N tolerance reset

[Veraln]

Tested N about 15 times to aid sleep, almost all doses around the 3ml / 4ml mark, once a day, exceptionally twice, after starting at around 2ml (then effect = hit or miss, could fail to be sufficient to figth insomnia) ...to the point it stopped to work to put me to sleep but did trigger severe momentary psychosis (wasn't expecting this scary reaction) that led to 2 short spaced visits at the emergencies
Tbh, was not trying to game it, but got addicted out of the initial plan, having nothing else in handy

Question for $1 million to the wannabe experts in an undocumented field yet, how long would you wait for the tolerance to fully reset before it kills again at full throttle ?

edit: must have consumed +/- 4g over 2 weeks in total

 

[Smart No More]

As someone with addiction experience I would say 2 months at least. Benzos take a good while. They will start to get their kick back after a couple of months abstaining but they won't be at full tilt without a couple more. As N acts on the same receptors I suspect it will be the same/similar. However the length of previous use and doses used will impact this so a short stint of relatively low dose use such as yours may well take less time. 15x use is a fledgling addiction and will be easier to shake than an addiction and subsequent tolerance build fo someone that's used for many months or years. Still, it's something you may want to avoid stopping dead. If you're experiencing withdrawal symptoms low dose diazepam could help with a reduction over a short period. You can find info on sites like benzo buddies surrounding this in more precise detail. Places liek that will likely be where you'll find the answers you're after. You could also check the bluelight forum. Lots of good info to be found there.


BTW how to I claim my $1 million?

 

[Veraln]

As someone with addiction experience I would say 2 months at least. Benzos take a good while. They will start to get their kick back after a couple of months abstaining but they won't be at full tilt without a couple more. As N acts on the same receptors I suspect it will be the same/similar. However the length of previous use and doses used will impact this so a short stint of relatively low dose use such as yours may well take less time. 15x use is a fledgling addiction and will be easier to shake than an addiction and subsequent tolerance build fo someone that's used for many months or years. Still, it's something you may want to avoid stopping dead. If you're experiencing withdrawal symptoms low dose diazepam could help with a reduction over a short period. You can find info on sites like benzo buddies surrounding this in more precise detail. Places liek that will likely be where you'll find the answers you're after. You could also check the bluelight forum. Lots of good info to be found there.


BTW how to I claim my $1 million?

Ready to break my piggy bank in Zimbabwe for you, bring it on ! seriously, thanks. That's reassuring I guess

I did quit cold turkey which led to alarming psychotic episodes when I believed my brain was stuck into madness with reversed thoughts and emotions that I would never come back off so I was pleading my relatives to help me kms cause I was persuaded to be damaged permanently and I would refuse asylum. Shortly after, my brain invented it had a cerebrovascular accident plus simulating physical events (eletrical shock in brain, broken neck placement with invisible blood cloaking on the outside and funny walking)
That's how powerful N withdrawal is. Ofc, I did not tell the medical staff about the kind of abuse. After a brain scanner, basically they put it on an emotional breakdown and gently implied I was loco and should consult. I was released from the hospital gifted with a box of Xanax that I emptied in 1 week (abusing it also, regretfully). A broader mental confusion with negativity lasted for longer

By comparing to Alprazolam, I'd comment N is more efficent / gentle / transparent for sleep but less euphoric, at therapeutic doses at this pace. With repetition, it has a corrosive factor that can irritate the mucosa of the throat
I grew confidence that the blacking out at 200ml would happen without friction over a few seconds of ascending saturation.

Exactly on the cautious side here too. Have been transitioning to a straight edge diet. No nothing for at least a month and still paranoid (not medically insured so can't fail)
Was also stressed of taking Amitryptiline as a substitute for sleep. As a TCA, I imagine it could influence eventually
On air, the waiting can be tough, depending on your mental state. Better be in acceptance of the choice through conscious self-reflection well pondered

Edit: was replying to an answer that was deleted

 

[Smart No More]

Your recollection of withdrawal symptoms is similar to benzo withdrawal symptoms. Brain zaps in particular. Ealking unusually (a change in your 'gate') is a possible sife effect of things that effect the brain. Symptoms can mimic other conditions too as you point out with the feelings involving your heart. People that have used for a substantial amount of time can have seizures and die as a result of withdrawal from drugs like this so it's no joke and should be used with caution and respect as you discovered for yourself.

Regarding the corrosive sensation/effects you experienced in your throat, I suspect two things... One is that there's other ingredients in vetinary N liquid and they are the likely cause of it. The alcohol (ethanol) added as a preservative for example. And the other thing is that you may experience acid reflux as a result of regular/repeated use of it. Over time acid reflux will cause a tickly throat as it corrodes the mucosa. The two things combined may futher speed that up.

How do you find the flavour of it? It's considered unbearable by many. Even to the extent of being a barrier to being able to consume the 200ml for ctb purposes.


I should aslo add to my previous response regarding tolerance. There are some people that describe never getting. Rid of thwir tolerance completely in regard to benzodiazepines. This of course crossed over to other drugs that act on the gaba receptors. (Gabaergic). Oddly some drugs appear to circumnavigate better than others and the reason seemingly unknown. But yes, some people are never able to return to their base level and find a high l tolerance persists for years. I recommend reading about this at bluelight forums if it concerns you.

 

[Veraln]

Sorry, I did not mean my mind invented a cardiovascular accident but a cerebrovascular one.

Interesting comments!
Yes for the acid reflux, confirmed ! Indeed, there are a few excipients that differ depending on the brands (I'm lucky I did taste 2 different brands in my life - Dolehal which intriguely I thought was slightly more tolerable although counter-logical, it should be the opposite because it has more Propyene Glycol tasting sweet in theory versus the potentially abrasive Ethanol, in reverse of Pisabental - maybe it has to do with the N concentration overlapping too)

About the taste, I find it more chemical and stingent than bitter, in an unique way. It's also lingering / sticky and difficult to wash so I expect to have it very much in my mind as a back thought until I pass out. The first time, I had uncontrollable neck movements of disgust and chills but maybe I'm sensitive
I found out taking strong abrasive alcohol (vodka) after is curiously heightening its taste and reminding it like a second wave of it, kind of counter productive as a chaser but not as a potentiator.
Overall, really bad. With habit, I'd rate it 7/10 at low volume. At 200ml with volume, it will probably be 9/10. Not 10 because there exists
more revulsive tasting stuff (Tongkat Ali or HornyGoat Weed which could make you puke) although not comparable
If you wonder why Peter Smudley in the Dignitas youtube video is coughing and asking for water a bit stressed, for me it makes no doubt it's the shocking reaction of somebody not prepared mentally. It is a surprising substance for sure

My advice would be to swallow a fruity viscous liquid (a bit alcoholic) before the N ingestion...in order to coat your throat, which can be a big part of feeling a taste as well with just the smell through nose. Similarly, numbing the tongue and mouth (with a moutwash or lidocaine) will prove to be insufficient to mask it efficiently

 

[Smart No More]

Thank you. That advice and description is very much appreciated and useful.

 

[Veraln]

I should aslo add to my previous response regarding tolerance. There are some people that describe never getting. Rid of thwir tolerance completely in regard to benzodiazepines. This of course crossed over to other drugs that act on the gaba receptors. (Gabaergic). Oddly some drugs appear to circumnavigate better than others and the reason seemingly unknown. But yes, some people are never able to return to their base level and find a high l tolerance persists for years. I recommend reading about this at bluelight forums if it concerns you.

I recall reading such reports online. For instance, a story of a short time Phenibut user who could not feel the effects of GHB in the long run anymore. Often no consistency between anecdotes and individuals. Interractions could be tricky to assess unless deploying a test protocol ?

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/worried-about-n-not-working.78987

The fact is I'm in the situation of this guy (PFS sufferer) and particularly anxious about the health of my own Gaba receptors. For instance, alcohol has very little effect on me. About benzos, it depends. I don't pretend to have tested all Gaba substances but this remains a concern when you are a victim of a "disease" which the science has close to zero understanding of its mechanism. I don't want to become a surprise statistic. I planned 40 hours undisturbed but scratch my head if I should even extend it to a day longer for instance or if I'd better be saved earlier if by miracle I was still woke at such stage ah!

 

[Smart No More]

Ah, yeah, each of those instances were in mind when replying to your earlier posts. There's a suplement called L theanine which has gained respect amongst ex benzo users. It's no magic but people have claimed it helped return their gaba receptors to base level pre-benzo use. It also helps thwm sleep and has a mild calming effect. I have a friend who tried to explain it but described it has hard to quantify. They said that it's something they didn't even notice working at first until they kind of started noticing what to look for and now they can't do without it. It's cheap and easily obtaines so worth a shot. My friend in question had been using etizolam for a few years every day. So you can imagine they had a pretty good habit. They weened off it using diazepam over a few months. Nearly a year. Now they use the L theanine and I think a few other things which are legal. I can ask what the other things are if you're interested in trying it yourself. If you're having the same issues as the member in the link you posted I'd say that meet extreme extenuating circumstances and probably is worth factoring in very seriously in your plans. That's purely my opinion of course. I'm not medically trained or anything.