NEW FULL SUSPENSION megathread

[theforgotten]

I think I finally found an anchor point for FS which has been nearly impossible at my home. There is a heavy duty bike/equipment hook in my garage. It has supported bigger bikes before and I'm fairly small (110lb). I'll need to test that it holds my weight when I can obtain my rope, hopefully later this week, and I have the privacy and chance to do so. The concerning part is that it is secured to the wall. I read a post early on in this thread that the person struggled with being against the wall. If I remember correctly it was mostly due to SI because they were able to leverage the wall and get out. Aside from SI and noise, is there any other concerns with being up against a wall?

I plan to purchase a 1/2 in polyester braided rope. It should be suitable from what I've read.

 

[Worndown]

Make sure the rope will hold double your weight, is supple and smooth.
Get more than you think you need.

 

[outnout]

I know the recommendation is 1 foot above your height for the anchor point for this.

I have a pull up bar that is about 9-10 inches above my height..is it possible to pull this off with my head just below the bar? or would it just end up being a standing/partial?

I don't trust my SI not to intervene causing me to use my hands to pull up on the bar either. Is that even possible when you're hanging with vasculature fully compressed in a state of panic? Being able to touch the ground with my toes concerns me.

Any advice?

Finding a place in nature and potentially being found before dying, branch snapping etc. scares the fuck out of me. I want this to be as close to 100% with every variable I can control as possible

 

[Worndown]

I know the recommendation is 1 foot above your height for the anchor point for this.

I have a pull up bar that is about 9-10 inches above my height..is it possible to pull this off with my head just below the bar? or would it just end up being a standing/partial?

I don't trust my SI not to intervene causing me to use my hands to pull up on the bar either. Is that even possible when you're hanging with vasculature fully compressed in a state of panic? Being able to touch the ground with my toes concerns me.

Any advice?

Finding a place in nature and potentially being found before dying, branch snapping etc. scares the fuck out of me. I want this to be as close to 100% with every variable I can control as possible

Just make sure everything is pretty tight before taking that first step. No slack. You should feel it.
You can easily gain 5 inches otherwise.

 

[Terrible_Life_99]

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Bumping this forgotten thread...

I made a brief summary of some points in the Hanging method.

Topics: death mechanism, ligature (knots and position), anchor point (knots), rope (type, material, thickness), testing, general advice...

The death mechanism in Hanging (Partial and Full Suspension) is:

The blockage of oxygenated blood supply (carotid arteries) to the brain (cerebral anoxia). Brain cells begin to die rapidly due to oxygen deprivation.

The brain needs a constant supply of oxygen to produce energy and to perform its various functions. That blockage of oxygenated blood leads to a rapid loss of consciousness, typically within less of 15 seconds.

Ligature (neck)

It is recommended to use a knot that tightens itself when weight is applied. To achieve more pressure and compressing uniformly the neck without leaving empty spaces in the ligature.

For example: Noose knot with stopper knot (also known as Arbor knot)





Knot in action



• The knot of the ligature: should be placed at the back of the neck, in the center.

• The position of the ligature (rope): goes under the jaw. More or less at the height of the Hyoid Bone, which is above of the Adam's apple (laryngeal prominence).

Where the carotid arteries are most accessible, you can even feel the strong pulse on both sides of the neck. Is the softest area of the neck, and the rope will penetrate and compress more easily.

Anchor point

You can use any of these knots: Bowline knot, Anchor hitch knot, Overhand loop knot.







Rope

• Strong materials: polyester or polypropylene.
• Rope type: static and braided. It shouldn't be elastic, as it will stretch under weight.
• Thickness: It will depend on each person's taste, between 10 and 14 mm is fine and comfortable.

The rope must have sufficient area to exert pressure. Ropes that are too thin are not recommended, as they will penetrate too deeply and will not be very comfortable, in addition to having less area to apply pressure.

Before purchasing the rope, check its breaking load.

Testing: rope, anchor point

• Always test your anchor point and rope.

They must support your full weight. They must not break for any reason. Everything should be strong, sturdy, and safe.

You can tie the rope to the anchor point and hang from it with your hands and swing a little (to mimic the convulsions and spasms phase).. and see what happens. Neither of them should show any signs of damage.

• Also test if you can tie the ligature knot correctly, and if the 'noose knot with stopper knot' slides easily without getting stuck. You can do the test on an arm or a leg.

Very important

• Before thinking about an attempt, it is better to be well informed about the method, and being 100% sure of your actions.

• A clear mind is essential to avoid making mistakes. I don't recommend being under the influence of any substance, alcohol, drugs, medications, etc.

• You'll need time alone, without interruptions, with no one lurking around.

• If possible, it would be good to cover your face with something, so as not to traumatize whoever finds you.

I read that the bowline can open itself when the weight moves up and down.

 

[JesiBel]

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I read that the bowline can open itself when the weight moves up and down.

You can adjust it firmly to the anchor point and you can add a stopper knot to the free end to make it more secure.

When you're hanging from your neck, your weight will be floating in the air. I doubt you'll be able to move up and down.

 

[outnout]

Just make sure everything is pretty tight before taking that first step. No slack. You should feel it.
You can easily gain 5 inches otherwise.

But it's definitely possible to execute a proper FSH with an anchor point that is only 9 inches above the head?

 

[Terrible_Life_99]

You can adjust it firmly to the anchor point and you can add a stopper knot to the free end to make it more secure.

When you're hanging from your neck, your weight will be floating in the air. I doubt you'll be able to move up and down.

My fear is that when I get unconscious my body will make these movements which happen when someone hangs himself and then the bowline could open itself. And would you recommend the bowline in my case because I'd use a rectangular wood beam. Another thing which should get mentioned more is that one should upholster the anchor when it has sharp edges so that the rope couldn't get cut open on those edges.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

But it's definitely possible to execute a proper FSH with an anchor point that is only 9 inches above the head?

There is probably not enough vertical space for two knots (noose and anchor point) and the inevitable drop caused by neck constriction. I would tie one fixed loope tight around neck and horizontal bar.

 

[dead dav]

Good to see a megathread about a serious approach to hanging. A few things to add which might be of use.

1. Grease the noose and your neck with petroleum jelly (preferably) or soap, to help reduce any friction and make both as cinchable as possible.

2. Go into the noose hard and fast to constrict the carotids as quick as possible. This cuts off the carotids quickly, speeding up unconsciousness and leaving a much more placid pale appearance post-mortem.

3. Consider wearing gloves, a mouthguard and a blindfold. Gloves will help prevent any clawing at the neck and further increase the futility of escape. A mouthguard will help reduce the chances of biting your tongue. A blindfold will help reduce the fear induced by the changes with the eyes I.e. from bright lights to total darkness. It'll also take away something from the horror for whoever finds you.

That's all for now. If I think of anything else I'll add another post.

Useful information thanks

 

[JesiBel]

My fear is that when I get unconscious my body will make these movements which happen when someone hangs himself and then the bowline could open itself. And would you recommend the bowline in my case because I'd use a rectangular wood beam. Another thing which should get mentioned more is that one should upholster the anchor when it has sharp edges so that the rope couldn't get cut open on those edges.

Uhmm, what "sharp object" would you use as an anchor point?

A ceiling beam has edges but they are not sharp. Try cutting a rope by rubbing it against a ceiling beam. You'll have a hard time doing it.

You can make any knot more secure by tying a stopper knot at the free end.

You can tie the rope to the anchor point and hang from it with your hands and jerk/swing around. Overthinking doesn't help, testing does.

 

[Terrible_Life_99]

Uhmm, what "sharp object" would you use as an anchor point?

A ceiling beam has edges but they are not sharp. Try cutting a rope by rubbing it against a ceiling beam. You'll have a hard time doing it.

You can make any knot more secure by tying a stopper knot at the free end.

You can tie the rope to the anchor point and hang from it with your hands and jerk/swing around. Overthinking doesn't help, testing does.

Thank you so much that was helpful. You're absolutely right the edges aren't sharp as a knife. Now I just have to decide wether I'll use the bowline or the constrictor knot and then I can finally end this all.

 

[WPack]

Full suspension hanging relies on using your body weight to compress your carotid arteries, therefore cutting off circulation to your brain, and rendering you unconscious within 20 seconds if done right, and death within a max of 15 minutes after that. You will need a rope of good thickness that doesn't stretch, and can support a couple times your weight, because the human body will thrash around as it dies. The knot should be placed behind your neck for a full suspension hanging, and a simple slipknot may be better than the hangman's noose based on what I've heard on ASH. The thing you tie the other end of the rope to will need to be strong, and at least a foot higher than your height. A rolling hitch or two will be used to tie the other end to the support. You'll need 2 or 3 feet more rope than your height, at least with 1 inch thick rope. It will be painful, but not like you'd think, and passing out will come quick anyways, assuming you do it correctly. From my testing, it's not that painful, even calming in a way, but SI is still a bitch, and I don't have much advice for that. A good rope to use is 1 inch thick manila rope, as that's what I've used during my testing, and it works perfectly. You will want the rope above your adams apple, as close to your jaw as you can get it, as that's there the carotid arteries are most 'vulnerable'. Having a small bit of padding may help with the rope cutting into your neck and pain related to that, but only light padding, like a washcloth. Most of my information comes from a year of browsing alt.suicide.holiday, and anecdotes from the internet, as well as my own testing.

I talked about manila rope, but i keep hearing synthetic materials like polyester do better. Im willing to hear statements.

 

[Worndown]

Manila rope is couse and more difficult to tie.
Find a smooth, flexible and strong rope.

 

[outnout]

There is probably not enough vertical space for two knots (noose and anchor point) and the inevitable drop caused by neck constriction. I would tie one fixed loope tight around neck and horizontal bar.

So you're saying it could work? If I tie the noose knot and tighten it first? Before tying the anchor? Seems kind of risky. Or were you saying I need a new anchor point?