Venting Normies are so goddamn ignorant about suicide

[EmbraceOfTheVoid]

I just got through reading and skimming through comments on a Reddit thread involving euthanasia/suicide & the sheer amount of misinformation being spread about suicide genuinely infuriates me. There are:

-People claiming that suicide is a product of "mental illness" or that the person isn't in their right mind as a means to discredit their choice as craziness. This is nothing short of bullshit and circular logic; simply being suicidal makes you irrational to these morons.

-Normal people claiming that all problems are fixable and that there is tangible forms of relief out there. I've never gotten any of this meaningful "help" that they are talking about. Are you going to give me paychecks, a house? No? Then shut up.

-Impulsive suicidal people on there claiming that they are glad they didn't commit suicide and that their life is all peachy which falsely perpetuates the idea that suicide is mostly impulsive when it couldn't be further from the truth.

-Normies believing that they are helping people by having them tossed into a psychiatric prison.



This is why I mostly stay off of Reddit, it's full of ignorant privileged people that think they have some special insight into life when they don't know shit. Rant over.

 

[WornOutLife]

I stay off Reddit for the same reason.
I've discussed a few times about suicide, trying to have a nice and coherent conversation but it was pointless. I ended up being reported lol

 

[Superdeterminist]

God, I hate that "not in their right mind" argument. I'd wager that the vast majority of suicidal people are perfectly rational. A desire for death doesn't automatically make you irrational. Their heads are clear - they just feel betrayed by life.

 

[wordsonscreen]

Anyone who deviates from the norm is automatically crazy :) Anything that gives us an ounce of power and freedom is illegal.

 

[saltshaker]

After a brief look are a lot of supportive posts in that thread, we should debate the pro-lifers in it. Get our points more normalised.

 

[EmbraceOfTheVoid]

After a brief look are a lot of supportive posts in that thread, we should debate the pro-lifers in it. Get our points more normalised.

I suppose there are some supportive comments but it's too difficult for me to look past all of the ignorant ones from people that don't understand suicide at all.

 

[lugerepair]

/r/2meirl4meirl and /r/2meirl42meirl4meirl have good depression/suicide memes though.

Also, in the thread you linked, someone wrote this:

My argument is that allowing anyone to go to their doctor for assistance in dying a door is open where a patient can be open an candid with their doctor about suicide. This can lead to potential treatment options that aren't so terminal. Someone hanging themselves in the basement or running the car in the garage doesn't offer much of an opportunity to intervene as being comfortable talking openly with one's doctor would. Of course, it's still on the patient whether they wish to pursue the non-terminal treatment or go with the assisted suicide option.

Which I think is pretty insightful.

 

[Livingvsdying25]

Thread wasn't as bad as I exoected but given the subreddit im not surprised.

Honestly i agree reddit is so awful in regards to suicidality. The ignorance plus the privileged based responses are too much. Even being on the CPTSD subreddit is like???

One thing that really bothers me to hear is the whole "ya needa shop around for therapists and it took me 4 people or 10 till i found one" like therapy isn't like meds where its covered for me(here)

It's expensive enough finding one person/clinic how the fuck am I supppsed to realistically afford on-going and continuous searching. Add in the burn out from mismanagement/discrimination and down right abuse within the mental health system.

Its ok to advocate to keeo trying. Its annoying when there isnt any acknowledgment of how hard that is. Or the acknowledgement is just dismissed with optimism that is often unrealistic.

 

[lugerepair]

One thing that really bothers me to hear is the whole "ya needa shop around for therapists and it took me 4 people or 10 till i found one" like therapy isn't like meds where its covered for me(here)

I totally agree. I'm so done wasting my money on therapists. They honestly suck. I've had bad experiences with them. They're useless, they're annoying, and they cost a fuckton of money. The last therapist I saw used CBT (cognitive behavioural therapy), which is basically glorified gaslighting as far as I'm concerned. So I'm pretty much done with them and their bullshit. Probably sour grapes because I couldn't see one even if I wanted to, but whatever.

 

[EmbraceOfTheVoid]

I totally agree. I'm so done wasting my money on therapists. They honestly suck. I've had bad experiences with them. They're useless, they're annoying, and they cost a fuckton of money. The last therapist I saw used CBT (cognitive behavioural therapy), which is basically glorified gaslighting as far as I'm concerned. So I'm pretty much done with them and their bullshit. Probably sour grapes because I couldn't see one even if I wanted to, but whatever.

The last therapist I saw a year ago I flat out told her that I would not do CBT before she even mentioned it. She then moved on to DBT which is another useless variation of it. My behavior is not the problem, my circumstances, traumatic past, and health issues arising from those things are the problem. There's no point in me going to someone that is incompetent at their job, threatens me, and offers me the most impractical and useless notions of "help" that I can find for free on google.

Selling Bad Therapy to Trauma Victims

Patients and therapists should ignore new guidelines for treating trauma.

www.psychologytoday.com

Here is what the study found:

• Nearly 40 percent of patients who started CBT dropped out. They voted with their feet about its value.
• Sixty percent of the patients still had PTSD after completing treatment.
• One hundred percent of the patients were clinically depressed after completing treatment.
• At a six-month follow-up, patients who received CBT were no better than those in the control group.
• Nineteen serious "adverse events" (suicide attempts, psychiatric hospitalizations) occurred over the course of the study.
• The authors noted that patients "may need more treatment than the relatively small number of sessions typically provided in a clinical trial."

 

[Partial-Elf]

The truth seems to be there's nothing they can do...

 

[Meretlein]

I stay off Reddit for the same reason.
I've discussed a few times about suicide, trying to have a nice and coherent conversation but it was pointless. I ended up being reported lol

Reading nurses and EMTs on there proudly talk about how they kidnap and abuse suicidal people is digital self harm for me.

 

[Deleted member 26067]

Reddit is basically a wasteland of fast food journalism. It's the scrapings of the bottom of the latrine of news media. I pay it no heed.

These same people who superciliously crow about how wrong it is to take your own life would change their mind swiftly if they were suffering from a terminal illness, intractable severe pain, or in an irreversible bad life situation impossible to escape. Their ignorance is risible. And when society collapses (it's coming) and they have no internet or other "perks" of modern life anymore, they'll probably be the first to off themselves.

Part of this comes from the human-centric and quaint notion that life is sacred.

 

[lucacaro]

To be fair I think many (maybe even most?) people who want to commit suicide are mentally ill, but that doesn't mean you can't be a rational and/or functioning person. I know that I sure am mentally ill and if there was anything that could magically fix me I'd probably not kill myself because then I could overcome the problems making me want to commit suicide. But nothing can magically fix me and I don't have the money or resources to try so suicide is a valid option imo.

Also, Reddit is stupid I mentioned being suicidal once and someone reported me and I got a silly message about calling a hotline and a ban lol.

 

[imsorrythatimhere]

Reddit is quite the shithole. There are pro choice subreddits however, like r/righttodie and r/timetogo. I barely go on there anymore, if not only for r/tumblr

 

[blue_muse]

God, I hate that "not in their right mind" argument. I'd wager that the vast majority of suicidal people are perfectly rational. A desire for death doesn't automatically make you irrational. Their heads are clear - they just feel betrayed by life.

Sometimes, it's the rationality itself and ability to reason with facts and statistics that seems to make anti-suicide types shout louder. Quite funny if you think about it that way really.

 

[TooConscious]

I was going to do a thread similar to this as my last but it seemed so futile. The fact euthanasia is non existant to the vast majority of people.

We are existing in a labor camp. Close to a gas chamber thanks to the elite sucking up the suffering they feed off.

Any empathetic world would help people ctb if it's been clear for a few months they need to go or they suffer disabilities they can't cope with any longer etc.

Not made to feel guilt that were trapped here. Existence is like an evil jester.

 

[EmbraceOfTheVoid]

Reddit is quite the shithole. There are pro choice subreddits however, like r/righttodie and r/timetogo. I barely go on there anymore, if not only for r/tumblr

I thought subreddits like that were banned ages ago? Even r/antipsychiatry has become fearful of bringing up that taboo word so they don't get shut down.

I was going to do a thread similar to this as my last but it seemed so futile. The fact euthanasia is non existant to the vast majority of people.

We are existing in a labor camp. Close to a gas chamber thanks to the elite sucking up the suffering they feed off.

Any empathetic world would help people ctb if it's been clear for a few months they need to go or they suffer disabilities they can't cope with any longer etc.

Not made to feel guilt that were trapped here. Existence is like an evil jester.

The world is full of selfish people or sociopathic sadists. I should not have to go to such lengths to end my life or to even be able to talk about it. This place is a worse dystopian nightmare than I've read of in any book.

 

[Symbiote]

I thought subreddits like that were banned ages ago? Even r/antipsychiatry has become fearful of bringing up that taboo word so they don't get shut down.

The world is full of selfish people or sociopathic sadists. I should not have to go to such lengths to end my life or to even be able to talk about it. This place is a worse dystopian nightmare than I've read of in any book.

The little brother of watchpeopledie has a new subreddit that makes a game of it called deadorvegetable. Got quite a few suicides or accidental deaths on there, but most of the people are schadenfreuds.

 

[TooConscious]

I thought subreddits like that were banned ages ago? Even r/antipsychiatry has become fearful of bringing up that taboo word so they don't get shut down.

The world is full of selfish people or sociopathic sadists. I should not have to go to such lengths to end my life or to even be able to talk about it. This place is a worse dystopian nightmare than I've read of in any book.

Exactly words I'm looking for pal you just couldn't write this shit.

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

Speaking of reddit, the ptsd subreddit has recently banned suicide discussion as well. Nothing but blatant censorship on that platform. They dump everyone to this subreddit called suicide watch, where people are only allowed to say certain things and speak in very specific ways.

Because many subreddits have cracked down on ctb talk and enforced these ironclad rules, there are now hundreds of thousands of people posting on that isolated suicide watch community where their post is likely to be ignored or deleted due to the high influx of traffic and lack of decent moderators.

Don't they realise suppression of thought and speech makes people even more suicidal?

 

[EmbraceOfTheVoid]

Speaking of reddit, the ptsd subreddit has recently banned suicide discussion as well. Nothing but blatant censorship on that platform. They dump everyone to this subreddit called suicide watch, where people are only allowed to say certain things and speak in very specific ways.

Because many subreddits have cracked down on ctb talk and enforced these ironclad rules, there are now hundreds of thousands of people posting on that isolated suicide watch community where their post is likely to be ignored or deleted due to the high influx of traffic and lack of decent moderators.

Don't they realise suppression of thought and speech makes people even more suicidal?

I use to frequent the C/PTSD subreddit and it came off as somewhat toxic to me as they were predominantly focusing on recovering rather than allowing for venting. I couldn't really relate in many ways regardless as many seemed to be so functional within society when all I want is out of this dumpster fire.

Anyways, I think Kim Jong Un is running reddit personally or some normie pro-lifer because the amount of censorship on that site in recent years has gone off the rails. You basically can't talk about anything that doesn't revolve around herd mentality beliefs.

SuIcIDe iS bAd!!! That about sums up discussion on there.

 

[Deleted member 26067]

Well, there's a few folks here that are trying to police others' posts, as well. I think venting is only permitted here if it's done nice and polite and without any mean words that might upset people.

 

[*Hope*]

They honestly dont care about suicidal people. Theyre just doing this for their image

 

[x~Sophia~x]

Well, there's a few folks here that are trying to police others' posts, as well. I think venting is only permitted here if it's done nice and polite and without any mean words that might upset people.

Yeah, and you might wanna take some of your own advice

 

[Sprite_Geist]

Reddit is basically a wasteland of fast food journalism. It's the scrapings of the bottom of the latrine of news media. I pay it no heed.

These same people who superciliously crow about how wrong it is to take your own life would change their mind swiftly if they were suffering from a terminal illness, intractable severe pain, or in an irreversible bad life situation impossible to escape. Their ignorance is risible. And when society collapses (it's coming) and they have no internet or other "perks" of modern life anymore, they'll probably be the first to off themselves.

They are also likely to be the same individuals who will tell you go to away if they find out that you are suicidal. "Oh you are suicidal? Leave me alone you are making me uncomfortable! ...Also do not kill yourself, because that will make me feel bad as well."

 

[imsorrythatimhere]

I thought subreddits like that were banned ages ago? Even r/antipsychiatry has become fearful of bringing up that taboo word so they don't get shut down.

The world is full of selfish people or sociopathic sadists. I should not have to go to such lengths to end my life or to even be able to talk about it. This place is a worse dystopian nightmare than I've read of in any book.

R/timetogo is quarantined and might get banned one day, but its kinda dead so I doubt it'd be anytime soon. Theres also r/psychiatricfreedom

 

[the_final_countdown]

Most people are familiar with a narrative about suicide—the one where you didn't see it coming, it comes out of nowhere, and the individual seemingly had bright prospects for the future.

Those are tragic cases because it's possible some kind of intervention may have helped.

I understand why these stories become famous. Because it really is a waste. Something could have been done.

The more challenging debate lies around intractable problems. Like chronic health conditions, serious mental health conditions, or overwhelming grief and loss that one can't bear with.

How should a society handle these cases? Everybody who suffers begs for mercy and understanding.

How much of a burden should an individual take? With terminally ill patients, it's a little more clear.

What about someone with mild pain and a very long lifespan? Perhaps they don't want to live out the rest of their days that way.

The problem with suicide discussions is that those suffering probably don't live long enough to intact lasting change. And likely don't even have the energy to engage in political reform.

And the ones living in peace don't suffer enough to rally for change in legislation. Why would they? Life is precious and otherwise pretty good. Why end it?

It's only those who saw loved ones suffer immensely that often rally for changes in legislation. They have both the energy and understanding.

 

[PinkSakura]

I fully agree with you

 

[Arnie]

The noise they make would very quickly change if life suddenly handed them an unbearable situation. I'd never wish that on people, but with a spanner in their works, there's a very good chance they'd be looking for a community exactly like this.

It's full of hypocrisy and double standards.