On a scale pro-life (anti-choice), pro-choice or pro-death where would you see yourself? (1-10)

[0000000000000]

Pro-choice. I don't give a fuck what anyone else does with their own lives as long as no one tells me what to do with mine.

I have no problem with people wanting to live 100+ years as long as they don't drag me into their shit.

 

[kovu]

we could all kill ourselves today or not kill ourselves at all, l honestly don't get this thinking along the lines of suicide being some righteous cause, an ideology which must be defended. It's juvenile imo.

I just realised how old your reply is, but I've already written an entire reply myself, so I'm just going to post it nonetheless.

Suicide is a taboo topic, and the only way to change that is to start a discourse on it. Many people who might be inclined to end their lives might also be mentally/physically incapable of doing so, at least when left to their own devices. Some people are crippled from previous attempts that went wrong, and some may have a mental illness, such as severe social anxiety, that precludes them from going & getting (materials, drugs, etc.), from leaving their room, even. Many people might not be keen on attempting due to the abundance of accounts of attempts that ended tragically -- tragically, but not with the death of the attemptee. If you could enter a controlled environment with, e.g., medical professionals, be administered drugs which aren't easy to come by, and, thereby, assured a safe and painless death, regardless of your current physical or mental condition and your reason for wanting that death, that would indeed render this thread sort of pointless.

I wouldn't say that we could all, right now, kill ourselves. For many people, though, it would begin to be feasible if there was greater acceptance. The idea that one might one day walk into a hospital and request their own death may be ludicrous, but it's also ludicrous to assume that everyone could, at all times, just up and kill themselves successfully.

Also, threads like this help to pass the time for those who come here for respite from their lives and want to spend some time with like-minded people. Not every thread must be a goodbye, method, vent, or help thread. Of course, the metric could've been better defined, but I'd say that, in contrast to something like the also-in-this-thread-mentioned 1-10 pain scale question, it is easier to evaluate your standing on something like this than on something as subjective as pain, which is harder for the affected individual to quantify than their opinion on death, which they've probably mulled over for quite some time if they're visitors of this forum.

 

[JesiBel]

5-10

Pro-choice: It's your life, do what you want with it. Everyone takes charge of their problems as best they can and "saves" themselves in the same way. You decide how long to endure your existence, it is your pain and suffering, your flesh and mind.

Pro-death: Nothing evil here, we're all going to die. Each person will know whether to seek for it, or fear and wait for it sadly; it is not something that can be avoided. It's the merciful peace that will take us away from this world. For me it is salvation.
Life is full of unpleasant surprises, and having a quick and readily available method of suicide would be ideal, in my opinion. With so many wars and conflicts... before falling into the hands of lunatics who might torture, rape, or commit some atrocity on you... it's better to erase yourself from this world first.
And no, I am not in favor of murderers, terrorists or criminals. That has nothing to do with this.

 

[nobody_oac]

5: Pro-choice

Everyone should have the ability to decide what they want for their life. As long as you don't harm others or impede their life choices, then have at it.

 

[Griever]

Pro-choice

 

[22yearsbroken]

Solid 5... my life my choice.. to decide whats best for me in everything i do and anyone who knows me .. there tour choices in life .. never let anyone tell you other wise

 

[Namelesa]

maybe like 6.66-7

I am totally for assisted suicide for anyone and to allow anyone of any age to die if they want to as we were forced into this life so its totally fair to leave at any time we want to. Also I don't see any consequences to death for the person that die as I would say after death is non existence where you can't be disadvantaged in any way as you can't feel, do, desire, fear or regret anything. With this thinking I see life and death as this:

good/neutral life = death
bad life < death

Which probably makes me lean more on the death side of things as I don't see death being worse to life in anyway but sometimes life can be equal to it so you can't say I am fully promortalist. Also in some cases it would be better for someone to stay alive, not for themselves but that they benefit others lives but only if their life doesn't negatively impact themselves. I also discourage parents from dying as they need to look after their children so they can don't suffer greatly and have a good start with this dangerous world, especially if the parents are the child's biological ones as they forced them here in the first place (tho exceptions go to parents who had children cus of sa.)

Ultimately tho for the general person its up to them what risks, pain and suffering they want to take and whats preferable to them, whether that is the pain and risks of life or the pain and risks of the dying process and whether they want to benefit others with their life or not.

 

[matchalavendercake]

completely pro-choice and a bit nearing pro-death, bcs personally i've rlly been suffering so fucking much throughout this life and at this point i don't want any help at all so i refuse to get any kind of help including therapy.

 

[LaetumCat]

8/10. In my opinion, with the exception of impulsive decisions, everyone should be able to die with no questions asked. Due to SI, most people already see death as a last resort, so no need to add to the difficulty.

You put my thoughts into words perfectly! Ty, and I very much agree.

 

[Chinaski]

Zero out of ten

 

[Pluto]

 

[The Actual Devil]

6.66

I knew my ears were burning.

 

[Cauliflour]

Really depends on the situation. I don't want to be general here.

 

[GeminiButter]

It feels funny and somewhat ironic that I've possibly got different views than lots of people on here.

When it comes to the right to access abortion, I'm extremely pro choice- on demand, as little barriers as possible, I'll never not be. This is something I've put years of my life into fighting for and I'm extremely passionate about.

I used to be in favour of assisted suicide for a long time, but now I'm not, primarily because of the practicalities of what this would do where I live to disabled people in the absence of proper palliative care, hospice care, meaningful choice and the ability and support for disabled people to have choices to live, rather than just the option to die. If it was a utopia where we had everything possible to live, I'd probably support it, but I've got no faith in the state or institutions to make that a reality.

It's ironic because I have still myself spent a lot of time researching Dignitas, and feel like I don't ever want to encourage or support someone to commit suicide (I know, I know!) because I do truly believe every person has the right to live meaningfully (eg I'm anti death penalty) and that for the vast majority of people who want to commit suicide, it's an indication of their mental health which I do truly believe people can recover from. But of course I don't see it that way when it comes to my own life!

I guess it's okay to acknowledge we are full of contradictions as humans and despite my dislike of something not making logical sense (like my own views), doesn't mean that it isn't the case, even if I do feel like a bit of a hypocrite.

 

[The Actual Devil]

It feels funny and somewhat ironic that I've possibly got different views than lots of people on here.

When it comes to the right to access abortion, I'm extremely pro choice- on demand, as little barriers as possible, I'll never not be. This is something I've put years of my life into fighting for and I'm extremely passionate about.

I used to be in favour of assisted suicide for a long time, but now I'm not, primarily because of the practicalities of what this would do where I live to disabled people in the absence of proper palliative care, hospice care, meaningful choice and the ability and support for disabled people to have choices to live, rather than just the option to die. If it was a utopia where we had everything possible to live, I'd probably support it, but I've got no faith in the state or institutions to make that a reality.

It's ironic because I have still myself spent a lot of time researching Dignitas, and feel like I don't ever want to encourage or support someone to commit suicide (I know, I know!) because I do truly believe every person has the right to live meaningfully (eg I'm anti death penalty) and that for the vast majority of people who want to commit suicide, it's an indication of their mental health which I do truly believe people can recover from. But of course I don't see it that way when it comes to my own life!

I guess it's okay to acknowledge we are full of contradictions as humans and despite my dislike of something not making logical sense (like my own views), doesn't mean that it isn't the case, even if I do feel like a bit of a hypocrite.

I think most of us here primarily wish the world wasn't so shit in the first place. If we had that level of control, we'd fix that, rather than think about the merits of CTB. It's not a contradiction: it's pragmatism. Yes, almost everyone here would push for egalitarianism if it were realistic. Instead, we wax on about CTB rights, because that feels at least plausible. Call it pessimism or cynicism or whatever, but most of us base our beliefs on euthanasia according to the way the world is, rather than always qualifying it with "well, I wouldn't be saying this if life didn't suck, but..." It's just the part that goes without saying here.

 

[VoidButterfly]

I'd say 4. Ultimately it should be a matter of choice, but that choice should favour life where possible. We have the rest of eternity to be dead, so my instinct is to say let's be careful to not rush into it without overcoming the presemption of life. When it has been overcome is up to the individual, but they should be given every opportunity to not.