Permanent solution to a temporary problem

[Q_Hayley]

I and I'm sure many of you have heard someone say "suicide is a permanent Solution to a temporary problem"

Now obviously I disagree with this but I was just wondering what everyone's thoughts or responses to this is?

 

[Life_and_Death]

that would be nice if it were true but not all problems are temporary.

example: my parents are never going to love me. im going to live my whole life being rejected by 4 people that are "suppose to care". thats a permanent mentally debilitating problem.

you dont know me. dont f'en tell me its "temporary", when you dont know if it is. that just makes it obvious youre spouting bs you never actually thought about and just sounds good

 

[divinemistress36]

20 years of major depression isn't a temporary problem

 

[Some place nice]

It is a permeant solution to a temporary problem. If I die than my life will be gone, but the pain and suffering that I feel are also permeant, so I'll also be getting rid of a permeant problem as well.

 

[Aim]

I and I'm sure many of you have heard someone say "suicide is a permanent Solution to a temporary problem"

Now obviously I disagree with this but I was just wondering what everyone's thoughts or responses to this is?

I feel like the people that say this, only mean well. They have no clue to how severe things can get for a person. So I think it's best to just excuse the people that say this. They have never been down the rabbit hole so it's hard to imagine. Besides I don't think it is in most humans nature to spill out to someone that CTB is absolutely the best solution, so go ahead. Since we also are hardwired to survive. Unless your feeling suicidal yourself. It's even hard to navigate what to respond sometimes here to people I feel like. If you get what I mean.

Ps: dont get me wrong. Your feelings are real and should be validated no mather what.

 

[Sleeper System]

It makes sense depending on your prospective.
I take that phrase to mean that you're cutting your own life short when life is already short as it is.
That depends on your definition of "short" and most us would agree that life is long and arduous.
The phrase "time moves faster when you're having fun" pairs well with that phrase.
However, those of us not having any fun experience life as a prolonged state of suffering.

As a whole, the phrase is presumptuous on its face... though it's usually not said with malicious intention.

 

[Abyssal]

Idk about you but I want my solutions to be permanent. Saying something is a temporary solution implies the problem comes back. It's just nonsense that sounds meaningful

 

[flightless bird]

talk is cheap.

some problems persist till you die and some of them are unbearable, and i have never heard anyone who actually dwells in them utter such nonsense...

 

[KatzeK4]

Honestly this depends on the situation, and while yes, some situations/problems are only temporary, some just aren't. It's insensitive.

 

[amaluuk]

Honestly this depends on the situation, and while yes, some situations/problems are only temporary, some just aren't. It's insensitive.

Will have to channel what you said.

Suicide is a pretty murky thing and not everyone whose considering it should maybe go through with it. Especially folks with unstable mood disorders like bipolar or borderline, they might want to really take the time and space to make sure it's a right fit for them. Obviously if you're in your rational mind and you can see that constant ups and downs aren't sustainable and medication is either non-functional or not an option, then sure. But in a lot of cases, and especially with more impulsive people, it might not be a terribly good idea.

That said people have a right to do things. We don't make a law against gambling for impulsive morons, we just kind of try to advise them not to but they'll do it if they want to. There's also just the fact that for some suicide is a reasonable option but that invites a level of gatekeeping and I don't want to gatekeep the right to die. Ultimately people have freedoms and those freedoms include self-annihilation, and that's just a fact of life, no matter what some pro-lifer moron has to whinge about it.

And also, half the time it's not even coming from that well thought out of a place. Sure some people might have "temporary problems" but the person who says this never thinks about those problems in those ways and weighs whether they are rationally "temporary" or "permanent", they just assume that suicide is such an unreasonable and awful horrible no good very bad thing that the person who considers it must have something wrong with them, and people who have things wrong with them shouldn't get to make their own decisions in life anyhow, right? So ultimately a form of abuse, both infantilization and condescension, as though most suicidal people aren't a) adults and b) put some thought into it and have been trying for quite some time.

 

[F@#$]

Is a problem still temporary if I still have it after 30 years?

 

[MatrixPrisoner]

Someone told me that over 30 years ago. I'm still waiting to see if it's just temporary.

 

[Princess_Kitty]

I don't really agree either. For me my problems don't seem to be "temporary". It seems to be permanent, it's like a never ending nightmare that you can't wake up from. More like "permanent solution to a permanent problem".

 

[brokeandbroken]

I and I'm sure many of you have heard someone say "suicide is a permanent Solution to a temporary problem"

Now obviously I disagree with this but I was just wondering what everyone's thoughts or responses to this is?

I don't see how my life will improve or how it is temporary.... That's the primary reason I want to CTB. Unfortunately it would require (the right) person coming along and picking up out of the gutter. I'm not the person that that happens to in all honesty...

 

[hellispink]

I wish all problems were temporary. The truth is, most things that cause us deep cutting throat pain will stay forever , its permanent. Scars cannot be erase by time or anything. A person that is damaged cant be fix. Society itself cannot be fix and we all influence by the nasty society.

 

[Blurry_Buildings]

My eyes are never going to stop being in pain at this point and I will never see things clearly again.

Some things just aren't curable.

 

[FuneralCry]

The fact that death is permanent is exactly why it appeals to me. All I see as desirable is an dreamless and eternal sleep free from this futile and burdensome existence, I envy those who no longer exist as now they eternally lack the ability to suffer. The temporary problem for me is existence itself, no matter what existence will be the problem that can only be solved by the peace of death.

 

[Janine]

Perhaps it's the other way around..

 

[ummagumma]

one can say that every problem is temporary (and its kinda true since we are all going to die in the end)
but some problems are with you for long enough. they may stay with you for the rest of your life. and death is an ultimate solution for all of them

 

[Slow_Farewell]

It's not completely true, but to dismiss it outright in it's entirety would make those opposed to the sentiment exactly the same as the other side.
"Suicide is a permanent solution" - This part is true. We often tend to romanticize what follows, labelling it as "peace", "solitude" etc but the fact of the matter is, we don't know what happens after. We can only hope that what comes is the absence of what we are already experiencing now. For those of us that are religiously inclined, we may be able to accept that we'd burn in hell, but even that is preferrable to what we are suffering now.
"to a temporary problem" this is the part that triggers people a lot, it seems. this is because people feel attacked, or belittled. Here's the thing though: there is no one that can claim to be or have the standard on what constitutes a "temporary problem". Just check the replies on this thread. People can and will claim that whatever they are experiencing IS more than the definition of "temporary". Some will quote time duration, that it's been ongoing for years, some say it's the intensity of what they are feeling. They aren't wrong as well.

TL:DR: People are entitled to their own opinion and if someone says that to me, then it's on me to distance myself from that person instead of trying to convince them that my suffering does not qualify under "temporary"

 

[Forever Sleep]

I think it's a ridiculous statement that people just use to try and shut the conversation down and to show that they don't approve of suicide (probably under any or most circumstances.) They likely haven't even bothered to find out what has made that person suicidal, how long they have been suffering and how likely it is that they could even solve their problems. It's such a lazy response!

Not that I talk about suicide much with people and I'd only reveal my own ideation to someone I either sensed felt the same or- would be pro-choice. Still in response- I'd love to say: 'Oh completely! I only ever try and find temporary solutions to problems. Just slap another bandaid on that open wound and voila! I'm good to go!'

 

[BlackMoon]

My problems are not temporary at all. Not being socially accepted isn't a temporary problem. Not being seen as a human being by most people isn't a temporary problem. Having to wear a social mask almost every day of my life isn't a temporary problem.

It would probably be one of the most inaccurate thing to tell to me.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

It's the question how long is "temporary" and whether you want / can put efforts into a change? Can the problem(s) be solved / eliminated? In most cases they can't. But the truth is some problems could be solved but we never know what will happen in the future.

Sometimes a permanent solution to temporary problem(s) is the best decision to prevent oneself from further suffering. We think, we miss out on things in life, we actually don't, but it's kinda SI and other stuff that makes us often hesitate and in the end we have to suffer more.

If I kms years ago when it was already clear I won't recover it would have prevented me from so much unnecessary suffering in the past years but yet here I am, no solution for my problem .... LOL it's just a question of time when there will be more suffering ...

 

[Justnotme]

"Life" is a temporary problem. Why not solve it on an ongoing basis)

 

[butterfly000]

It's funny to me every time I hear this. Even if it's true, a solution is still a solution. Even better if it's permanent.

 

[Worndown]

That is said by people without permanent problems.

 

[Unknown21]

21 years in the same problems isn't temporary furthermore who doesn't want a permanent solution to even a temporary problem!

 

[outrider567]

I and I'm sure many of you have heard someone say "suicide is a permanent Solution to a temporary problem"

Now obviously I disagree with this but I was just wondering what everyone's thoughts or responses to this is?

With my longtime girlfriend's death, its a permanent problem, not a temporary one

 

[DesperateOne]

I and I'm sure many of you have heard someone say "suicide is a permanent Solution to a temporary problem"

Now obviously I disagree with this but I was just wondering what everyone's thoughts or responses to this is?

My brain has developed in an incorrect way due to parental neglect + isolation and I'm now a decade behind everyone socially, academically and on every other front imaginable with a shit ton of mental illnesses on top of that. There is no fixing this.

I agree though that 80% of the people (especially teenagers) on this site are trying to CTB for a temporary problem that just needs some time and work to improve (or in some cases a lot of time and a lot work). Majority of people will realize this sooner or later or just when they will about to die from their CTB method which is unfortunate. At the end of the day before taking any kind of permanent decision one should try all available methods to recover including medications.

 

[walkingdead2023]

Life stressors are not temporary, mental illness is not temporary, chronic illness is not temporary!! We have a million negatives vs one positive or maybe non. I personally is going to kms not because of a specific problem or illness just because I have no purpose I feel empty no matter what I do so that is not temporary not so ever

However, I did say that about one of the patients who killed himself because he had a fight with his mom no history of anything he was fine some people kill themselves out of anger outburst so it could be but not general statement, very rare cases tho