Discussion On the usefulness of benzos against SI

[Cryptonite]

I'd like to share some very subjective experience regarding benzos' influence on SI. In the hope that more members of SS can get little bit of an inspiration for their own experiments.

Today, in the morning, I tried to hold my SN bottle in an attempt to get myself used to it, but I felt very scared. But right now, under the influence of benzos, I could feel that my fear has been decreased significantly. I was able to hold the SN bottle, walk around the room with it, touch it from all sides, with no major problems and fear.

Although benzos are generally considered supplementary, I still think their potential is still underappreciated.

What's your experience? What do you think about this?

 

[thethatsitboy]

I use benzos from a long time. it reduces anxiety the most and I think maybe that should be your point.

without or with benzos I can hold my SN, I can prepare the mix with water, etc. I believe it don't reduce SI, just anxiety.
and anxiety can be a big problem. from what I see, it was your problem with handling SN. but anxiety isn't SI and we'll just know what's SI when we are there

 

[damaged_soul]

I use benzos from a long time. it reduces anxiety the most and I think maybe that should be your point.

without or with benzos I can hold my SN, I can prepare the mix with water, etc. I believe it don't reduce SI, just anxiety.
and anxiety can be a big problem. from what I see, it was your problem with handling SN. but anxiety isn't SI and we'll just know what's SI when we are there

That's the scariest part of it for me, we don't know what's SI until we get there. I don't have a lot of SI currently (I've gotten very sick before and I didn't go to the ER because I was ok with dying) but I'm scared that when I take SN, I'll get a bunch of SI and freak out and go to the ER.

 

[Cryptonite]

I report that I've increased the dose once more and taken 30mg of diazepam. The anxiety regarding death seems even lower. At one point, I almost felt like being happy about my CBT. I put sodium chloride (ordinary salt) into a cup, drank it and spent 20 mins in bed pretending I'm gonna die. I was fine with that. I know it's still not anywhere near the real attempt with SN. However, I still feel I'm getting much more confident that I can do it eventually. I believe that thorough preparation is the key, because it leads to desenzitivization. And that benzos are not just an additional supplement, but a key component to the whole process. I'm now an advocate for generally higher doses for benzos – What doesn't make you fall asleep is going to help you.

 

[ManicPanic2018]

I've Just started taking clonazepam. Hell of a drug. Won't be CTBing till likely this weekend but I'm sure thus stuff is good. Hardly any brain capacity, can't imagine i'd get SI on it. But who the fuck knows until the time comes. Will make a goodbye thread if I do go through with it and describe it a bit better

 

[Hope:-)]

This is why I was trying to source them. I had read on the sn successes thread someone say 'valium really helps to not care' so after that I felt like I had to get them. Tried to do it without. God was I scared X

Edited to add: Does anyone know whether benzos keep you a lot calmer when it comes to struggling to breathe during it and symptoms such as that, and whether they dull any pain? Thanks.

 

[Cryptonite]

This is why I was trying to source them. I had read on the sn successes thread someone say 'valium really helps to not care' so after that I felt like I had to get them. Tried to do it without. God was I scared X

Edited to add: Does anyone know whether benzos keep you a lot calmer when it comes to struggling to breathe during it and symptoms such as that, and whether they dull any pain? Thanks.

I would say painkillers such as paracetamol or ibuprofen help the pain better, although benzos could help you care less about the pain. As far as breathing is concerned, I think you will be unconscious before it starts to bother you very much.

 

[ManicPanic2018]

Big agree on the "they stop making you care" side. As forwht they'll be like on the day of taking SN, no way to know until then. But from what I've gathered so far, I wouldn't wanting to be ctb'ing without these now.

 

[Hope:-)]

Does anyone know how many benzos are recommended for the sn method? Any feedback much appreciated. x

 

[AliceTheGoon]

I put sodium chloride (ordinary salt) into a cup, drank it and spent 20 mins in bed pretending I'm gonna die. I was fine with that.

lol that's pretty good. How much salt? I dissolved ~22g in 50ml water and it was so vile I could barely touch the tip of my tongue to it. I'll have diazepam soon so I'll experiment a little.

 

[Cryptonite]

lol that's pretty good. How much salt? I dissolved ~22g in 50ml water and it was so vile I could barely touch the tip of my tongue to it. I'll have diazepam soon so I'll experiment a little.

Try mouth numbing lozenges (with lidocaine and/or benzocaine) and you can also rinse your mouth in a mouthwash afterwards. Plus, if you're on benzos, you will care less.

Does anyone know how many benzos are recommended for the sn method? Any feedback much appreciated. x

It is very individual (weight, fasting and personal metabolism are some of the factors), so I would just keep experimenting until you reach the highest dose that will make you fully in control of your actions and not make you fall asleep prematurely. In regards to the specific kind of benzos, alprazolam and diazepam both work comparably well for me.

 

[Lost Magic]

Good post. I wouldn't attempt to ctb without benzos, Xanax or something similar. Anxiety and fear are driving factors in survival instinct. So, it makes sense to take something that would reduce those feelings. Propranolol is also useful because it reduces heart-palpitations, sweating and shaking. I'll be taking both in reasonably high quantities.

 

[AliceTheGoon]

Try mouth numbing lozenges (with lidocaine and/or benzocaine) and you can also rinse your mouth in a mouthwash afterwards. Plus, if you're on benzos, you will care less.

I have generic orajel it is really strong. How much salt did you drink?

 

[Cryptonite]

I have generic orajel it is really strong. How much salt did you drink?

I wish we could have Orajel in Europe. I guess EU banned benzocaine, all the medicine is no longer available. But we still have lidocaine, hopefully it'll work similarly well.

I don't know exactly, didn't measure, but I estimate 20g, the recommended amount for SN.

 

[Hope:-)]

I thought the PPH recommended a specific amount? Someone here said they recommend loads.

 

[Cryptonite]

I thought the PPH recommended a specific amount? Someone here said they recommend loads.

Personally, I wouldn't take PPH as the Bible. It is a good starting point, just as any resources here on SS, but everyone should find find what personally suits them the best.

 

[AliceTheGoon]

I don't know exactly, didn't measure, but I estimate 20g, the recommended amount for SN.

omg you drank 20g of salt?? lol I think in that case you have overcome SI or something very close to it.

 

[Cryptonite]

omg you drank 20g of salt?? lol I think in that case you have overcome SI or something very close to it.

Hah, I didn't even know it was so much over the recommended daily intake. But I remember not everything was dissolved, so it was probably more like 10g.

omg you drank 20g of salt?? lol I think in that case you have overcome SI or something very close to it.

Well, now I can feel the symptoms, clear bowel uneasiness, LOL

 

[wljourney]

I thought the PPH recommended a specific amount? Someone here said they recommend loads.

Dose depends on which benzo you are able to get.
1 mg of X doesn't have the same effect as 1 mg of Y.

The PPeH suggests quite a lot of Oxazepam. (Something like 30x30mg if I recall correctly).
The normal dosing is 1x15 or 30mg and it can take 1-2 hrs to fully be effective.

As an example: Lorazepam is normally dosed in 1 mg increments and takes effect within 30 minutes.

So: you can use a different Benzo, but you would adjust the dosage accordingly down.

 

[Hope:-)]

I have generic orajel it is really strong. How much salt did you drink?

This may be a stupid question but is orajel flavoured and is the flavour palatable in and of itself?

 

[AliceTheGoon]

This may be a stupid question but is orajel flavoured and is the flavour palatable in and of itself?

It's a minty toothpaste flavor but the numbing sensation totally overwhelms it. Fun fact: the active ingredient is known to cause the same blood disorder as SN.

 

[WaitingForMyRide]

I was just about to make a thread about this, crazy. The right benzos can obliterate SI while still being coherent enough to CTB. The heavier research chemical benzos will certainly kill SI. I speak from experience and took flunitrazolam before shooting myself with buckshot. It's like the SI switch was disconnected and I didn't even really feel that much pain at first. I took a massive dose.

 

[Cryptonite]

It's a minty toothpaste flavor but the numbing sensation totally overwhelms it. Fun fact: the active ingredient is known to cause the same blood disorder as SN.

I really don't understand why they had to ban benzocaine in the EU, when it works so well

Yesterday, I bought lozenges with ten times lidocaine than the last time and the numbing was still too mild

I was just about to make a thread about this, crazy. The right benzos can obliterate SI while still being coherent enough to CTB. The heavier research chemical benzos will certainly kill SI. I speak from experience and took flunitrazolam before shooting myself with buckshot. It's like the SI switch was disconnected and I didn't even really feel that much pain at first. I took a massive dose.

Exactly. I wouldn't probably listen to PPH and other guides, who recommend a rather conservative dose. Raise the dose until you're unfocused too much to go through with CTB.

Today, I took 4mg of Xanax at once (= 60mg diazepam) for the first time (my starting dose was 0.5mg) and still very good, despite a little bit of uncoordinated movement which made me spill a few drops of SN drink on my leg (which I immediately cleaned). But it was probably more because of the lack of good preparation and experience, it was my first time preparing the SN drink.

 

[leeloosnow]

ty for the contributions here. i hope to use rc bnzos + sn currently. i'd had probs holding onto scripts b/c the bnzos help so much with my mindset, but i'm clearly not responsible with a regular script. thats come in handy a lot tho for episodes of severe anxiety/depression. havnt really tried getting rc bnzos tho, so, hopefully this week i'll have progress on that and will be one of the very last things to get in place for plan to be all set.

 

[Sammie]

I report that I've increased the dose once more and taken 30mg of diazepam. The anxiety regarding death seems even lower. At one point, I almost felt like being happy about my CBT. I put sodium chloride (ordinary salt) into a cup, drank it and spent 20 mins in bed pretending I'm gonna die. I was fine with that. I know it's still not anywhere near the real attempt with SN. However, I still feel I'm getting much more confident that I can do it eventually. I believe that thorough preparation is the key, because it leads to desenzitivization. And that benzos are not just an additional supplement, but a key component to the whole process. I'm now an advocate for generally higher doses for benzos – What doesn't make you fall asleep is going to help you.

Will a psychiatrist normally prescribe benzos for anxiety and panic attacks? What if they want to prescribe an antidepressant that has antianxiety properties instead?

 

[Cryptonite]

Will a psychiatrist normally prescribe benzos for anxiety and panic attacks? What if they want to prescribe an antidepressant that has antianxiety properties instead?

Only benzos will have the desired effects. If you cannot obtain them from a psychiatrist (which shouldn't be too hard, just say you need some of them for the worst moments and you don't want to misuse them), then you can always order them on the dark web (e. g. Alphabay).

 

[Sammie]

Hah, I didn't even know it was so much over the recommended daily intake. But I remember not everything was dissolved, so it was probably more like 10g.

Well, now I can feel the symptoms, clear bowel uneasiness, LOL

Yeah, have u ever heard of the salt water cleanse? Haha I've had slow bowel motility all my life, severe digestive motility disorders so when I read about the salt water cleanse I jumped up on it quickly. It was a lot of sea salt but a lot more water than with sn. I guess one would say vile, but when there is great will for a purpose, anything can be accomplished.

Only benzos will have the desired effects. If you cannot obtain them from a psychiatrist (which shouldn't be too hard, just say you need some of them for the worst moments and you don't want to misuse them), then you can always order them on the dark web (e. g. Alphabay).

Thank you, that was a quick reply!
W

ty for the contributions here. i hope to use rc bnzos + sn currently. i'd had probs holding onto scripts b/c the bnzos help so much with my mindset, but i'm clearly not responsible with a regular script. thats come in handy a lot tho for episodes of severe anxiety/depression. havnt really tried getting rc bnzos tho, so, hopefully this week i'll have progress on that and will be one of the very last things to get in place for plan to be all set.

How do u get them safely?

 

[leeloosnow]

How do u get them safely?

i plan to check local head shops first. if that fails, i will try to verify online sources then move forward.

 

[Cryptonite]

Yeah, have u ever heard of the salt water cleanse? Haha I've had slow bowel motility all my life, severe digestive motility disorders so when I read about the salt water cleanse I jumped up on it quickly. It was a lot of sea salt but a lot more water than with sn. I guess one would say vile, but when there is great will for a purpose, anything can be accomplished.

Thank you, that was a quick reply!
W

How do u get them safely?

i plan to check local head shops first. if that fails, i will try to verify online sources then move forward.

Darkweb is a surprisingly safe and legit source, if you know what to do, and the prices are reasonable

 

[Hope:-)]

So is orajel worth it guys or it the numbing disconcerting? I'm also getting benedryl because apparently 50mg treats the movement issues meto can cause.

Does anyone from any tests they've done got any idea how much clonazepam a regular sized woman should take before ctb? I have 16mg as I've already taken 2 2mg tablets- I can't take any more as I don't want to waste them. I KNOW I want to ctb, it's just the doing of it that's hard so I will have to be slightly off my face. I have a digital scale, measurement marked beakers, 3 glasses the meto milk of magnesia ibuprofen propranalol everything I need. However I know this is a no no but I am thinking of using a little vodka to give me the courage to drink. I'm more likely to vomit but I figure I'll just drink the second glass. What do you think?