Discussion On the usefulness of benzos against SI

[wljourney]

Does anyone from any tests they've done got any idea how much clonazepam a regular sized woman should take before ctb? I have 16mg as I've already taken 2 2mg tablets- I can't take any more as I don't want to waste them.

You can look up (google) the normal dosing of clonazepam. It starts with 0.5 mg 3x a day but can go up to 5mg 3x a day.
If I were you, I would probably try no more than 5mg and see if it has the intended effect. Leaving you enough spares just in case.

Just one thing: I recall taking benzos and my suicidal ideations disappeared. The drugs just made me so relaxed that I simply didn't care anymore if I lived or died. So, while some report that it kills the SI and makes CTB easier, it can absolutely also work the other way and kill your wish to CTB.

It's helpful to be mentally prepared for that possibility and not get upset about it in that moment (or the day after).

 

[Hope:-)]

clonazepam seems to cause me the rare side effect of nausea, I'm going to persevere but don't feel great, does this wear off?

 

[wljourney]

clonazepam seems to cause me the rare side effect of nausea, I'm going to persevere but don't feel great, does this wear off?

Oh that's interesting. Huh. Maybe it's worth addressing with the prescriber (if you got an Rx for it) and see if there is an alternative available.

IMO clonazepam is a very mellow drug. It's long acting and just "takes the edge off", compared to other benzos that work faster and with a bit more "ump". Doctors love to prescribe clonazepam first because it's less addictive/less likely to be used recreationally. Be prepared to be offered off-label antipsychotics first, before they are willing to Rx faster acting benzos.

 

[Hope:-)]

Quick update: I vomited absolutely everywhere. I feel better because it's not in my system anymore but apparently nausea is a very rare occurrence and I still got it. Maybe I need something like lorazepam or diazepam. Feeling a little low about it. On the plus side, vomiting is not so bad and that's something I have to get used to for the sn method.

Does anyone know if I can take milk of magnesia with it to lessen the nausea or is it a lost cause?

 

[wljourney]

Quick update: I vomited absolutely everywhere. I feel better because it's not in my system anymore but apparently nausea is a very rare occurrence and I still got it. Maybe I need something like lorazepam or diazepam. Feeling a little low about it. On the plus side, vomiting is not so bad and that's something I have to get used to for the sn method.

Does anyone know if I can take milk of magnesia with it to lessen the nausea or is it a lost cause?

That sounds more like an intolerance to the drug (or some of it's ingredients) TBH.
If you get violently sick from just 2 mg I would not recommend taking more of it. Milk of magnesia or any other drug won't be able to cover that if you have an intolerance (allergy).
Better try a different benzo.

 

[Hope:-)]

I have no tolerance for benzodiazepines. Could I have pretty much OD'D on them relative to the zero tolerance I have and could that be why I vomited? I vomited even more and do feel better,

 

[wljourney]

I have no tolerance for benzodiazepines. Could I have pretty much OD'D on them relative to the zero tolerance I have and could that be why I vomited? I vomited even more and do feel better,

I don't think you can overdose on 2 mg Clonazepam. 2 mg equals a daily starting dose (3-4x 0.5mg) and is quite low.

What you are describing sounds more like an intolerance (as in allergy). A true allergy would give you breathing problems, swelling, allergic shock symptoms. It would require emergency support like an epi pen or taking you to the ER.
An intolerance opposed to an allergic reaction means your body expels the drug (vomiting) and you feel better when it's out of your system. (Think of "lactose intolerance".)


It's very rare but it can happen.

 

[tiny_dancer]

Just one thing: I recall taking benzos and my suicidal ideations disappeared. The drugs just made me so relaxed that I simply didn't care anymore if I lived or died.

Uh oh, I think this happens to me, at least with clonazepam. I have to play around with doses and see if that's definitely the case. Do you think it would be different with a different benzo?

 

[Sammie]

Darkweb is a surprisingly safe and legit source, if you know what to do, and the prices are reasonable

Wow really? I've never tried it, would have to figure it out. But I always thought opposite, that it could be highly shady, dangerous etc.

I was just about to make a thread about this, crazy. The right benzos can obliterate SI while still being coherent enough to CTB. The heavier research chemical benzos will certainly kill SI. I speak from experience and took flunitrazolam before shooting myself with buckshot. It's like the SI switch was disconnected and I didn't even really feel that much pain at first. I took a massive dose.

Omg you survived a buckshot? Where did you shoot yourself, was it an attempt to ctb?

 

[ManicPanic2018]

I have no tolerance for benzodiazepines. Could I have pretty much OD'D on them relative to the zero tolerance I have and could that be why I vomited? I vomited even more and do feel better,

Fuck, sorry to hear they've not worked well for you :(

I will admit, 2mg Clonazepam was initial very strong for me too, and I'm a borderline drug addled maniac. All I could recommend would be to halve / quarter those pills and try again maybe. It could also be the anxiety of them being related to CTB'ing that's causing you to feel sick?

There are still other ways to try and lower anxiety, I'm sure you'll find something tht works <3

 

[Cryptonite]

You can look up (google) the normal dosing of clonazepam. It starts with 0.5 mg 3x a day but can go up to 5mg 3x a day.
If I were you, I would probably try no more than 5mg and see if it has the intended effect. Leaving you enough spares just in case.

Just one thing: I recall taking benzos and my suicidal ideations disappeared. The drugs just made me so relaxed that I simply didn't care anymore if I lived or died. So, while some report that it kills the SI and makes CTB easier, it can absolutely also work the other way and kill your wish to CTB.

It's helpful to be mentally prepared for that possibility and not get upset about it in that moment (or the day after).

It's very true, benzos can work both ways. Either help to overcome SI or reduce your suicidal ideations. That's why the "mental homework" is still so important.

So is orajel worth it guys or it the numbing disconcerting? I'm also getting benedryl because apparently 50mg treats the movement issues meto can cause.

Does anyone from any tests they've done got any idea how much clonazepam a regular sized woman should take before ctb? I have 16mg as I've already taken 2 2mg tablets- I can't take any more as I don't want to waste them. I KNOW I want to ctb, it's just the doing of it that's hard so I will have to be slightly off my face. I have a digital scale, measurement marked beakers, 3 glasses the meto milk of magnesia ibuprofen propranalol everything I need. However I know this is a no no but I am thinking of using a little vodka to give me the courage to drink. I'm more likely to vomit but I figure I'll just drink the second glass. What do you think?

My very personal opinion with benzos is to take a maximum dose that will still keep you focused. Dosage is very subjective. Yesterday, I took 4mg of xanax (with very little tolerance built up) and felt it was almost an ideal amount for CTB. Other people would end up literally in coma for one day after 4mg, LOL. If you have limited supply of benzos, you can try going to the doctor or ordering from the darkweb.

P. S. I've just read you vomited after clonazepam. That's very strange... maybe trying alprazolam or diazepam would be a good idea. Benzos shouldn't make you vomit.

Wow really? I've never tried it, would have to figure it out. But I always thought opposite, that it could be highly shady, dangerous etc.

Actually they have a review system (just like on Ebay for example) which puts scammers quickly out of business.

 

[Hope:-)]

Fuck, sorry to hear they've not worked well for you :(

I will admit, 2mg Clonazepam was initial very strong for me too, and I'm a borderline drug addled maniac. All I could recommend would be to halve / quarter those pills and try again maybe. It could also be the anxiety of them being related to CTB'ing that's causing you to feel sick?

There are still other ways to try and lower anxiety, I'm sure you'll find something tht works <3

I think they might have been too strong. I'm going to quarter the pills. x

 

[ManicPanic2018]

I think they might have been too strong. I'm going to quarter the pills. x

Sounds like a plan. Give us a shout if you need anything <3

 

[Obliviate]

I report that I've increased the dose once more and taken 30mg of diazepam. The anxiety regarding death seems even lower. At one point, I almost felt like being happy about my CBT. I put sodium chloride (ordinary salt) into a cup, drank it and spent 20 mins in bed pretending I'm gonna die. I was fine with that. I know it's still not anywhere near the real attempt with SN. However, I still feel I'm getting much more confident that I can do it eventually. I believe that thorough preparation is the key, because it leads to desenzitivization. And that benzos are not just an additional supplement, but a key component to the whole process. I'm now an advocate for generally higher doses for benzos – What doesn't make you fall asleep is going to help you.

This is so smart. I would inhale a little bit of argon to get used to it or put my exit bag over my head.

 

[wljourney]

Uh oh, I think this happens to me, at least with clonazepam. I have to play around with doses and see if that's definitely the case. Do you think it would be different with a different benzo?

Yes I think it's possible.
Either it's the additives in the drug, the drug itself or the starting dose that is making you nauseous.

I would try a different kind of drug and start with a fairly low dose.

 

[tiny_dancer]

Yes I think it's possible.
Either it's the additives in the drug, the drug itself or the starting dose that is making you nauseous.

I would try a different kind of drug and start with a fairly low dose.

I don't get nauseous from it thankfully, just indifferent. I'll try another benzo either way. Thank you!

 

[Hope:-)]

I don't think you can overdose on 2 mg Clonazepam. 2 mg equals a daily starting dose (3-4x 0.5mg) and is quite low.

What you are describing sounds more like an intolerance (as in allergy). A true allergy would give you breathing problems, swelling, allergic shock symptoms. It would require emergency support like an epi pen or taking you to the ER.
An intolerance opposed to an allergic reaction means your body expels the drug (vomiting) and you feel better when it's out of your system. (Think of "lactose intolerance".)


It's very rare but it can happen.

God. My luck. I didn't want to go into the shared kitchen so I took it with Diet Coke. Could that be the reason?

 

[Cryptonite]

God. My luck. I didn't want to go into the shared kitchen so I took it with Diet Coke. Could that be the reason?

If you used just a little to help you swallow it, I don't think that would be the problem

 

[Hope:-)]

If you used just a little to help you swallow it, I don't think that would be the problem

Ahhh I'm really disappointed tbh. I don't have means to get any other benzos. I will try reducing the dose. See if that helps.

 

[WaitingForMyRide]

I really don't understand why they had to ban benzocaine in the EU, when it works so well

Yesterday, I bought lozenges with ten times lidocaine than the last time and the numbing was still too mild

Exactly. I wouldn't probably listen to PPH and other guides, who recommend a rather conservative dose. Raise the dose until you're unfocused too much to go through with CTB.

Today, I took 4mg of Xanax at once (= 60mg diazepam) for the first time (my starting dose was 0.5mg) and still very good, despite a little bit of uncoordinated movement which made me spill a few drops of SN drink on my leg (which I immediately cleaned). But it was probably more because of the lack of good preparation and experience, it was my first time preparing the SN drink.

Uhhh the benzo overdose kills the SI man, it doesn't fuck with your will to CTB. It makes it smoother. Most people don't get retarded from benzos but a few do. I can take my whole Klonopin script and take a sobriety test. And the PPH changes its methods up more than a transexual hooker.

 

[LONE WOLF.]

I've Just started taking clonazepam. Hell of a drug. Won't be CTBing till likely this weekend but I'm sure thus stuff is good. Hardly any brain capacity, can't imagine i'd get SI on it. But who the fuck knows until the time comes. Will make a goodbye thread if I do go through with it and describe it a bit better

My quack says 2mg of Clonazepam is equal to 20mg of Diazepam? I'm not sure if l believe him as l'm now getting 70 Diazepam a week and I wish l was back on 8/2mg Clonazepam!

 

[drowninginadesert]

There's a useful link (Table 1, plus the whole site in general) giving comparison of 10mg diazepam (Valium) to a range of commonly prescribed benzodiazepines...

Comparison of 10mg diazepam

 

[Hope:-)]

I took 2mg Clonazepam with zero tolerance and that was a bit too high for me. 0.5mg is good for me to take in one dose.

And yes, they definitely help with SI. Once I'd taken them I could imagine myself getting up and drinking the sn.

 

[drowninginadesert]

Another version of the chart... anxiolytic = anti-anxiety, hypnotic = anti-insomnia. Half life is amount of time it takes for a dose to reduce to half in the blood.

 

[Hope:-)]

Another version of the chart... anxiolytic = anti-anxiety, hypnotic = anti-insomnia. Half life is amount of time it takes for a dose to reduce to half in the blood.
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Thanks for the chart. So, is 2mg Clonazepam quite a high dose to take in one go with zero to little tolerance build up? I mean it's equivalent to 40mg Diazepam...is that a lot of Diazepam do you know? Thanks.

 

[drowninginadesert]

You would have to look up the individual drug (https://www.drugs.com/dosage/clonazepam.html) but it says clonazepam is usually 0.25 to 0.5mg starting dose (for panic attack/anxiety) twice a day, up to 4 mg/daily max.

It might be confusing, clonazepam is sometimes is used in very high doses (20mg/day), but only for seizures - in very complex situations.

 

[Sammie]

It's very true, benzos can work both ways. Either help to overcome SI or reduce your suicidal ideations. That's why the "mental homework" is still so important.

My very personal opinion with benzos is to take a maximum dose that will still keep you focused. Dosage is very subjective. Yesterday, I took 4mg of xanax (with very little tolerance built up) and felt it was almost an ideal amount for CTB. Other people would end up literally in coma for one day after 4mg, LOL. If you have limited supply of benzos, you can try going to the doctor or ordering from the darkweb.

P. S. I've just read you vomited after clonazepam. That's very strange... maybe trying alprazolam or diazepam would be a good idea. Benzos shouldn't make you vomit.


Actually they have a review system (just like on Ebay for example) which puts scammers quickly out of business.

Interesting (about the dark web info)....is Lorazepam a good benzo?

 

[Cryptonite]

Interesting (about the dark web info)....is Lorazepam a good benzo?

From what I've heard, any benzo is comparable

I've personally tried alprazolam and diazepam with similar effects

 

[LONE WOLF.]

I've Just started taking clonazepam. Hell of a drug. Won't be CTBing till likely this weekend but I'm sure thus stuff is good. Hardly any brain capacity, can't imagine i'd get SI on it. But who the fuck knows until the time comes. Will make a goodbye thread if I do go through with it and describe it a bit better

Yep Clonazepam is a excellent medication, as 2mg is 20mg of Valium, l was on 14 Clonazepam a week for 5 year's until my Dingbat of a quack changed my script and put me on 70-2mg of Valium instead! NHS-Quack's are so bloody Stupid!!!

 

[Hell-On-Earth]

Just be careful when using benzos, I blacked out and failed my SN attempt because I took too many. Ended up getting sectioned.