Percent chance of success with sn?

[Shu]

Yes, reducing pain through tylenol or advil plus discomfort through beta blockers seems to help a person's chances. Benzos also seem to help, but not every0one can get those.

I've read the Tylenol and Advil doesn't even help with hypoxic headaches anyway.

 

[littlelady774]

For those underweight, whether naturally or from EDs, please know you don't have to take the full 25 grams.
Do 180 x 2 x your weight in kg, then divide by 1000.

 

[Shu]

Yes, reducing pain through tylenol or advil plus discomfort through beta blockers seems to help a person's chances. Benzos also seem to help, but not every0one can get those.

Also @Soon i will be gone shared a threat about how taking high doses of propranolol can really hurt you. So if you end up failing you can have consequences from the propranolol. I'm only going to be taking 30 mg.

For those underweight, whether naturally or from EDs, please know you don't have to take the full 25 grams.
Do 180 x 2 x your weight in kg, then divide by 1000.

I'd say it's probably best for everyone to just take the amount that we already know has been working. I just don't see how it really matters if you're taking 19 G or you're taking 25 G anyway if you're going to drink a second cup.

 

[littlelady774]

I'd say it's probably best for everyone to just take the amount that we already know has been working. I just don't see how it really matters if you're taking 19 G or you're taking 25 G anyway if you're going to drink a second cup.

Well my line of thinking is less vomiting risk.- like I'm going to take 16 grams for my weight and have less vomiting risk than if it was 25 grams

 

[Jarni]

I kept reading and they also called for help.

Yes but why they stayed conscious all the time.... :-(

 

[Shu]

Well my line of thinking is less vomiting risk.- like I'm going to take 16 grams for my weight and have less vomiting risk than if it was 25 grams

I understand. Most people vomit regardless. PPEH used to recommend around 5-7 grams of SN but it takes way longer to lose consciousness and experience way more symptoms because of that.

 

[losing hope]

How are you estimating that figure?

It's my own gut feeling / guess based on the research I have done thus far. Trying to be realistic in that % taking into account possibility of vomitting.

Which threads are you referring to?

All those SN failure / testing threads which have popped up since December 2022. @IntelligentLeg is the first that springs to mind, but there was a thread a few days ago entitled "Tastes Vile". I know in both of these cases the OP did report some short term after effects, but I am curious as to the longer term effects.

 

[Shu]

It's my own gut feeling / guess based on the research I have done thus far. Trying to be realistic in that % taking into account possibility of vomitting.




All those SN failure / testing threads which have popped up since December 2022. @IntelligentLeg is the first that springs to mind, but there was a thread a few days ago entitled "Tastes Vile". I know in both of these cases the OP did report some short term after effects, but I am curious as to the longer term effects.

Well being that vomiting haven't really seemed to be the cause of failure I wouldn't worry about it that much.

I can't seem to understand why people keep questioning IntelligentLeg. I thought we've already discussed that PC is shipping out Nitrate labeled as Nitrite.

 

[stilhavinightmares]

Yes but why they stayed conscious all the time.... :-(

True, good point!

 

[born2win]

damn i have to do 34gms, my weight is 97kg and i think im just stocky built

For those underweight, whether naturally or from EDs, please know you don't have to take the full 25 grams.
Do 180 x 2 x your weight in kg, then divide by 1000.

 

[littlelady774]

damn i have to do 34gms, my weight is 97kg and i think im just stocky built

Well the ppeh does say take 35 grams if you're over 100 kg. That just proves that PN probably uses the LD50 to determine dose

 

[born2win]

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Well the ppeh does say take 35 grams if you're over 100 kg. That just proves that PN probably uses the LD50 to determine dose

Im not familiar with the acronym PN and LD50. Please what does it mean? Even on pm if it's illegal to say

 

[littlelady774]

Im not familiar with the acronym PN and LD50. Please what does it mean? Even on pm if it's illegal to say

Sorry lol
PN = Phillip Neitzchke
LD50= Median lethal dose -value for a substance is the dose required to kill half the members of a tested population

 

[LastFlowers]

Yes, reducing pain through tylenol or advil plus discomfort through beta blockers seems to help a person's chances. Benzos also seem to help, but not every0one can get those.

Yea benzos are the only thing I don't have and I'm unsure of how to obtain them.
Sort of wonder if they would be considered "influencing" too, I don't want any of my family members having some excuse that I didn't make the decision of my own volition.
At the same time, I think I would definitely prefer to have them.

I've read the Tylenol and Advil doesn't even help with hypoxic headaches anyway.

Do you know why and what does?

I'm not that worried about pain, I think I'd have more issues with discomfort, but jw.

It's my own gut feeling / guess based on the research I have done thus far. Trying to be realistic in that % taking into account possibility of vomitting.




All those SN failure / testing threads which have popped up since December 2022. @IntelligentLeg is the first that springs to mind, but there was a thread a few days ago entitled "Tastes Vile". I know in both of these cases the OP did report some short term after effects, but I am curious as to the longer term effects.

Thanks. Yea I also saw the "tastes vile" one.
That was the second one I was referring to earlier but I forgot the title of the thread and the OP.

 

[Jarni]

Yea I already have trouble breathing too so I understand that part ..I would rather not feel more suffocation, but SN is the only decent method I have access to.
I will have to get through any possible physical discomfort that comes along with it, I wish I had an instantaneous method but I do not.

It's the failures where no intervention was involved that seriously concern me.
I honestly think I'd go completely fucking insane if I did everything I needed to do, took my SN, and then still woke up hours or days later somehow.
I do not have a reliable back up method.
(Besides a second bottle of the same SN.)

I really understand... I'm in the same position, I just can't fail SN because even hanging or tourniquet are physically impossible for me. So if I vomit (I only have Benadryl, no meto) I don't know how but I must take the 2d glass and even 3d if necessary.
Otherwise only SN from another source and analysis of what was the problem.
And I'll also have to go through any physical discomfort.... Just no choice.

Makes me wonder where they got their info from, when they seem to have no idea what they were even doing.
Something doesn't add up.

They was lurking for 3 years on SS, I think they knew that SN only is OK.

 

[losing hope]

I really understand... I'm in the same position, I just can't fail SN because even hanging or tourniquet are physically impossible for me. So if I vomit (I only have Benadryl, no meto) I don't know how but I must take the 2d glass and even 3d if necessary.

I'm also in the same position so am worried about all the risks associated to vomitting & taking back up glasses. Even if vomitting doesn't kill you, the sound of it may make you alert neighbours / help etc. Then there is the discomfort of vomitting even if you are successful. And the probability one would have had a more peaceful / quicker death if they hadn't vomitted as much?

I think littlelady774 has a point about weight having an impact. Perhaps age & health also have a simliar effect? I also suspect if you can stave yourself & dehydrate yourself as much as possible before taking the SN (i.e. go overkill even above PPH / Stan's protocol). That may help in regards to vomitting.

There was an Excel spreadsheet on this forum charting 27 witnessed deaths of SN by I think Exit International, and it was written in Dutch as "Dood" on it meant "Dead", Anyway IIRC a poster (possibly @freelifexit ?) did some anaylsis showing in 52% of those cases the victim did vomit before succeding. So despite what anyone tells you on this forum, IMO vomitting is a worry.

Also thinking of combining SN with say burning down my house in case the SN doesn't get me in time.

 

[Jarni]

I'm also in the same position so am worried about all the risks associated to vomitting & taking back up glasses. Even if vomitting doesn't kill you, the sound of it may make you alert neighbours / help etc. Then there is the discomfort of vomitting even if you are successful. And the probability one would have had a more peaceful / quicker death if they hadn't vomitted as much?

I think littlelady774 has a point about weight having an impact. Perhaps age & health also have a simliar effect? I also suspect if you can stave yourself & dehydrate yourself as much as possible before taking the SN (i.e. go overkill even above PPH / Stan's protocol). That may help in regards to vomitting.

There was an Excel spreadsheet on this forum charting 27 witnessed deaths of SN by I think Exit International, and it was written in Dutch as "Dood" on it meant "Dead", Anyway IIRC a poster (possibly @freelifexit ?) did some anaylsis showing in 52% of those cases the victim did vomit before succeding. So despite what anyone tells you on this forum, IMO vomitting is a worry.

Also thinking of combining SN with say burning down my house in case the SN doesn't get me in time.

I'm sorry you are in the same position...

My personal thougts (after reading lots of info) are as follows:

- SN is a poison. If you take 10g (nb: not recommended for CTB) or 25g, it is still the poison.
I don't know how the body can be saying "ah it is only 10g, not 25g, so no go to vomiting, not poisenous" :-)

- So I can't be estimating what is the % of chances to vomit (in addition, with Benadryl that was used just once and with 10-15g). I have to prepare myself for the mission of taking other glasses, in the first place.

(I'll also take 20mg of Famotidine (antacid).)

- I hope to be able to move at least a little bit and keep smth from awarness and critical thinking to take 2d/3d glass. Knowing I have only 1 try, I'll have to go through anything else.

- I think your point with dehydration is very interesting (I read with interest your previous thread about this, thank you).
Unfortunately any even little physical activity is impossible for me, so I can dehydrate myself with no taking the water for several hours...
I don't know if it is enough :-(
I'm interested in thinking about what else could help to prevent vomiting.

- I'm about 55kg, and will take 25gr of SN, because of my personal estimations I mentioned and hoping that this could allow more SN to stay inside of my body in case of vomiting.

- Yes I think not throwing up is very important to lose consciousness ASAP and it is the main point for peacefullness.

- There was 1 person on SS who had to take 3 glasses, because of vomiting and stayed conscious (chatting on SS) before the 3d glass. But it is the only case I saw like this. Usually 2 glasses are enough for success (if vomiting).

 

[losing hope]

I'm sorry you are in the same position...

My personal thougts (after reading lots of info) are as follows:

- SN is a poison. If you take 10g (nb: not recommended for CTB) or 25g, it is still the poison.
I don't know how the body can be saying "ah it is only 10g, not 25g, so no go to vomiting, not poisenous" :-)

Thanks for the nice comment. You should try drinking alochol until you throw up as then you'll learn how the body recknoises whenever it has over consumed on something & vomit it out. Irrespective of whether that substance was poisionous or not.

- I think your point with dehydration is very interesting (I read with interest your previous thread about this, thank you).
Unfortunately any even little physical activity is impossible for me, so I can dehydrate myself with no taking the water for several hours...
I don't know if it is enough :-(
I'm interested on thinking about what else could help to prevent vomiting.

Thanks again for the compliment. I've noticed being REALLY dehydrated like where you have lost around 50% of your body fluid & your pee is yellow stings/burns when coming out etc.... then drugs seem more potent to you. In that other thread, I mentioned I am a weed addict, so the "high" I get of weed is intentisified & lasts longer the more dehydrated I am. Which makes sense from a logical POV...i.e. less body fluids in me to interfer with the drugs.

So I am wondering (& hoping) the same might be true of SN?

The key reason I get dehydrated from my "sessions" as I refered to in that other thread, is not so much from the sweat produced / other fluids I am expelling from my penis. But IMO is more to do with something going on in my scrotum. I say that because my tesciles ache like hell when I get like that, and I think there is possibly a build up of pressure/air or even just some kind of inflammation / infection going on which leads me to pee ALOT. Something possibly like this; https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/urinary-tract-infections-utis/#:~:text=Check if it's a urinary,or has a strong smell

Like I mean peeing for maybe a few hours a day (on several toliet trips however). In fact, I've actually sat on the toilet peeing for around 1 hour in one go before! So if you can get into that kind of "zone" where you are peeing all the time then getting dehydrated ain't too difficult. And no sweat producing activity is required also & there doesn't seem to be any lasting effects. Weed also helps dehydrates you & numb your mouth/tougue...which might be good for getting SN passed the taste buds.

However it would be good to get an expert to provide any opinions/research on this if possible.

 

[Jarni]

Thanks for the nice comment. You should try drinking alochol until you throw up as then you'll learn how the body recknoises whenever it has over consumed on something & vomit it out. Irrespective of whether that substance was poisionous or not.



Thanks again for the compliment. I've noticed being REALLY dehydrated like where you have lost around 50% of your body fluid & your pee is yellow stings/burns when coming out etc.... then drugs seem more potent to you. In that other thread, I mentioned I am a weed addict, so the "high" I get of weed is intentisified & lasts longer the more dehydrated I am. Which makes sense from a logical POV...i.e. less body fluids in me to interfer with the drugs.

So I am wondering (& hoping) the same might be true of SN?

The key reason I get dehydrated from my "sessions" as I refered to in that other thread, is not so much from the sweat produced / other fluids I am expelling from my penis. But IMO is more to do with something going on in my scrotum. I say that because my tesciles ache like hell when I get like that, and I think there is possibly a build up of pressure/air or even just some kind of inflammation / infection going on which leads me to pee ALOT. Something possibly like this; https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/urinary-tract-infections-utis/#:~:text=Check if it's a urinary,or has a strong smell

Like I mean peeing for maybe a few hours a day (on several toliet trips however). In fact, I've actually sat on the toilet peeing for around 1 hour in one go before! So if you can get into that kind of "zone" where you are peeing all the time then getting dehydrated ain't too difficult. And no sweat producing activity is required also & there doesn't seem to be any lasting effects. Weed also helps dehydrates you & numb your mouth/tougue...which might be good for getting SN passed the taste buds.

However it would be good to get an expert to provide any opinions/research on this if possible.

Thank you for all the details.
For the alcohol and vomiting, I understand the logic, but it is not the same as SN (obviously )... I'm not sure we can really compare them. Anyway it is difficult...

And for you the weed doesn't erase your short term memory?

Your post makes me think about diuretics. Dandelion is a good one.
And expert and research would be good, yes...

The Diuretic Effect in Human Subjects of an Extract of Taraxacum officinale Folium over a Single Day

Taraxacum officinale (L.) Weber (Asteraceae) has been extensively employed as a diuretic in traditional folk medicine and in modern phytotherapy in Europe, Asia, and the Americas without prior clinical trial substantiation.In this pilot study, a high-quality ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Design
Volume of urinary output and fluid intake were recorded by subjects. Baseline values for urinary frequency and excretion ratio (urination volume:fluid intake) were established 2 days prior to dandelion dosing (8 mL TID) and monitored throughout a 1-day dosing period and 24 hours postdosing.

Results
For the entire population (n = 17) there was a significant (p < 0.05) increase in the frequency of urination in the 5-hour period after the first dose. There was also a significant (p < 0.001) increase in the excretion ratio in the 5-hour period after the second dose of extract. The third dose failed to change any of the measured parameters.

Conclusions
Based on these first human data, T. officinale ethanolic extract shows promise as a diuretic in humans.

 

[jessisme]

I think it does depend a lot on following the protocol. I agree- it is distressing when attempts seem to fail. Still- as we've heard more and more detail from the OP's- quite often major things were done incorrectly.

Not to say there haven't been failures when everything was followed. Obviously- that's even more troubling. I terms of percentage though- no idea. There's no way to verify who it did and didn't work for on here. It's all trust and assumptions.

Honestly- it's still my method. I'm scared. It will be a risk. Life's always been a risk though. I don't much fancy risking my future either. It all looks horribly bleak.

Same.

 

[losing hope]

And for you the weed doesn't erase your short memory?

Your post makes me think about diuretics. Dandelion is a good one.
And expert and research would be good, yes...

Yes weed erases short term memory, if you chain smoke it like me. Thanks for mentioning diuretics. I had no idea there were tablets avaliable to induce peeing & therefore dehydration. This could be something to look into further?

FYI I do drink alot of strong black coffee alongside weed & in my lived experience that seems to have a simliar effect to diurectics (i.e. rid the body of liquid & makes me pee alot). But I say that having never taking a diurectic before (either prescribed or OTC), so I can't really say for sure. Assuming no-one comes up with a valid reason why diurectics won't work with SN, then I am tempted to try get this on prescription; https://www.nhs.uk/medicines/furosemide/about-furosemide/

This link also mentions diurectics also rid's the body of salts as well as liquid;

Diuretics (water tablets): Types, uses and side effects | Bupa UK

Diuretics. Information from Bupa including the main types of diuretic, how they work, how to take them and potential side-effects.

www.bupa.co.uk

That is something else I forgot to mention...when peeing alot, it isn't just liquid you are expelling. It seems like your natural salts & minerals are going to. So much so, I've sometimes felt lightheaded / dizzy / about to faint after standing up from the loo.

Also if I eat say a bag of crisps after peeing for ages, I can tell my body is in desperate need for the salt intake. So another things I though about, possibly to help with the SN method....is firstly going on a salt diet in the days weeks prior, for this reason.

Alternatively how about eating lots of beef jerky / cured meats in the weeks prior to your CTB date. This is as an attempt to try & get as much SN in your system from these products / or at least get your body used to having lots of salty goodness in it....before your CTB date. Bit of a punt these last two ideas though, so no idea if it has any legs?

 

[Jarni]

Yes weed erases short term memory, if you chain smoke it like me. Thanks for mentioning diuretics. I had no idea there were tablets avaliable to induce peeing & therefore dehydration. This could be something to look into further?

FYI I do drink alot of strong black coffee alongside weed & in my lived experience that seems to have a simliar effect to diurectics (i.e. rid the body of liquid & makes me pee alot). But I say that having never taking a diurectic before (either prescribed or OTC), so I can't really say for sure. Assuming no-one comes up with a valid reason why diurectics won't work with SN, then I am tempted to try get this on prescription; https://www.nhs.uk/medicines/furosemide/about-furosemide/

This link also mentions diurectics also rid's the body of salts as well as liquid;

Diuretics (water tablets): Types, uses and side effects | Bupa UK

Diuretics. Information from Bupa including the main types of diuretic, how they work, how to take them and potential side-effects.

www.bupa.co.uk

That is something else I forgot to mention...when peeing alot, it isn't just liquid you are expelling. It seems like your natural salts & minerals are going to. So much so, I've sometimes felt lightheaded / dizzy / about to faint after standing up from the loo.

Also if I eat say a bag of crisps after peeing for ages, I can tell my body is in desperate need for the salt intake. So another things I though about, possibly to help with the SN method....is firstly going on a salt diet in the days weeks prior, for this reason.

Alternatively how about eating lots of beef jerky / cured meats in the weeks prior to your CTB date. This is as an attempt to try & get as much SN in your system from these products / or at least get your body used to having lots of salty goodness in it....before your CTB date. Bit of a punt these last two ideas though, so no idea if it has any legs?

It is all interesting ideas... I just don't know how to verify... At least on the dehydration/diuretics I'll try to dig more into research...

I'm frustrated by the lack of the explanations in PPH and links to research.
I wonder why there is no more info in recent versions of PPH on taking IP6 before SN.
Reducing Methemoglobin reductase is a good idea.

I'm just afraid of all antioxidants, because SN is an oxidant. And IP6 is a good antioxidant.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...blockers-painkillers-draft.29822/#post-545751

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/1-week-dietary-supplement-regimen-sn.25744/

Phytic acid (IP6) is essentially an enzyme inhibitor.
If you don't know already what an enzyme is, it's basically a substance that helps a reaction take place.
In the case of ingesting SN, we are in a battle with the enzyme Methemoglobin Reductase.
Methemoglobin Reductase works to convert the Methemoglobin back into Hemoglobin.

 

[littlelady774]

It is all interesting ideas... I just don't know how to verify... At least on the dehydration/diuretics I'll try to dig more into research...

I'm frustrated by the lack of the explanations in PPH and links to research.
I wonder why there is no more info in recent versions of PPH on taking IP6 before SN.
Reducing Methemoglobin reductase is a good idea.

I'm just afraid of all antioxydants, because SN is an oxydant. And IP6 is a good antioxydant.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...blockers-painkillers-draft.29822/#post-545751

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/1-week-dietary-supplement-regimen-sn.25744/

Phytic acid (IP6) is essentially an enzyme inhibitor.
If you don't know already what an enzyme is, it's basically a substance that helps a reaction take place.
In the case of ingesting SN, we are in a battle with the enzyme Methemoglobin Reductase.
Methemoglobin Reductase works to convert the Methemoglobin back into Hemoglobin.

Very informative. It's like we need to go on a diet of carrots, nuts and beets, and avoid red meat a week before SN to become more anemic.

Maybe using a bunch of lidocaine with SN will increase our chances too.

Avoid anything with high iron : spinach, eggs, any meat, green vegetables

 

[losing hope]

Very informative. It's like we need to go on a diet of carrots, nuts and beets, and avoid red meat a week before SN to become more anemic.

Maybe using a bunch of lidocaine with SN will increase our chances too.

Avoid anything with high iron : spinach, eggs, any meat, green vegetables

I think you are correct about avoiding iron within foods in the week/s leading to ingesting SN. As somewhere within the below link; https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12024-022-00471-8#Tab1

It states..."As such, pre-existing cardiovascular disease and/or anemia are conditions which will exacerbate (SN) toxicity [37]." It cites this study Cortazzo JA, Lichtman AD. Methemoglobinemia: a review and recommendations for management. J Cardiothorac Vasc Anesth. 2014;28:1043–7 as it's reference.

Methemoglobinemia: A Review and Recommendations for Management

OCCULT METHEMOGLOBINEMIA due to local anesthetic toxicity potentially is fatal. The Food and Drug Administration has documented 319 cases of methemoglobinemia in patients exposed to topical benzocaine, including 3 cases that resulted in death.1 Even when used as directed by the manufacturer...

www.jcvaonline.com

Another idea to possibly increase the absorption of SN & therefore it's sucess is avoiding vitamin C (so orange juice etc) as I heard that coverts Nitrite into Nitrate. However it might be good to have this around in case of a failed attempt as it helps one recover from SN toxicity.

Also getting lots of vitamin D in the week/s prior to an attempt. As in my experience, I tend to absorp food much better when getting lots of vitamin D (usually via sunlight). I also really feel when I don't get enough vitamin D / sunlight when I usually just poo out the food I eaten. Rather than that food be converted into energy / muscle. Can anyone else relate to this, or provide any sciencfic reasons for or against Vitamin D intake prior to SN?

 

[Disaster]

Unfortunately we can't have a poll where people could tick options like "I took it and died, it wasn't too bad" or "I took it and died, the dying process sucked" I mean we could, but only perfectly alive trolls would choose those options. We know a lot about how hanging does work, because humans used it for executions too. We know about N, because it's used for euthanasia and assisted suicide. It would be nice if someone did some proper research on the lethality of SN, but I'm afraid if they did, they would start controlling the substance much more in the country where such research was performed. Not something we'd appreciate. And other countries could follow. It's awful that not wanting to live is almost treated like a crime, but here we are.
People claim that there are no doctors on this forum, I'm pretty sure that there are doctors here, but also in this pro-life culture providing useful information on how to CTB would be punished. So we likely get advice here from med school dropouts, regular school dropouts, people whose experience in the medical field sums up as "being seriously ill for a really long time", people who believe that eating processed meats can help with holding down the SN solution, etc. It's sick that providing humane methods is considered a crime.

 

[Jarni]

Unfortunately we can't have a poll where people could tick options like "I took it and died, it wasn't too bad" or "I took it and died, the dying process sucked" I mean we could, but only perfectly alive trolls would choose those options. We know a lot about how hanging does work, because humans used it for executions too. We know about N, because it's used for euthanasia and assisted suicide. It would be nice if someone did some proper research on the lethality of SN, but I'm afraid if they did, they would start controlling the substance much more in the country where such research was performed. Not something we'd appreciate. And other countries could follow. It's awful that not wanting to live is almost treated like a crime, but here we are.
People claim that there are no doctors on this forum, I'm pretty sure that there are doctors here, but also in this pro-life culture providing useful information on how to CTB would be punished. So we likely get advice here from med school dropouts, regular school dropouts, people whose experience in the medical field sums up as "being seriously ill for a really long time", people who believe that eating processed meats can help with holding down the SN solution, etc. It's sick that providing humane methods is considered a crime.

Doctors' knowledge has to be based on research anyway... If it is not based on a concrete research there is no value in it.

 

[Disaster]

@Jarni well, sometimes there's no sufficient research yet things are done anyway, because of no other reasonable options. This is how the improvement can be achieved. For example a veterinarian has bandaged a vibrator to a lizards belly to cure it of constipation, it worked, and it will, or will not, become a standard treatment depending on how it will work for other constipated lizards. Or maybe it is already a standard or already proven to not work, I don't know. The thing is, apparently having a vibrator at the facility designed for treating animals is less controversial than doing some proper research on ctb methods on consenting adult people who don't want to live. This world has serious issues.

 

[Source Energy]

I think it does depend a lot on following the protocol. I agree- it is distressing when attempts seem to fail. Still- as we've heard more and more detail from the OP's- quite often major things were done incorrectly.

Not to say there haven't been failures when everything was followed. Obviously- that's even more troubling. I terms of percentage though- no idea. There's no way to verify who it did and didn't work for on here. It's all trust and assumptions.

Honestly- it's still my method. I'm scared. It will be a risk. Life's always been a risk though. I don't much fancy risking my future either. It all looks horribly bleak.

me too, still scared but I will do it. I am more scared of living with this pain inside for another 1 year or 40 years

 

[Jarni]

@Jarni well, sometimes there's no sufficient research yet things are done anyway, because of no other reasonable options. This is how the improvement can be achieved. For example a veterinarian has bandaged a vibrator to a lizards belly to cure it of constipation, it worked, and it will, or will not, become a standard treatment depending on how it will work for other constipated lizards. Or maybe it is already a standard or already proven to not work, I don't know. The thing is, apparently having a vibrator at the facility designed for treating animals is less controversial than doing some proper research on ctb methods on consenting adult people who don't want to live. This world has serious issues.

Yes of corse I understand, but testing a vibrator against constipation even on 5 lizards is a research (if well documented and rather with control group... but even without a control group...). I mean that just being a doctor gives nothing for the SN subject. And (because) SN is not a cure.... So there is no "clinical practice" (that is extremely important in medecine) based things...