Discussion PARENTS ARE THE PROBLEM

[FromDarkness]

The more I experience of this "gift" some insane folks call life, the more I hate my parents. That's the playing out of a simple, logical mechanism, pushed forward by the material facts of this material existence. And by a love for morality.

Of course, nobody is perfect. When existence is basically hardcoded to generate immorality, that will inevitably taint us all.

But if you send someone to an eternal bestairii, a chronic Russian roulette, a straight up torture chamber, you've made the cardinal sin. And you deserve whatever's coming to you.

It's so simple... so fucking simple...

But yes, on one side, the Homer Simpsons of this world won't understand this. That has been experienced a million times before. It's dust on the shelf by now. If you materially don't have a capacity to think or feel... good for you, I guess.

And then, God's (in reality, Satan's) disciples. They just want more meat to this grinder. They love the torture of other beings, while mockingly trivializing our pain from on top of their horses, made by sewn together parts from the corpses of their victims. And they just can't wait for more.

Stupidity and evil... all around. What a sad, immoral, fundamentally indefensible existence this is.

 

[AcornUnderground]

Ive actually been thinking about this. Do you think eventually humanity will ever come to the conclusion that the human race should just end in the most humane way possible? (like no more people being born) Think about it. Either we all reach utopian perfection or the human race ends before we get to that point. Is there a world where we let every currently living person live their lives but create no new people?

i would say probably not but im just thinking out loud

I would love to see a world where people don't blindly procreate with no thought of creating lives or not, at the very least it would be a start!

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

So this yelling keeps coming up in the feed:

PARENTS ARE THE PROBLEM

With Hitler it was, JEWS ARE THE PROBLEM.

This kind of finger-pointing, j'accuse-style condemnation ignores a whole slew of issues and conditions, vilifies an entire group of people, and creates blind enmity.

Not all parents are shit. Biology makes people want to have sex and/or want to have children. Ignorance leads to making inadvisable decisions.

The thread title and the OP are filled with such blame and anger that I suspect great personal pain caused them, and led to a oversimplified conclusion to explain the cause of that pain that had yet to be soothed or healed. Life and humans are way more complex than any one group being THE fundamental blame for the suffering and ills of humanity. Life is suffering or the avoidance of suffering. It is bound up in ignorance and delusion.

Blame to this particular degree does not speak to me of wisdom, maturity, or deep inner and outer reflection; instead, it screams to me (and at me) like a narcissistic wound, an inner two- or three-year-old demanding that the adult self give them voice and control and power and revenge. It needs safe hugs, for fuck's sake. Hours of them. I'm sorry that parents were so shitty to the OP and to so many. I'm sorry that life hurts so much. Nervous systems are to blame. Evolution is to blame. Carbon is to blame for making life-forms.

CARBON IS THE PROBLEM

THE BIG BANG IS THE PROBLEM

QUANTUM PARTICLES ARE THE PROBLEM

I WILL NEVER KNOW WHAT OR WHO IS THE PROBLEM

 

[Death.]

All suffering in life is caused by birth. Your parents were wholly responsible for giving birth to you. The source of your pain is your mother's womb.

You cannot experience pain if you don't exist.

 

[rntmss]

I didn't get along with my mother from when I was 12 all the way until I was into my mid 20s. Things were very bad when I was a teen. Called Child Protection Servies on her when I was 13 for hitting me. (They "found more evidence" lol that's a joke for another thread). We'd get into screaming matches on a weekly basis over the dumbest things.

As I got older, I started to see that she was just very deeply troubled. She grew up broke and abused by an alcoholic mother who defected from Nazi Germany. Her mother would tie her left hand behind her back because she was left handed. She didn't let her see my grandfather for most of her childhood.

She's not perfect, but she did the best with what she had. We have a great relationship now. I never thought we'd ever get along.

 

[faust]

Parents might be a problem. That is why I am child-free

 

[Jumper Geo]

Mother was an Angel, Father was a Demon.

You don't choose to come into this World but you can choose when you leave it.

 

[BabyYoda]

I would have appreciated it if my mom aborted me instead of bringing me to this world where I don't experience true love

 

[Lostandfound7]

I hated my mom growing up, we could never get along. I was extremely rebellious n just awful.. She became extremely strict to try n curb n protect me from me..

My mom worked hard (often 16hrs/day) as an RN and a single mom to provide for her 4 children..My late father was also very supportive.

Now looking back, I appreciate everything that she did n continues to do for me..Now, she is my biggest cheerleader n my backbone..

Whatever mistakes I made in life, I made. She did her very best n sacrificed so much for her children n grandchildren n continues to do so. ..

My parents were NEVER my problem..I was/am...

 

[Beachedwhale]

Yes. If you are unlucky enough they will mess you up and you will be left without the tools to help yourself live a relatively normal life.

 

[Rob1984]

I mean, OP only mentioned the major negative problems in our world. Someone could just as easily mention only positive things and make an argument there is only beauty in the world which is worth living for...

 

[S like Siren]

Absolutely! In my case my family is my problem.First of all they brought me into the world by passing me their shit genetics,then they thought well that this wasn't enough and they also decided to raise me like shit, so I grew up as a problematic person with big wounds that alone and without anyone's help I couldn't heal.
All this then led to the outbreak of severe depression at the age of 20 that has devoured even my soul.And icing on the cake they are guilty of making my depression worse to very serious levels. For seven years they enjoyed turning the knife in the sore instead of really helping me.Thank you Family, I hate you with all my heart.

 

[SuicideRun]

While I don't blame my parents for who I am, some couples should be prohibited from having children. However, I have noticed that many couples have children to solve their relationship problems, life problems, etc, etc ... Big, big mistake ...

 

[Makko]

My family never did wrong by me but I ran away from them anyway. Feels good.

 

[Insomniac]

Parents are evil, selfish and they are the source of suffering in this world. They only think about themselves when they give birth to a human being that didn't choose to exist in this hell called world.
This world is full of diseases, mental illnesses, wars, hunger, poverty, unemployment, natural disasters, bullies.. Etc and even though they know all this, they keep giving birth to children.
Giving birth is giving a death sentence.
I hate parents and I think they deserve to suffer!

Parents had parents too, who probably mistreated them.

BUT, it was their choice to pass down this pain and have children. Which is why I dislike my parents and feel ungrateful. They brought me here to use me for their own selfish ego needs.

and parents love isn't unconditional btw. It's a myth. Parents won't respect you or love you if you fail in life. They'll just try to tolerate you while making passive aggressive comments. and one day they'll start calling you a loser to your face and be unapologetically condescending and hateful :)

 

[sanction]

Parents had parents too, who probably mistreated them.

BUT, it was their choice to pass down this pain and have children. Which is why I dislike my parents and feel ungrateful. They brought me here to use me for their own selfish ego needs.

and parents love isn't unconditional btw. It's a myth. Parents won't respect you or love you if you fail in life. They'll just try to tolerate you while making passive aggressive comments. and one day they'll start calling you a loser to your face and be unapologetically condescending and hateful :)

Exactly. Its NEVER unconditional. At the end of the day, they expected you to bring them joy as a baby or child, also naturally enhancing their own (husband/ wife) relationship, and obviously accompany them through life, and perhaps during their old age they will have you (aka. their children) to help take care of them. Theres no free lunch at the end of the day. Its selfish to have children no matter how you view it.

PS: I mean it in a way where I'm not attacking any existing parents on this forum. Just in a general opinion. So existing parents on this forum please don't take it personal

 

[ThrownAwayTom]

Two people decided to fuck 28 years ago and now I have to pay bills for the rest of my life.

How is that fair?

 

[ConfusedAndWeird]

The thing I dislike about parents is that they have more of a say of what your life will be like than you do. They determine whether you're even born or not. They determine your race, birth religion, species, nationality, name, and in part, your appearance in general. They determine whether or not you have enough money to escape the poverty trap unless you somehow pull off a miracle without them. And if the life they give you is one that makes you completely miserable and you ask them to let you die, the best you could expect is "Please don't die it would make us sad. We love you." And if you point out that you would have to experience their death instead if you didn't commit suicide and that it would make you just as miserable they would say "but kids are supposed to endure the death of their parents. We're not supposed to deal with you dying."

So they love you but if you're in constant pain and misery because of their choices and you want it to just come to an end, then you can't because it would be inconvenient for them to deal with. I don't love my parents personally. My mother tries to be nice but I feel like it's mostly lip service with no effort to want my life to get better or let me make my own efforts to fix it. My father is a narcissist who thinks everyone except him is an idiot, including myself, and mostly had kids to force them into being dependent on him so he could develop a god complex about it. I don't care if either of them suffer because of my death because neither of them seem to care about the suffering I endure from being forced to live. And I would never have children because I feel it's wrong to drag people into the same world that I've hated since I was born and not give them an easy way out.

 

[FuneralCry]

I generally have a good relationship with my parents, but the fact that I was born in the first place is the cause of all of my problems. I have always struggled to cope with life and I wish I was never born really. I think I do have more of a problem with the fact that we lack a right to die, having this would make up for the fact that we were brought into this world without choice.

 

[slyna]

Parents are big nasty pigs

 

[aBLEACHyindividual]

Unattractive parents imo. Non-un-attractive people cannot have bad lives unless they make it bad for themselves.

 

[Kennish]

Well. The genetics I got from my parents were not good, indeed. I've always wished I had other parents, although I still love them. Not having a male role model as a boy is not good.
Don't wanna bore you guys with the whole story, but the genetics and environment I got delivered was not good for me.

 

[TotallyIsolated]

I have no memories of my mother from when I was very young, despite the fact that I can remember my dad and other things from that time.

She was terribly depressed but also quite controlling and spiteful. All I've ever wanted, even as a little kid, was for her to be happy.

I don't blame them per se, but I dont think my parents should have had a child.

 

[Neowise]

Unattractive parents imo. Non-un-attractive people cannot have bad lives unless they make it bad for themselves.

As if being in a relationship is the solution to all of your problems and causes for depression. You might want to consider failures in life (studies, work), abuse, violence, oppression, bad life choices, addictions, shitty genetics, lost job / no money, diseases, accidents, traumas and PTSD, discorders and genetically induced depression along your little theory.

Other than that I agree with parents being part of the problem. They created us out of selfishness and now expect us to be happy with their choice. And if we aren't happy we are psychos that belong to the ward. But the biggest psychos are they. Many reasons that trigger depression I listed above can be caused by parents (it's "abuse" for my case). I wished my parents never met.

 

[Insomniac]

Has there ever been a generational genocide in humanity? Like young adults turning against old folks and massacring them?

I heard about parents killing their babies as a cultural practice, but never heard of the opposite.

 

[blueclover_.]

i wish i could shout to my mom "I FUCKING HATE BEING ALIVE" oh I'm so ungratefullll

 

[eternalmelancholy]

My parents were abusive religious nutjobs that took out their frustrations out on me. All the years of abuse, isolation and neglect has warped my mind. My body is still broken from all the beatings I received.

If I had normal parents and a normal childhood, I know I wouldn't be in this situation right now. But I guess that is the lottery of life. You don't know what kind of parents you will have.

Even the worst parents don't think they were that bad. They always make excuses like "I tried my best" or "I fed you and put a roof over your head". It is pointless to engage with people like this.

 

[Darkover]

I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you aren't actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with its surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed, and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You are a plague. And we are the cure.