Discussion Pain during CTB

[NambaSutra]

I see a lot of threads where various methods are rejected as "too painful".

But what if pain is the point?

Plenty of people in the world die of war, torture, starvation, accidents, and plenty of other ways that sound super painful. And these are people who didn't necessarily even want to die.

Why does a suicidal person deserve a more painless death than all these other people?

So maybe the point is to choose a CTB method that will be painful but over relatively quickly.

 

[MrDarkness]

People fear pain, it's normal to want to die a peaceful death, you don't hear about soldiers wanting to die a gruesome death?

 

[lebrodude]

I think a painless death is something very few people are fortunate enough to have.

Even death by natural causes can be very painful and drawn out, never mind ctb.

 

[bunsïy]

I think that's the point though? All those deaths weren't planned and aren't really comparable to ctb. I think anyone suicidal or not would rather choose a painless death then have their last moments be horrible.

 

[NambaSutra]

I think that's the point though? All those deaths weren't planned and aren't really comparable to ctb. I think anyone suicidal or not would rather choose a painless death then have their last moments be horrible.

People use pain as an excuse to reject whatever method is being considered. In many cases it becomes an excuse not to CTB at all.

If someone isn't ready or doesn't really want to CTB and is just using this forum for fantasy or support then of course that's fine, but I'm just saying that most deaths have pain and maybe CTB is no different. Something to think about.

 

[bunsïy]

I agree most deaths do have pain and that's why there's nothing wrong with not wanting to pick a painful method for ctb, excuse or not. Death isn't an easy choice and is completely individualized to the person. That's why there are many methods to consider, part of that being pain level. Of course with anything in life things can go wrong and even a method deemed "painless" can turn out extremely different. That's why ctb overall shouldn't be something done without much thought/planning imo.

Besides there are many individuals who choose methods that are more extreme/painful. I don't think I've really seen others full on reject painful methods but just the ones that have too much risk involved like cutting for example.

At the end of the day people are gonna choose the method that works best for them when their time comes painful or not. That's the luxury we have compared to the deaths you mentioned.

 

[FuneralCry]

The problem is that with a more painful method the survival instinct is more likely to kick in which can cause the method to fail and failing just leads to more suffering, with potentially damage. I think the fear of failure is what most people fear and they fear pain during the dying process as they worry this will lead to them backing out.

And if someone struggles to ctb in this world where we are denied peaceful and reliable method options it doesn't necessarily mean they are any less serious about wanting to die, failing ctb and ending up in a worse situation sounds so horrible to me. Suicide isn't as straightforward as just enduring a bit of pain with guaranteed death at the end, suicide is purposely made so inaccessible for people after all, death on someone's own terms is different to someone dying at a time out of their control.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

If someone isn't ready or doesn't really want to CTB and is just using this forum for fantasy or support then of course that's fine, but I'm just saying that most deaths have pain and maybe CTB is no different. Something to think about.

Something else to think about is that a lot of suicidal people's lives are already filled with enormous pain - physical, emotional, psychological. If those people who want to CTB feel that, at least, their deaths should resemble somewhat of a peaceful nature, peace they've never had, or had very little of, in their lives, they have every right to pursue any means necessary to achieve that end, and moreover, as far as I'm concerned, every right to it, if that is their desire.