N from D: Potential repeat of 2019 seizures and wellness visits

[wljourney]

Recap:
In 2019 LE noticeably cracked down on people who had very recently ordered N, especially in the US/CAN but also in other countries (France, Spain). This is also mentioned in the PPeH.

A slew of seizures and "wellness checks" by LE was noticed and reported here in the forum back then.

Based on the information I have received just this week alone (mostly via private DMs) I wonder if this kind of "crackdown" is happening again.
Don't be alarmed, but be mentally prepared.

I don't think D has been compromised, but there seems to be some new found "interest" in clients who have purchased N from D.

(Afaik Nobody has been threatened with legal consequences or jail.)

Within the last 3 days I have had
- 2 reliable reports of packages being seized before they were delivered. (CAN/USA)
- 2 reports of packages being "stuck" in the "warehouse" w/o further details available. (EU/USA)
- 1 credible report of "wellness check" by LE after package was seized (CAN)
- 1 credible report of "wellness check" by LE and seizure of package after it was delivered (including being escorted to a mental health evaluation) (USA)
- 1 fairly credible report of seizure of N and wellness check (user posted in forum) (USA)
- 1 unconfirmed reports of seizure of N while person was away from home (user replied to forum post). (USA)


So far the number of successfully delivered packages still outweighs those that were intercepted.

However I would like anyone who just ordered or is planning to order to be aware and prepared.

Don't panic.
Proceed with caution.
"Calm and collected" is the goal.

 

[ayb]

If they don't have a warrant in USA/CAN tell them goodbye and close the door on them. They cannot search your residence without a warrant unless you let them in. Best of luck.

 

[Smart No More]

Good looking our!


Pretty sure there were wellness visits in the UK back then too. Also, back the seller was A just for the sake clarity.

Based on what we know now, learning from the last time, people are within their rights to refuse entry and say nothing. Those that did so the first time around claimed to still be in possession of their N. Knowing this, LE may use more forcefull tactics and language a second time around but law hasn't changed.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

If they don't have a warrant in USA/CAN tell them goodbye and close the door on them. They cannot search your residence without a warrant unless you let them in. Best of luck.

Also can't you just remain silent or say : I want to have a lawyer present and that's it don't answer their questions just as you said "do you have a warrant "and if they ask any questions say i need my lawyer here to answer for me if you don't have a warrant then goodbye i have work to do .

 

[Cathy Ames]

Also can't you just remain silent or say : I want to have a lawyer present and that's it don't answer their questions just as you said "do you have a warrant "and if they ask any questions say i need my lawyer here to answer for me if you don't have a warrant then goodbye i have work to do .

Yes, and the refusal to say ANYTHING is an important addition to the need for a warrant. They will try to get you to say something, and for most people pressure by the authorities is quite difficult to withstand. They'll say things like, "We can clear this whole thing up right now." But usually that's a lie and they do not intend to "clear it up" on the spot. I hope some of the US attorneys here can address this further.

 

[wljourney]

Yes, and the refusal to say ANYTHING is an important addition to the need for a warrant. They will try to get you to say something, and for most people pressure by the authorities is quite difficult to withstand. They'll say things like, "We can clear this whole thing up right now." But usually that's a lie and they do not intend to "clear it up" on the spot. I hope some of the US attorneys here can address this further.

It is VERY difficult to withstand this kind of pressure, especially as a vulnerable person.

Everyone so far has cooperated and i don't blame them one bit. It is a very stressful situation to be in.

Right now I'm somewhat worried about the person who DM'd me yesterday on their way to "talk with a counselor". I haven't heard anything since then and hope they have not been involuntarily admitted.

 

[Beer_is_all_I_have]

It is VERY difficult to withstand this kind of pressure, especially as a vulnerable person.

Everyone so far has cooperated and i don't blame them one bit. It is a very stressful situation to be in.

Right now I'm somewhat worried about the person who DM'd me yesterday on their way to "talk with a counselor". I haven't heard anything since then and hope they have not been involuntarily admitted.

Our plan is to close all curtains and shades and not answer the door. Of course they would see our ring camera and perhaps assume we are hiding. If somehow they catch us going in or out, won't let them in. Glad my friend is with me as she is much better at telling people to go away.

 

[Cathy Ames]

It is VERY difficult to withstand this kind of pressure, especially as a vulnerable person.

Everyone so far has cooperated and i don't blame them one bit. It is a very stressful situation to be in.

Right now I'm somewhat worried about the person who DM'd me yesterday on their way to "talk with a counselor". I haven't heard anything since then and hope they have not been involuntarily admitted.

Also then you might have to get an attorney, which is overwhelming and seems impossible. I guess people should be planning ahead who they would call, but.... <sigh>

 

[wljourney]

Our plan is to close all curtains and shades and not answer the door. Of course they would see our ring camera and perhaps assume we are hiding. If somehow they catch us going in or out, won't let them in. Glad my friend is with me as she is much better at telling people to go away.

Yes it's worth a try. Depending on how intent they are on that "wellness check"…

I'd still like to know why NOW. What happened to get this ball rolling?
Did someone CTB and leave not just bottles but more details to be found?

Also then you might have to get an attorney, which is overwhelming and seems impossible. I guess people should be planning ahead who they would call, but.... <sigh>

Yes exactly. Not to mention how expensive it is.

 

[Pluto]

How are N purchases getting busted right when D is out of stock? I must be out of the loop about something.

 

[Beer_is_all_I_have]

How are N purchases getting busted right when D is out of stock? I must be out of the loop about something.

He somehow acquired more recently. Quite a few people have received it, including this guy who had the cops come over and he handed his over to them. Then a few more incidents happened like that.

 

[lostmylove]

Tell the police you have no idea what you're talking about.

You're not coming in without a warrant and you're harassing me when I have autism(or other mental illness) hell make one up.


Pretty much tell them to go to hell.

But ya don't be alarmist because if this was a real thing people are likely to wanna drink N rather than deal with this crap especially if vulnerable.

Looks like USA / CA only so far too???

 

[Al Cappella]

I dunno. I appreciate what everyone one is saying, and that it's correct—just in the heat of the moment, if you have no experience with LE, then thinking on your feet, never mind through the fog of mental difficulties, might be a tall order.

If it's me—and true, everyone is different—then I order when I'm ready, and as soon as it comes, I bugger off into the bush and chug it. No keeping it around, etc. If I don't feel ready, I'll hold off on ordering. That won't fix everything if they are watching, but it will beat them to it…

Edit (more stuff) I hope folks realize there's really no protecting D—his email being in the PPeH. Certainly LE has that information, whether and how they act on it dependent on a bunch of different factors. It wouldn't be that hard to find out if there was literally an uptick—it would have made media somewhere, certainly in the US…

 

[Ta555]

Also people who received their N in may say it's not working when testing like doing sleep tests....hmm...I wonder if it's not N from D at all? Like all the info together is mighty suspicious.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

Your title made me worried that N caused "seizures", when you really meant that your package could be seized.

 

[Ta555]

Your title made me worried that N caused "seizures", when you really meant that your package could be seized.

It's actually an anti-epileptic medication haha! A last resort one.

 

[Pain In The Ass]

as soon as you get it, hide it somewhere, preferably away from your property, maybe at a friend's, or seal it right up and bury it somewhere

 

[GentleJerk]

I'm all for being cautious. Curious though, may I ask how you evaluate what are "reliable" and "credible" vs "unconfirmed" reports?

 

[wljourney]

Your title made me worried that N caused "seizures", when you really meant that your package could be seized.

My apologies!! I wrote the post well after taking my night meds.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I'm all for being cautious. Curious though, may I ask how you evaluate what are "reliable" and "credible" vs "unconfirmed" reports?

i just want to add that the OP @wljourney has been very helpful . And i really trust what OP says. i don't want to give any more details because that is OP's privacy, but i just have reasons to believe OP's post are very reliable and trustworthy.

 

[wljourney]

I'm all for being cautious. Curious though, may I ask how you evaluate what are "reliable" and "credible" vs "unconfirmed" reports?

"Unconfirmed" are those that came up in the forum from people I have not been in direct contact with. Who I haven't been able to build a rapport with.

I consider "reliable sources" those from people I have been in contact with for an extended period of time, who I messaged with multiple times, about several different topics/questions, who have established accounts etc.

It would take quite some energy for someone to take weeks or even months to establish an elaborate story, asking very detailed questions re crypto, ordering N, sharing personal information etc.

Could I be wrong?
Yes of course!

However: what's the likelihood of ALL of these accounts being untrue/made up and coming all in the same week?

You decide.

Also people who received their N in may say it's not working when testing like doing sleep tests....hmm...I wonder if it's not N from D at all? Like all the info together is mighty suspicious.

Possibly. I am waiting for the next report from our friend @Beer_is_all_I_have to decide next steps and if we need to test one of the most recent bottle's contents.

Also people who received their N in may say it's not working when testing like doing sleep tests....hmm...I wonder if it's not N from D at all? Like all the info together is mighty suspicious.

It is definitely the same item from the same source. remains to be seen if the contents have changed and maybe D got duped himself. I don't think he would risk a smooth running business (a monopoly no less!) by knowingly sending out sub par products.

Even drug dealers have standards.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

It would take quite some energy for someone to take weeks or even months to establish an elaborate story, asking very detailed questions re crypto, ordering N, sharing personal information etc.

There's plenty of newbies who come on SS all the time, with 1 or 2 posts, who ask exactly those questions, and get plenty of info right away from seasoned SS "volunteers" who happily supply that info. And then everyone wonders how these knock-knocks from LE happen, get their newly acquired N confiscated, and carted away to the psych hospital.

 

[Ta555]

My initial thought was that maybe D has been 'busted' but whatever LE has busted him has instructed him to carry on as usual but not send legitimate product so they can see who's ordering. But I realise this is a very far-fetched idea.
I'm just worried about the recent posts in the N Files 2.0 thread where recent batch of N doesn't seem to be doing much at all in sleep tests.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

My initial thought was that maybe D has been 'busted' but whatever LE has busted him has instructed him to carry on as usual but not send legitimate product so they can see who's ordering. But I realise this is a very far-fetched idea.
I'm just worried about the recent posts in the N Files 2.0 thread where recent batch of N doesn't seem to be doing much at all in sleep tests.

I also think this. I base this on some other postings that I read from one SS member, in particular, whose name I forget at the moment, who said he got an email message back from D only asking "where are you from" or something like that, and another, also forget name right now, who said he got similar message, and also, another question in email about whether he wanted to pay with Western Union or Money Gram, or something like that, which are both out of character for D, who prefers Crypto Currency. I think he has been compromised also. It just seems like too many strange events to all be coincidence for me. Knocks on doors by LE, strange messages from D (who earlier said he wouldn't have anymore N until July or something). I think if anything, more likely is LE has taken over his email to bust more people.

 

[Beer_is_all_I_have]

I also think this. I base this on some other postings that I read from one SS member, in particular, whose name I forget at the moment, who said he got an email message back from D only asking "where are you from" or something like that, and another, also forget name right now, who said he got similar message, and also, another question in email about whether he wanted to pay with Western Union or Money Gram, or something like that, which are both out of character for D, who prefers Crypto Currency. I think he has been compromised also. It just seems like too many strange events to all be coincidence for me. Knocks on doors by LE, strange messages from D (who earlier said he wouldn't have anymore N until July or something). I think if anything, more likely is LE has taken over his email to bust more people.

Interesting. I myself can say my emails with him seemed legit. Won't say too much but his long acceptance email has grammatical errors like a non-native English speaker would have and he actually tells certain people not to order from him. It's hard to vouch for those weird responses. Even the LE would do better than those
mentioned above or maybe they had the wrong address.

Also I'm the one who caused a scare with the sleep tests but no where I know of has the proper factors and details. My friend's very long history with benzos must have some effect. The PPeH doesn't recommend a sleep test. I only see scattered references on this site.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Interesting. I myself can say my emails with him seemed legit. Won't say too much but his long acceptance email has grammatical errors like a non-native English speaker would have and he actually tells certain people not to order from him. It's hard to vouch for those weird responses. Even the LE would do better than those
mentioned above or maybe they had the wrong address.

Also I'm the one who caused a scare with the sleep tests but no where I know of has the proper factors and details. My friend's very long history with benzos must have some effect. The PPeH doesn't recommend a sleep test. I only see scattered references on this site.

How long ago were your messages with him? This would have all went down very recently.

 

[Smart No More]

There's nothing in it for LE to entrap and bust buyers. It's more work than it's worth. Try not to get to lost in theories and assumptions. Similarly they wouldn't charge for and sell fake products to then bust people for it.
Something is up, clearly but all this conjecture is getting ceazy and spirals out of control fast. Lets try and stay objective and only work with the facts.

 

[Musketeer]

If they don't have a warrant in USA/CAN tell them goodbye and close the door on them. They cannot search your residence without a warrant unless you let them in. Best of luck.

• Exigent circumstances. The police can search your property in some emergency situations. If the process of getting a valid search warrant would impact public safety or lead to a loss of evidence, the police can enter your home without a warrant.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

There's nothing in it for LE to entrap and bust buyers. It's more work than it's worth. Try not to get to lost in theories and assumptions. Similarly they wouldn't charge for and sell fake products to then bust people for it.
Something is up, clearly but all this conjecture is getting ceazy and spirals out of control fast. Lets try and stay objective and only work with the facts.

Mexican LE wouldn't charge for and sell fake product? I don't know about that. There's a lot of pressure out there right now on administration and LE with recent suicides from people who found the methods on SS. Families want someone to blame and be held accountable. I know that a long established SS member reported confirmed LE knocks on doors last week. Fine. We can wait and see how this plays out. Not sure how old you are, but I've lived a while and I've seen and experienced some things in my life, how shit rolls when it starts rolling, and how seemingly unrelated "coincidences" are actually connected after everything comes out. There's just too much for me to just swallow here. But, we'll see. I know I'm not ordering any N at the moment.

 

[Smart No More]

Mexican LE wouldn't charge for and sell fake product? I don't know about that. There's a lot of pressure out there right now on administration and LE with recent suicides from people who found the methods on SS. Families want someone to blame and be held accountable. I know that a long established SS member reported confirmed LE knocks on doors last week. Fine. We can wait and see how this plays out. Not sure how old you are, but I've lived a while and I've seen and experienced some things in my life, how shit rolls when it starts rolling, and how seemingly unrelated "coincidences" are actually connected after everything comes out. There's just too much for me to just swallow here. But, we'll see. I know I'm not ordering any N at the moment.

See sense here.... Mexican LE wouldn't be able to sell fake N and then tell US and Canadian LE to do wellness checks off the back of it. Think about it, why would they even inform anyone if they were running a racket. Its fucking crazy! Listen to yourself. Even if they were doing that LE can't entrap someone and then pay them a wellness visit to seize a substance that's fake and will be proved to be so in subsequent tests.

Sure, something is going on. Wellness checks are happening. Police aren't looking for busts though. They don't give a shit about end users and convicting people for possession. I do know a little about these things and have experience. That's all I'll say but rest assured you're working without all the facts or a full understanding of how law enforcement are motivated. Either they're following a list of matching packages from the courier service used or they've intercepted some communications from D' s email address. It seems like the checks and seizures we're currently aware of are in Canada and the US. As I said, it's clear something is going on and it's not a good time to order from D. Nobody is refuting that but getting all 'clever' about it and putting 2+2 together on assumptions is counter productive and ultimately pointlessly wrong.