N from A Megathread 2

[Fin]

Guys, open the analysis report in the attachment in @Twohorn's post -- it is fake. No professional laboratory would write the result of their analysis as "GBL". What does GBL mean? The preferred IUPAC name of the chemical is oxolan-2-one, while the common name that the abbreviation GBL stands for is γ-butyrolactone. GBL can stand for a dozen of things and it is by no means a professional chemical name or identifier.

 

[watchingthewheels]

I noted that the watermark is BEHIND the text boxes, as well...
but opening it the info from the pdf download, it does say the author is "energy", so, I don't know.

 

[RainAndSadness]

I would like to report findings, having tested bottles of 'N' from both Mexican suppliers, D and A. Oddly, both orders had completely identical packaging, leading me to believe that the two Mexican suppliers are possibly the same person, or are at least closely linked in some way.

Unfortunately, the Exit International test cassettes found no barbiturates in bottles from either supplier.

Samples were sent to Energy Control for GC/MS testing. They were eventually able to identify the sole active substance in each liquid was GBL, confirming no barbiturates were present.
GBL may be useful for self deliverance, but it is certainly an inferior substitute for N, and if one did want to choose this substance they would certainly be able to find it far more cheaply elsewhere.

I have also tested powder 'N' from the supplier known as C, which was found to be no more than paracetamol.

Perhaps these suppliers are simply 'selective scammers', and others are more fortunate than me in obtaining genuine product, but based on my experience I would not recommend that anyone hand over the considerable sums demanded by these sellers.

Alright. Let's stop for a second before we proceed with a discussion surrounding tests from one single individual with - no offense - 9 posts in the forum. I've been here for 3 years. I've seen test results from Energy Control regarding the purity of N from C and most of them came back as 68-75% pure N. My first question is: when did you purchase N from C? He wasn't in business for months. If you ordered months ago, why did you just test the substance now. Why did you order from A, D and C? Regarding A, who has been in business for such a long time, I've witnessed the departure of many friends from this community. And I know that law enforcement were investigating into people that ordered N from A in the past (approximately spring 2019). Several members in this forum reported this incident and a person I know from the UK also had a visit by law enforcement. Why would they do that if it wasn't a controlled substance but just some empty filler instead? A and D sent their substance in medical, sealed bottles - it's veterinary N. How would they switch the substance without breaking these bottles? It doesn't make any sense. If they sold garbage, they would have been exposed a long time ago. Sorry bud, but I trust all the longterm members that passed with N and uploaded test results from EC far more than someone who has less than 10 posts in this forum. If they really sold faulty substances, Exit International would have alerted their community immediately. Sure, it's possible that long-term reputable vendors go rogue, but you're implying that all 3 vendors - granted they're different people - went rogue at around the same time?

 

[HopelessFight]

Guys, open the analysis report in the attachment in @Twohorn's post -- it is fake. No professional laboratory would write the result of their analysis as "GBL". What does GBL mean? The preferred IUPAC name of the chemical is oxolan-2-one, while the common name that the abbreviation GBL stands for is γ-butyrolactone. GBL can stand for a dozen of things and it is by no means a professional chemical name or identifier.

This testing company is actually listing GBL on their website:

Submitting a sample | International Energy Control

energycontrol-international.org

Why would they do that if it wasn't a controlled substance but just some empty filler instead? A and D sent their substance in medical, sealed bottles - it's veterinary N. How would they switch the substance without breaking these bottles? It doesn't make any sense.

@RainAndSadness, note that GBL (which is apparently GHB) is not "just some empty filler", but a drug that, from what I read on the internet, seems to cause the same symptoms as N on first sight. EDIT: you were probably referring to the paracetamol claim of C?

This second point, about the sealed bottles, that's where this story indeed doesn't make any sense. I cannot find a reasonable explanation of how they would have managed to switch the substance. Doing that would probably cost them more than just shipping the legit product.

 

[Twohorn]

Guys, open the analysis report in the attachment in @Twohorn's post -- it is fake. No professional laboratory would write the result of their analysis as "GBL". What does GBL mean? The preferred IUPAC name of the chemical is oxolan-2-one, while the common name that the abbreviation GBL stands for is γ-butyrolactone. GBL can stand for a dozen of things and it is by no means a professional chemical name or identifier.

Energy Control have an excellent reputation as one of very few organizations offering an international drug testing service. The target recipient of the report is usually a recreational drug user, not a professional chemist, which is why the report is written in terms they are likely to be more familiar with.

@RainAndSadness I do not doubt the veracity reports from any of the more active users of this forum. I actually did not test my product from C until after I had used it because I had faith in reports of 60-70% purity N from users here. I only posted my personal experience in hope it would be helpful for the forum. There's no benefit to me to lie about this, but there's ultimately no way I can provide categorical proof for the forum.

 

[Taos]

@Twohorn could you please post quality photos of your N (including the bottom) with your username in the pic, to confirm it is you.

 

[Dolunay]

Not to mention that that report seems to be made in Paint, Windows 98. Seriously, now.

Besides what other members promptly pointed out (and I thank you guys for that), do you think that a well-known lab would write their name with no space between the words (EnergyControl??!! it's Energy Control!)?
Would they just put in there some horrible unaligned tables with generic denomination of the substances analyzed?
Would they use an American date format, given that they're in Spain?

Seriously, in 5 minutes on Pages I would make a way better and more authentic-looking report than that.

 

[HopelessFight]

Not to mention that that report seems to be made in Paint, Windows 98. Seriously, now.

Besides what other members promptly pointed out (and I thank you guys for that), do you think that a well-known lab would write their name with no space between the words (EnergyControl??!! it's Energy Control!)?
Would they just put in there some horrible unaligned tables with generic denomination of the substances analyzed?
Would they use an American date format, given that they're in Spain?

Seriously, in 5 minutes on Pages I would make a way better and more authentic-looking report than that.

From what I read here, @RainAndSadness has seen reports from this company before, so she can confirm if this report looks legit or not.

Honestly, their website looks like it's from 15 years ago as well, while it's a legit company. I suspect the report itself is legit, question is if this is indeed a test report of A or D's N. I'm still sceptical, because the bottles are sealed and these are not normal bottles you can just easily create yourself.

 

[watchingthewheels]

Not to mention that that report seems to be made in Paint, Windows 98.

The pdf file info indicates it was created in "Writer, LibreOffice 5.1", FWIW...

 

[Twohorn]

@Twohorn could you please post quality photos of your N (including the bottom) with your username in the pic, to confirm it is you.

I've PM'd you the pictures you requested.

 

[HopelessFight]

I've PM'd you the pictures you requested.

Could you PM me these as well please?

EDIT:
@Twohorn has sent a photo of the bottles (the exact same one as I have) with his username written on a paper.

 

[intr0verse]

I would like to report findings, having tested bottles of 'N' from both Mexican suppliers, D and A. Oddly, both orders had completely identical packaging, leading me to believe that the two Mexican suppliers are possibly the same person, or are at least closely linked in some way.

Unfortunately, the Exit International test cassettes found no barbiturates in bottles from either supplier.

Samples were sent to Energy Control for GC/MS testing. They were eventually able to identify the sole active substance in each liquid was GBL, confirming no barbiturates were present.
GBL may be useful for self deliverance, but it is certainly an inferior substitute for N, and if one did want to choose this substance they would certainly be able to find it far more cheaply elsewhere.

I have also tested powder 'N' from the supplier known as C, which was found to be no more than paracetamol.

Perhaps these suppliers are simply 'selective scammers', and others are more fortunate than me in obtaining genuine product, but based on my experience I would not recommend that anyone hand over the considerable sums demanded by these sellers.

I call this big BS. A scammer wouldn't even bother sending you something after they've got your money. Unfortunatelly there are so many examples of people sending money to scammers only to get emails asking for more money to solve some "issues" with the customs.
I've never heard of any quality problems with A's or D's N on the PPeH forums. Lost bottles, confiscated, broken, delayed parcels, yes; quality problems, never.

 

[HopelessFight]

There is only one solution to resolve this issue once and for all: someone else has to test his/her recent received bottles from A or D. If this claim is true, I assume there should be reports coming up about it on the PPeH forums (of which I don't have access to), since Exit sells Nembutal test kits and at some point someone would report such thing if this is really true.

 

[watchingthewheels]

I was able to open up that pdf of the results, and edit it myself in Libre Writer. It was easy.
I was able to open the pdf of the results in libre writer, and everything was editable text boxes.
I changed the results from "GBL" to "Inconclusive".
FYI.

 

[Taos]

If this is true, this is surely proof that A is D. There's little chance A and D's emails could be compromised at the same time. Also, it's a sophisticated scam, who would bother?

Is it possible there were issues with supply and A/D substituted on a random order? Extremely unethical, and damaging, but other members could have the real deal - so let's not panic. But why would he risk such a thing (his rep)? I have doubts about that report...

@watchingthewheels thanks, I know nothing about this sort of stuff.

 

[watchingthewheels]

I had Nyquil tested. Results show as Kool-Aid.

 

[suicidesheep31]

Wait. now i see something really weird.
The certificate Energy Control in gray overwrite the text but not the box containing the settings of the test.
That's really not normal

 

[watchingthewheels]

Wait. now i see something really weird.
The certificate Energy Control in gray overwrite the text but not the box containing the settings of the test.
That's really not normal

Re: the watermark: Yeah, I noted that earlier, it's behind the text/boxes...
that's because that's how it is in the libre office document in which it was created....
anyone can download that program and edit that same pdf.
In this example, I brought the watermark to the front...and changed Pento to Nyquil, and GBL to Kool-Aid...

 

[HopelessFight]

Looking at their website, they're just amateurs if it comes to IT. This will probably be a legit report (or a legit report which has been edited), I wouldn't worry about PDF details here.

 

[suicidesheep31]

If someone else could test his/her N by another company, I would feel better

 

[watchingthewheels]

Looking at their website, they're just amateurs if it comes to IT. This will probably be a legit report (or a legit report which has been edited), I wouldn't worry about PDF details here.

Except that anyone can take that document and alter it with any results desired and pass it off as legit. I'm not saying that's what happened, here, just that it's possible (I demonstrated how, and did one myself; "so easy, a caveman could do it." I could post a pdf with different results. Anyone could do it.)

If their IT is not up to muster, that casts a shadow on their reported lab results, as well.

So, like most things, just because you saw it on the internet, doesn't mean it's true..."Trust and verify"...or, just verify...

 

[Thegoldenapples]

Is the system they used in this letter the system used by EC labs? I find it unethical to issue results that can simply be edited. Not to mention the legal liabilities that could ensue from someone tampering with results. Surely they are not that stupid. I know 3 people who cbt this year from A's N. They are not here. But if it's GHB then that would be really risky and less of a chance for cbt. I don't even know how you could consume that much quantity of it.

 

[watchingthewheels]

Is the system they used in this letter the system used by EC labs? I find it unethical to issue results that can simply be edited. Not to mention the legal liabilities that could ensue from someone tampering with results. Surely they are not that stupid.

Libre Office? That's the question. It's listed in the pdf document info that was shared here (not directly from the lab), as I previously linked above; here's the info, again.

Libre Office? Yes. It's listed in the pdf document info, as I previously linked above; here's the info, again.

Contrast that with another PDF document taken from their OFFICIAL website:

https://energycontrol-international.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/EC_informes_ENG_final.pdf

which shows their pdf creater as Adobe Indesign and Acrobat:

 

[Thegoldenapples]

Libre Office? Yes. It's listed in the pdf document info, as I previously linked above; here's the info, again.

Why it is grey? I'm not an expert on computers but couldn't one jsut change their author to energy somehow? The editing thing just seems off. Would have thought it was in a PDF type doc where you can't edit. Should I send it to my friend who's a exit member and get him to post on their forum. See why Dr N thinks about it?

 

[watchingthewheels]

Why it is grey? I'm not an expert on computers but couldn't one jsut change their author to energy somehow? The editing thing just seems off. Would have thought it was in a PDF type doc where you can't edit. Should I send it to my friend who's a exit member and get him to post on their forum. See why Dr N thinks about it?

Why is what grey, the images of the pdf info? That's just how it shows on my computer when I click on the info for the pdf document (i'm on a mac). But if you dowload the pdf, you should be able to right-click on the it, and see the info options yourself on your computer.

"Energy" as the author would be done at the document creation stage, I think (in this case, in the Libre Office program.) (I could rename the pdf document in the "pdf info" box, but not the name of the author, etc, not at that stage.)

As for the editing, I didn't edit in a pdf creator. I just downloaded libre office (a free program), which is what the original document shared with us was created with, opened the pdf from there, was able to edit EVERYTHING, including the watermark arrangement, dates, names, results, etc, and then created a new pdf after I edited it. It was that easy. There was no security on the pdf that was shared with us, which is why I was able to edit it, I guess. But like I showed, a pdf from the official site was created with Adobe Indesign and Acrobat.

 

[HopelessFight]

Why it is grey? I'm not an expert on computers but couldn't one jsut change their author to energy somehow? The editing thing just seems off. Would have thought it was in a PDF type doc where you can't edit. Should I send it to my friend who's a exit member and get him to post on their forum. See why Dr N thinks about it?

Getting this to the Exit's forum attention somehow (I wish I had access) would be a good idea. At least someone over there would test their recent order from A/D as well and if this story is really true, there will be more reports about this soon.

 

[Taos]

@watchingthewheels in your opinion twohorn's report is faked?

Getting this to the Exit's forum attention somehow (I wish I had access) would be a good idea. At least someone over there would test their recent order from A/D as well and if this story is really true, there will be more reports about this soon.

Yes, and it might already be up there, but we should be mindful not to cause alarm and premature opening of bottles etc. There are doubts about this document, after all.

 

[watchingthewheels]

@watchingthewheels in your opinion twohorn's report is faked?

I can neither confirm nor deny. All I can show is that the pdf itself is available to edit by anyone.

 

[Taos]

I can neither confirm nor deny. All I can show is that the pdf itself is available to edit by anyone.

Thanks. If anyone here has access to the Exit Forum and sees discussion about this, please stress bolded.

 

[Thegoldenapples]

Why is what grey, the images of the pdf info? That's just how it shows on my computer when I click on the info for the pdf document (i'm on a mac). But if you dowload the pdf, you should be able to right-click on the it, and see the info options yourself on your computer.

"Energy" as the author would be done at the document creation stage, I think (in this case, in the Libre Office program.) (I could rename the pdf document in the "pdf info" box, but not the name of the author, etc, not at that stage.)

As for the editing, I didn't edit in a pdf creator. I just downloaded libre office (a free program), which is what the original document shared with us was created with, opened the pdf from there, was able to edit EVERYTHING, including the watermark arrangement, dates, names, results, etc, and then created a new pdf after I edited it. It was that easy. There was no security on the pdf that was shared with us, which is why I was able to edit it, I guess. But like I showed, a pdf from the official site was created with Adobe Indesign and Acrobat.

The author is in grey. Yeah my point was the fact that it can be edited so thank you for showing us that. I just find it all weird is all. Especially from a member who has been one since 2019 but then this is the only thing they post about. Also C has been out of business for ages and they didn't send me photos with lids on and intact. I requested it but still yet to receive it. If the metal casing and rubber is not on, then they might not care too much about what's actually inside. I've seen other EC results beofre and it looked nothing like that. It's sectioned out properly with more information. I don't know. Just seems a bit weird.