sickofeverything]

No idea tbh. you can search through this forum.

Not sure you aware, even it is a pet medicine, you will still need a prescription to order it.

Oh I was unaware, I was really hoping I could just order it online easily as that seemed like the best pain free way to go, that really sucks

 

[Nolongerlive]

Oh I was unaware, I was really hoping I could just order it online easily as that seemed like the best pain free way to go, that really sucks

Yeah, that really sucks when i realised that too. You have to ask around , maybe some places don't care about the regulation so much they will sell it to you. However, online maybe be difficult.

 

[sickofeverything]

Yeah, that really sucks when i realised that too. You have to ask around , maybe some places don't care about the regulation so much they will sell it to you. However, online maybe be difficult.

It's so strange how some things are readily available online and others aren't, I found raw aconite online pretty easily and that's also said to be poisonous and deadly but apparently we can't get this online when it should be more peaceful? It's just sad I got really excited when I heard that this one was peaceful :/

 

[Nolongerlive]

It's so strange how some things are readily available online and others aren't, I found raw aconite online pretty easily and that's also said to be poisonous and deadly but apparently we can't get this online when it should be more peaceful? It's just sad I got really excited when I heard that this one was peaceful :/

The regulation is there exactly because it can make you ctb peacefully easily. Anyway, still better than N. If you search hard enough , quite possible you can get what you want.

 

[sickofeverything]

The regulation is there exactly because it can make you ctb peacefully easily. Anyway, still better than N. If you search hard enough , quite possible you can get what you want.

It just doesn't make sense because when there's a will, there's a way so the people who really want to will always find a way and if you take away their peaceful option, it won't deter them. It will just make them more desperate and end up relying on the painful option. If governments and companies take away the peaceful and easy options, that's when teenagers end up, shooting themselves in their school, which happened recently or jumping in front of trains, just sad. I don't know if I'm bad at searching, but every place I found required vet information which I don't have sadly

 

[Ardis]

On this subject, I have a very old supply of phenobarbital that I got back 2009 from D when he was around. I intended to use them at the time, but never did. They have been storesdin the original glass containers and a dry cool place. I have been to nervous to use them now as they are 17 years old. I now medications can last a very long time past expiration, but still that's very very old. I have a letal dose. Does anyone think they are still potent enough, and would it do the trick? Would anyone feel comfortable taking that chance?

 

[Nolongerlive]

On this subject, I have a very old supply of phenobarbital that I got back 2009 from D when he was around. I intended to use them at the time, but never did. They have been storesdin the original glass containers and a dry cool place. I have been to nervous to use them now as they are 17 years old. I now medications can last a very long time past expiration, but still that's very very old. I have a letal dose. Does anyone think they are still potent enough, and would it do the trick? Would anyone feel comfortable taking that chance?

Not sure it is pill form or liquid . You can test it out by taking one pill , or a small portion of liquid to see whether it still retains its potency.

 

[urgent]

On this subject, I have a very old supply of phenobarbital that I got back 2009 from D when he was around. I intended to use them at the time, but never did. They have been storesdin the original glass containers and a dry cool place. I have been to nervous to use them now as they are 17 years old. I now medications can last a very long time past expiration, but still that's very very old. I have a letal dose. Does anyone think they are still potent enough, and would it do the trick? Would anyone feel comfortable taking that chance?

What form? How much do you have?

 

[Ardis]

Let me clarify. First, I was wrong it is pentobarbital not pheno. I have 2 large bottles of the liquid vetinary supply that I got from D around 2012. I looked at it the other day and it was clear and has been stored in a dry cool place since the day I got it. I tested the other day by putting a syringe into the bottle, and added it to a little bit of water. It was definitely still potent as it brougt on an immediate sensation of calm. It had a very slight bitter taste. My concern is since it is so old, would anyone feel comfortable relying on this alone to ctb? Or, would you not risk it due to it's age and maybe not finishing the job. I did some reading on it, and the degradion is very very slow. It can last many years beyond expiration. However, this is serious stuff, and no one wants a botched attempt. The thing is you can no longer get this stuff, so I am in a bit of a predicement. All advice is welcome. Thank you.
I will also ask if anyone knows where I can obtain a testing kit to test potency? I was going to email exit, but I don't think they will want to provide an answer.

 

[intr0verse]

Let me clarify. First, I was wrong it is pentobarbital not pheno. I have 2 large bottles of the liquid vetinary supply that I got from D around 2012. I looked at it the other day and it was clear and has been stored in a dry cool place since the day I got it. I tested the other day by putting a syringe into the bottle, and added it to a little bit of water. It was definitely still potent as it brougt on an immediate sensation of calm. It had a very slight bitter taste. My concern is since it is so old, would anyone feel comfortable relying on this alone to ctb? Or, would you not risk it due to it's age and maybe not finishing the job. I did some reading on it, and the degradion is very very slow. It can last many years beyond expiration. However, this is serious stuff, and no one wants a botched attempt. The thing is you can no longer get this stuff, so I am in a bit of a predicement. All advice is welcome. Thank you.
I will also ask if anyone knows where I can obtain a testing kit to test potency? I was going to email exit, but I don't think they will want to provide an answer.

The test kits are only qualitative, meaning they will only tell you if it's a barbiturate or not, but since you bought it from D, you can be sure it's N as D used to be very reliable back in the days. The only way to check it's purity is to send a small sample to a lab (for example Energy Control in Spain).
If the liquid is clear and there is no precipitate at the bottom of the bottle, it's most likely fine. (although i know a member here whose N had precipitate in it and still did its job).
How many ml did you test? If i remember correctly, the liquid from D was supposed to be 63mg/ml so arround 3 ml should be a bit more than a therapeutic dose, which, should make you fall asleep.

 

[Ardis]

Thank you very much for your answer and help. Honestly, I am not sure how much, it was a small syringe as I did not want to waste it. I will try to measure 3 ml and see if I fall asleep. This is the only supply I have, so I am hestitant to use too much up. I really would like to try to ctb in the next few months. I know it is pure, I am really looking to determine potency, any thoughts? Also, more comments are welcome as to whether or not anyone on here would feel comfortable that this is enough supply considering it's age to ctb?

 

[intr0verse]

Thank you very much for your answer and help. Honestly, I am not sure how much, it was a small syringe as I did not want to waste it. I will try to measure 3 ml and see if I fall asleep. This is the only supply I have, so I am hestitant to use too much up. I really would like to try to ctb in the next few months. I know it is pure, I am really looking to determine potency, any thoughts? Also, more comments are welcome as to whether or not anyone on here would feel comfortable that this is enough supply considering it's age to ctb?

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[autonecrotic]

dumb question but how do you even get your hands on phenobarbital?

 

[Talvikki]

The test kits are only qualitative, meaning they will only tell you if it's a barbiturate or not, but since you bought it from D, you can be sure it's N as D used to be very reliable back in the days. The only way to check it's purity is to send a small sample to a lab (for example Energy Control in Spain).
If the liquid is clear and there is no precipitate at the bottom of the bottle, it's most likely fine. (although i know a member here whose N had precipitate in it and still did its job).
How many ml did you test? If i remember correctly, the liquid from D was supposed to be 63mg/ml so arround 3 ml should be a bit more than a therapeutic dose, which, should make you fall asleep.

I noticed on the EC lab's web page that the lab is experiencing equipment problems with quantitative analysis (purity testing) of samples.

Qualitative analysis (substance identification), determining which substances are present in a sample, continues to operate as normal.

 

[adamantc]

dumb question but how do you even get your hands on phenobarbital?

Barbiturate drugs are still used for many purposes. Although they have been replaced in human painkiller use by benzodiapines and in anaesthetic use by other chemicals such as propofol, they are still used by vets to euthanise animals in certain areas in the world. In the 2010s worldwide production slowed considerably as the US government was using these drugs for capital punishment, which pharmaceutical companies did not want.

However, they are still in limited production, and where there is a supply, illicit methods to obtain them exist. They are however controlled drugs in many countries and carry a criminal penalty for improper use or possession.

 

[Aflame5926]

They are however controlled drugs in many countries and carry a criminal penalty for improper use or possession.

imagine if that was a death penalty and not a criminal one

 

[adamantc]

imagine if that was a death penalty and not a criminal one

It is in some circumstances. The death penalty is given for trafficking of drugs including presumably barbiturates. People have been executed for (unintentionally and sometimes unwillingly) acting as mediums for cross-country drug trafficking. These drugs are not barbiturates, but are similarly categorized criminally. Addicts usually don't want to die of overdose, and barbiturates have quite a strong reputation for their usage as agents of suicide. As such, there is little street demand for them, and not many people want to risk their lives trafficking them.

 

[Ardis]

Thanks to all of you for your help. I saw that same notice on EC lab's website. I also did a search and there is a bit of concern of contamination since its so old. I has not been open, but did puncture with syringe. I think the only way for me to feel comfortable taking such an old supply is to send it to that lab when there equipment is back up and running. I think I am going to email them about this. To answer the other poster's question, N is almost impossible to find anywhere. It is heavily controlled and regulated. Governments are more humane to animals then they are human beings. Any Veterinarian in the US can get N to euthanize and animal when they are sick. It's pathetic. Here is some more information for all of you on N. And also does anyone think there is a chance this website that "claims they sell it" legit?

The shelf life of Nembutal (pentobarbital) depends heavily on its formulation, storage conditions, and whether it has been opened or diluted.

• Manufactured Liquid/Injectable: Typically 2 to 3 years from the date of manufacture when stored properly.
• Powder/Salt Form: The dry powder is extremely stable and can last for decades if kept in a tightly sealed container in a cool, dry place.
• Compounded or Diluted Solutions: Custom-mixed solutions are significantly less stable, with efficacy and safety often guaranteed for only 30 days to a few months.

Important Safety Considerations

• Storage: To prevent degradation, pentobarbital must be kept in a tightly closed container, away from direct light, and stored at controlled room temperature or refrigerated, depending on the specific product guidelines.
• Contamination: Once a liquid vial is punctured or a solution is prepared, it is highly susceptible to bacterial contamination. Most protocols recommend discarding opened or constituted vials after 28 to 30 days.
• Degradation: Expired Nembutal may lose its potency, becoming dangerously unpredictable. Do not use if the solution is cloudy, discolored, or contains sediment

Website

Homepage

Buy Nembutal online from Europe's most trusted supplier. Pharmaceutical-grade powder, oral liquid & pills with discreet shipping.

barbituratenembutal.com

 

[intr0verse]

Thanks to all of you for your help. I saw that same notice on EC lab's website. I also did a search and there is a bit of concern of contamination since its so old. I has not been open, but did puncture with syringe. I think the only way for me to feel comfortable taking such an old supply is to send it to that lab when there equipment is back up and running. I think I am going to email them about this. To answer the other poster's question, N is almost impossible to find anywhere. It is heavily controlled and regulated. Governments are more humane to animals then they are human beings. Any Veterinarian in the US can get N to euthanize and animal when they are sick. It's pathetic. Here is some more information for all of you on N. And also does anyone think there is a chance this website that "claims they sell it" legit?

The shelf life of Nembutal (pentobarbital) depends heavily on its formulation, storage conditions, and whether it has been opened or diluted.

• Manufactured Liquid/Injectable: Typically 2 to 3 years from the date of manufacture when stored properly.
• Powder/Salt Form: The dry powder is extremely stable and can last for decades if kept in a tightly sealed container in a cool, dry place.
• Compounded or Diluted Solutions: Custom-mixed solutions are significantly less stable, with efficacy and safety often guaranteed for only 30 days to a few months.

Important Safety Considerations

• Storage: To prevent degradation, pentobarbital must be kept in a tightly closed container, away from direct light, and stored at controlled room temperature or refrigerated, depending on the specific product guidelines.
• Contamination: Once a liquid vial is punctured or a solution is prepared, it is highly susceptible to bacterial contamination. Most protocols recommend discarding opened or constituted vials after 28 to 30 days.
• Degradation: Expired Nembutal may lose its potency, becoming dangerously unpredictable. Do not use if the solution is cloudy, discolored, or contains sediment

Website

Homepage

Buy Nembutal online from Europe's most trusted supplier. Pharmaceutical-grade powder, oral liquid & pills with discreet shipping.

barbituratenembutal.com

That website is a scam.

 

[Fadenself00_]

That website is a scam.

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[Talvikki]

I noticed on the EC lab's web page that the lab is experiencing equipment problems with quantitative analysis (purity testing) of samples.

Qualitative analysis (substance identification), determining which substances are present in a sample, continues to operate as normal.

I heard that the problems with the test equipment at EC have been fixed.

 

[Fadenself00_]

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[Please always use a VPN or TOR when clicking on weird websites, also goes for the real scam website I replied to]

 

[Ardis]

I heard that the problems with the test equipment at EC have been fixed.

This is the message as of today on their website regarding the testing equipment. Does this mean they can't test N for purity and potency?

IMPORTANT NOTICE REGARDING THE ANALYSIS SERVICE !!!!

We are currently experiencing a technical issue with one of our analytical instruments. For this reason, we are temporarily only able to measure the percentage of purity (quantitative analysis, i.e. determining the concentration) of the following substances, provided they are not mixed with others:

Submitting a sample - International Energy Control

energycontrol-international.org

 

[Talvikki]

Let me clarify. First, I was wrong it is pentobarbital not pheno. I have 2 large bottles of the liquid vetinary supply that I got from D around 2012.

If you have pentobarbital from 'D' that dates back to 2012, it is not from D (Domingo), who came after Alejandro Vasquez, but from D (Dorian Galeazzi), who supplied pentobarbital before Alejandro Vasquez. Alejandro Vasquez was the successor to Dorian Galeazzi.

The Dutch foundation De Einder that provides information on methods and means to end one's life maintained contact with them to ensure the drugs were reliable: with 'Johnson' in China – until he was shut down; with 'Dorian Galeazzi' in Mexico, and his successor Alejandro Vasquez, who is now also in prison.

I remember that Philip Nitschke talked a few years ago about pentobarbital from Dorian Galeazzi. He said that it is probably still fine, but that testing would be useful.

This is the message as of today on their website regarding the testing equipment. Does this mean they can't test N for purity and potency?

A member of Exit International recently mentioned that the problems at Energy Control have been resolved, while Energy Control indeed still mentions on their site that they are having a technical issue.

When I log into Energy Control, pentobarbital is listed as a substance to be analyzed.

Perhaps it is best to first send an email to Energy Control to ask whether the issues have indeed been resolved or if they are still experiencing problems.