My Opinion and What I can say to you all. (& More)

[•茶竜•]

Seeing how everyone in here are distressed af. Now.. I may not know any of ya'lls personal life at all yes, but the thing is with teens right now are wanting to really 'end it all' I may be aware that the after life is peaceful but you wouldn't know that at all. There are multiple dimensional sides not just hell and heaven but you will never know where you'll go once you've taken that risk to end your life, it is a torture in the afterlife for those who takes their own life because it's considered as wasting the future even if you don't care what it'll be or how you'll be living in the future (and that's not in a religious way at all). Whatever happened in one of you guy's life, should rlly let it out to someone who you can fully trust. I know that would be very difficult because in this generation its slightly rare to find someone who can click with you and support your needs but it's a 50/50 chance tbf. I know most of you will say "I can't trust anybody, I always feel I'll be lied to" I understand fully because I was in that type of position. Therapists, friends or whoever can lie and mock behind your back once you've revealed how you truly feel about life and your surroundings.

I'm usually the one who helps, I came across this site and seeing how people want to die and being told to die instead of "Supporting those to avoid them unaliving themselves" is just a waste. Even if you don't care that it's a waste because it rlly is. You are the future generation but you wouldn't know that at all wouldn't you?

And the problem here is, why tf are people in here encouraging instead of giving actual help advice to those who are at the verge of death.
I see ppl telling those who is gonna 'end it all' to "Do it", "Wish you the best", "Well done! you can finally be FREE".
No, what are ya'll? Sociopaths? or a grown adult sitting there on their laptop/pc/phone telling distressed minors to die because "It's for the better", which I highly disagree with that statement of theirs. I don't understand why in this suicide discussion is encouraging people to actually die and not even giving a helping hand on what to do to stop the thought of suicide because smth has happened in these teen's personal life that has affected them sharply. Encouraging them is not the way at all, and I'd rather not hear "If they want to die, they die". Messed.
You would be the one with blood in your hands from their death, taking advantage instead of logically helping them. That's somebody's daughter/son, best friend, lover, whatever that you're taking away from (Hell one of these ppl probably has a pet that they're close to and imagine how the pet will be if their owner who is their best friend/parent not existing in their lives anymore but just a empty room). And rn it's easy for psycho fuckers like the people in here to hide behind the screen from getting involved into trouble by encouraging someone to die.
Also just because you have the "Senior member/Experienced member" role and pushing others to CTB themselves doesn't mean you're important because you're not and you'll never will be, it seems to be very spineless of you to go on to other people's suffering while you're clinging onto dear life with that long standing title.

Have some decency, help people in needs instead of being a schmuck.

And to the people who wants to die I suggest talking with someone like me or try to get professional help it's worth a try, trust me but I would recommend a psychologist,
therapists sucks ass cuz I've been through some therapy and they're just not rlly helping. I suggest a psychologist they can talk to you about it and help you find a solution on how to cope with suicidal thoughts (weather they're severe or mild). Medication will make things worse, do not ask for any of that unless if you wanna improve then I suggest herbal medication such as ashwaganda.

I understand you all, the pain is real but suicide is not the way.

 

[Kusogaki]

Completely agreed. Couldn't have worded it better.

 

[warmsand]

the core of this website is a person's right to their own body. if someone makes the decision for themselves that suicide is what they want, then why condemn them?

Whatever happened in one of you guy's life, should rlly let it out to someone who you can fully trust.

some of us have no one.

You are the future generation but you wouldn't know that at all wouldn't you?

and so are other, non-suicidal people our age. our generation will be fine.

why tf are people in here encouraging instead of giving actual help

this site, as far as i've seen, doesn't encourage suicide. some members might, but that doesn't reflect on the community as a whole. we're here to discuss our problems and mindsets with other people who will understand our situations; who will make us feel less alone. posts like this do the opposite of that.

No, what are ya'll? Sociopaths?

we're not sociopaths, just other people in pain.

You would be the one with blood in your hands from their death, taking advantage instead of logically helping them.

ultimately, it is someone's personal choice. i don't believe this site allows anyone under 18 or easily influenced to sign up. anyone that doesn't fit either of those categories is an adult and therefore has a right to their own body.

i know you mean well by this post, but calling out this entire community is not the way to go about it. don't call us sociopaths. don't call us spineless. we're depressed individuals who have no support systems in our lives for one reason or another. people have the right to do with their lives as they see fit. people can make decisions for themselves without being talked down to. i agree, we shouldn't encourage others to harm themselves. but vilifying us and telling us it's as simple as abandoning the only forum we can feel apart of a community in and getting a psychologist is not going to help us the way you think it is.

 

[Zetsubou]

Encouraging people to CTB is against the rules. If you lurked more, you would see that plenty of users here advise each other to seek help before they decide to CTB. There's even a recovery section for those who want to get better. And if a person ultimately does decide to CTB, it's usually because they have exhausted all resources and are unable to find peace. Those people want to end their suffering, and the consensus here is that their choice should be respected.

No one here is encouraging minors to die, either. This is an 18+ forum, and any minors who are caught get banned immediately. I'm fully aware that sometimes minors manage to slip through the cracks and I agree that that is unfortunate, but to act as though this forum is deliberately targeting minors is disingenuous.

 

[hungry_ghost]

And the problem here is, why tf are people in here encouraging instead of giving actual help advice to those who are at the verge of death.

There's already been multiple threads/arguments about this and the consensus tends to be that anyone offering unsolicited advice is a horrible pro-lifer.

Have some decency, help people in needs instead of being a schmuck.

There's only so much anyone can do from behind a screen. Hot-lines don't help. Calling the cops sure as shit isn't going to help.

Many folks coming here have already been through multiple possible solutions, but still struggle.

Others may not want any help at all.

 

[•茶竜•]

Encouraging people to CTB is against the rules. If you lurked more, you would see that plenty of users here advise each other to seek help before they decide to CTB. There's even a recovery section for those who want to get better. And if a person ultimately does decide to CTB, it's usually because they have exhausted all resources and are unable to find peace. Those people want to end their suffering, and the consensus here is that their choice should be respected.

No one here is encouraging minors to die, either. This is an 18+ forum, and any minors who are caught get banned immediately. I'm fully aware that sometimes minors manage to slip through the cracks and I agree that that is unfortunate, but to act as though this forum is deliberately targeting minors is disingenuous.

Yes absolutely, I read the rules to double check because I was very confused on why and how on earth are people getting away with preying upon vulnerable young adults (especially minors the most) and manipulating them through this site. I've seen a lot of "Today is the day, goodbye" and the comments underneath those titles are outrageous. Not even one person helped, just psychopaths cheering on. It's disappointing to see that it wasn't dealt with at all.

 

[Myforevercharlie]

Completely agreed. Couldn't have worded it better.

Why?

 

[uniqueusername39]

Preying on vulnerable young adults? Do you have any evidence that this site is "luring the youth" here and "cheering them" on to commit suicide? Or do you not know the difference between "encouragement" and "respect for someone's choice"?

If you really want to help, give them money for therapy, revive their dead lover, cure their cancer, turn back time, offer your time and friendship and listen to them venting for the next following days or years, instead of spouting sanctimonious bullshit assuming all suicidal people are teens and want to die because they broke up with their boyfriend.

 

[Zetsubou]

Yes absolutely, I read the rules to double check because I was very confused on why and how on earth are people getting away with preying upon vulnerable young adults (especially minors the most) and manipulating them through this site. I've seen a lot of "Today is the day, goodbye" and the comments underneath those titles are outrageous. Not even one person helped, just psychopaths cheering on. It's disappointing to see that it wasn't dealt with at all.

How do you know that not one person helped? Most users here make multiple threads/posts discussing their struggles and seeking advice, and other users respond accordingly. Some people get help through PMs, and many others explicitly make it clear that they don't want help or advice. And again, this forum does not deliberately target minors.

This is just starting to sound like Tentacrul's bullshit again. Are you one of his subscribers?

 

[jamie_]

first of all, i hope the mods don't remove this or ban you.

second of all, that saviour complex is crazy man. there's thousands of people better than you in the world who have said much more insightful, coherent things than you have here and they haven't come close to reducing suicide, it's only increased. nothing you will have said will change a thing. do you think anything you've said we haven't genuinely already read or heard before? (spoiler – the answer is no).

I'm usually the one who helps

you come from a good place of meaningful intention, but think about it for a second. what do you think you will achieve? people who have lived real lives are going to read one post from a randomer and think wow, i'm saved. seems a shot in the dark if not slightly narcissistic. you are not any less of a good person for not posting this. you do not need to try. life is brutal and people kill themselves. poverty exists, sexual assault exists, violence exists, neglect exists, abuse exists, racism exists, bullying exists – and just like how suicide exists – you alone aren't going to be able to stop it. that's a tough thing to maybe comprehend but the sooner you do the more you can rest easy. you don't need to worry about saving people – you can't. and that's fine, it doesn't mean you are failing anybody, it doesn't mean you aren't a good person.

I see ppl telling those who is gonna 'end it all' to "Do it"

no you didn't. please provide just a single screenshot of one example of this, i'd wager you won't be able to. i'll delete my account and swear never to browse this place again. that way you'll have saved me if you can just provide one screenshot of where this quote of yours has happened.

 

[Hollowman]

Yes absolutely, I read the rules to double check because I was very confused on why and how on earth are people getting away with preying upon vulnerable young adults (especially minors the most) and manipulating them through this site. I've seen a lot of "Today is the day, goodbye" and the comments underneath those titles are outrageous. Not even one person helped, just psychopaths cheering on. It's disappointing to see that it wasn't dealt with at all.

Nobody's cheering anyone on that's your misperception.

 

[betternever2havbeen]

And to the people who wants to die I suggest talking with someone like me or try to get professional help it's worth a try, trust me but I would recommend a psychologist,
therapists sucks ass cuz I've been through some therapy and they're just not rlly helping. I suggest a psychologist they can talk to you about it and help you find a solution on how to cope with suicidal thoughts (weather they're severe or mild). Medication will make things worse, do not ask for any of that unless if you wanna improve then I suggest herbal medication such as ashwaganda.

So you're getting on your high horse and then literally telling people NOT to get therapy and NOT to take medication and then peddling some herbal bs I've never even heard of? Usually I'm all for alternative therapies but it just seems hugely hypocritical, maybe someone more knowledgeable than me can say whether MH experts actually would tell you NOT to take medication because it seems unlikely. Your advice seems pretty dangerous in itself. I've never seen anyone tell someone else to "do it"-that'd be against the rules and I'd report any post I saw encouraging people. Under-18s know they're not supposed to be on this site. Honestly if you wanna help go on the goodbye threads yourself and see how many people you can personally save since you know so much.

 

[Viranamari]

This is a pro-choice website. The recovery section is for those who want to get better and the suicide discussion section is for those who exhausted all options but still didn't find meaning in life. And if you did search thoroughly, you would've realised that no one is encouraging anyone else to die and they probably already did encourage them to seek 'help'. Encouraging someone to die is against the rules. Members to this website already expect what they would see. If you don't like it here, then don't be here. We don't need another pro-lifer.

 

[theboy]

Information is provided here. No encouragement to die

 

[PoisonousPotato]

savior's complex again. unsollicited help again. paternalism again...

and please, please, stop with the "it gets better, trust me" that's a lie, you have no clue. don't make false promises.

just another person thinking suicidal persons are unresponsible children.

 

[Himalayan]

Ok man. You seem smart, but fr... Minors? Am i a minor too? Everyone here is +18, if some minor is here, he shouldn't be at all. The site has rules against it, we just cant control that. Really want a response tbh, totally serious.
Also, it's a mixed experience, there's the more hopeless person who cares and the one who don't, and the one that thinks death is the solution. Most people here don't even think there's an afterlife btw.

By the way, don't you think that if people are here, then that means the "logical" help available today, is just not doing the job?

Now to finish, there's absolute no one "hanging on to dear life" here mate... Maybe you watched that YouTube video and believed all the non sense.

 

[jamie_]

You seem smart

They do? I thought they typed a lot to not really say that much.

 

[Himalayan]

They do? I thought they typed a lot to not really say that much.

Smart enough to consider something a lot of people just pass through. That's just my opinion tho
Why was this guy banned... It's really just some points most here disagree whit. Continue banning these people and we will really pass that cult image.
Can't really say this guy is bad to anyone mental health, because it's damn well possible to spiral down into even worse shit in Sasu, if you just take things whitout thinking. The site promotes self destructive behavior, why can't we handle a little rage?
Now i can't talk whit this mf, awesome.

 

[OceanBlue]

There are multiple dimensional sides not just hell and heaven but you will never know where you'll go once you've taken that risk to end your life, it is a torture in the afterlife for those who takes their own life <...>

but I would recommend a psychologist,

It's you who needs to see a psychologist if you have false beliefs like that

I'm usually the one who helps

And to the people who wants to die I suggest talking with someone like me

Medication will make things worse, do not ask for any of that

I understand you all, the pain is real but suicide is not the way.

Whatever you do, folks, do not try 'talking with someone like' this person.

Bye, Sharon.

 

[Skathon]

I suggest talking with someone like me

I would rather die...

 

[jamie_]

All these below are different quotes from one post alone. "I" "I" "I" "I" "I" "I" know, "you" "you" "you" "you" "you" don't. Narcissistic saviour complex strikes again. You aren't anything special, OP. I've read all your lecture like the petulant child you think suicidal people are, peeps who just aren't smart enough to see. And yet despite what you put I still have exactly the same frame of mind as before. Crazy.

I may be aware that

you wouldn't know

you will never know

I know that

I know most of you will say

I understand fully because I was in

I'm usually the one who helps

you wouldn't know

but you wouldn't know that at all wouldn't you?

the problem here is

I see

You would be the one with blood in your hands

it's easy for psycho fuckers like the people in here to hide behind the screen

doesn't mean you're important because you're not and you'll never will be

it seems to be very spineless of you

I suggest talking with someone like me

trust me

I would recommend

I've been through

I suggest a

I understand you all

 

[Himalayan]

All these below are different quotes from one post alone. "I" "I" "I" "I" "I" "I" know, "you" "you" "you" "you" "you" don't. Narcissistic saviour complex strikes again. You aren't anything special, OP. I've read all your lecture like the petulant child you think suicidal people are, peeps who just aren't smart enough to see. And yet despite what you put I still have exactly the same frame of mind as before. Crazy.










































see my first post.

Yeah, maybe it's just a teenager on a power trip. Still, wanted to talk whit the guy

 

[PurpleParadigm]

Most people here shouldn't, in fact I can safely say aren't minors. In fact when it emerges that the person posting is a very young adult (18 or so) it is not seldom to see many users either take a neutral stance or suggest that perhaps all options need to be exhausted before taking your life. That said what happens here isn't a case of suicidal minors and non-suicidal bored adults, this is not the settings. This forum is full of adults of all ages, from many walks of life who are hurting. Before you go after this site, ask yourself why so many other steps which should be there have failed. I mean, you actually need to look very specifically for this site, it's not something you just stumble on.

Also imagine for a second reaching to someone like you for help. I actually NEED MEDICATION and it is taking too damn long. I lived with undiagnosed ADHD/autism well into my 30s, using harmful and self destructive methods to just get by and have a normal life. I'm now a skilled professional, with Master's degree in Engineering and years of experience working with critical infrastructure. My loved ones are proud, I can provide for them. You know why I'm here? Cause as I grow older my mental health keeps getting worse. Especially in the past two years it got so bad I find myself unable to focus even on basic things like going for groceries or throwing out the rubbish, cleaning etc. I can't keep up friendships, in fact my social circle is all but gone by now, I can hardly keep up with work because I can't focus, I keep making impulsive decision and may have just destroyed my entire career, not that it was almost destroyed as I kept missing deadlines. If I wasn't in the company for a long time and had some important know how I'd be gone by now but I resigned anyway so whatever. Ukraine war affected me directly, I had to get my family to safety and they still aren't safe. I'm happy I could but it's also tough for me financially. Oh and my future with my partner is under question because their employer has royally screwed them over so they might not be able to stay in the country. There is more though, my life is the definition of failing upwards and I fucking hate it.

 

[Secrets1]

Idk who tf this person is to come in here acting like a counselor, yellow journalist, spiritual guide, shaman and judge (EDIT: add some type of medicinal specialist like a naturopath) all at the same time. I'm glad you feel enlightened. I'm not sure I disagree with everything you said but it's not your place to try and force your beliefs on others. Nor is it anyone's fault for not coming to the same conclusions based on life experience.

People above 18 here don't want minors on the site and are not responsible for it. We deserve our own space. You don't know the situation of everyone else and are in no place to preach. This place has provided more therapy than anything you recommend to thousands of people. Just one way you mischaracterized the people, our actions and motives here. Get the fuck out.

 

[OceanBlue]

Yeah, maybe it's just a teenager on a power trip. Still, wanted to talk whit the guy

It's a religious pro-living boomer, prob a woman, there are clues in the text.

 

[jamie_]

Still, wanted to talk whit the guy

I agree:

first of all, i hope the mods don't remove this or ban you.

 

[PurpleParadigm]

savior's complex again. unsollicited help again. paternalism again...

and please, please, stop with the "it gets better, trust me" that's a lie, you have no clue. don't make false promises.

just another person thinking suicidal persons are unresponsible children.

You know, on some level I agree that it can get better. I was suicidal for a long time, back when I was a broke, borderline homeless student. At the time I struggled onward despite falling down and failing more than succeeding along the way. It did get better, but it took a toll. Right now the cracks burst. I'm deteriorating faster than getting help. Everything is falling apart. I just want to rest.

So yeah, both can be true, but you need to understand the nuances and truly empathise.

 

[Secrets1]

All these below are different quotes from one post alone. "I" "I" "I" "I" "I" "I" know, "you" "you" "you" "you" "you" don't. Narcissistic saviour complex strikes again. You aren't anything special, OP. I've read all your lecture like the petulant child you think suicidal people are, peeps who just aren't smart enough to see. And yet despite what you put I still have exactly the same frame of mind as before. Crazy.










































see my first post.

Golden!

 

[Himalayan]

No boomer would use a Patrick Bateman pfp. That shit is popular among young ppl now. I went really off topic now, this is my last msg. Haha.
Thought this guy could say smth worth it's salt, but seems like he stuck to his ideas like a stubborn mule. Sad...

It's a religious pro-living boomer, prob a woman, there are clues in the text.

 

[PurpleParadigm]

But don't you know we're all just psychopaths preying on children we need this Karen to save us.

It's 4AM, can't sleep again, this got under my skin ffs. Clearly I'm a dumb psychopath with no issues whatsoever. Pls help me Karen.

By the way look at the prices in the thread I posted about my CTB progress. Totally prices kid can afford right? Yeah totally kid friendly. But hey there is always decapritation by train which apparently falls in line with peaceful and painless way to end own life that this site stands for according to there morons. UGH