Discussion My method to ctb

[Amrfawzy]

I have been searching for way yo ctb for literally years, not continously but i have seen alot of methods and i have huge medical knowledge because of that, but till now i haven't found any reiable method.

I know that there is very good methods like taking any general anesthesia for example its most peaceful death. But we can't access these drugs, its not available for public.

So after years of searching i believe that best method and safest method as well is using beta blockers, and before you say it i know that many people say its not reiable, but i am pretty sure none of them have searched about it before.

Beta blockers mechanism of work is to just simply low your blood pressure to the point of heart failure and you will be unconscious at that time, chance of vomiting is way lower than sn for example, also severe low blood pressure won't get you permanent damage unless you are very unlucky person.

But my main concern is the time it takes, it will take around 6 hours, so what i was thinking is to combine it with another drug to fasten the process or make it more effective.

So my question is do anyone know a drug yo combine with beta blocker to maximize its effect? (other than amitriptyline)

 

[strangelife]

I have been searching for way yo ctb for literally years, not continously but i have seen alot of methods and i have huge medical knowledge because of that, but till now i haven't found any reiable method.

I know that there is very good methods like taking any general anesthesia for example its most peaceful death. But we can't access these drugs, its not available for public.

So after years of searching i believe that best method and safest method as well is using beta blockers, and before you say it i know that many people say its not reiable, but i am pretty sure none of them have searched about it before.

Beta blockers mechanism of work is to just simply low your blood pressure to the point of heart failure and you will be unconscious at that time, chance of vomiting is way lower than sn for example, also severe low blood pressure won't get you permanent damage unless you are very unlucky person.

But my main concern is the time it takes, it will take around 6 hours, so what i was thinking is to combine it with another drug to fasten the process or make it more effective.

So my question is do anyone know a drug yo combine with beta blocker to maximize its effect? (other than amitriptyline)

what kind of beta locators do you use and in what dosage are they lethal?

 

[Unknown21]

I have been searching for way yo ctb for literally years, not continously but i have seen alot of methods and i have huge medical knowledge because of that, but till now i haven't found any reiable method.

I know that there is very good methods like taking any general anesthesia for example its most peaceful death. But we can't access these drugs, its not available for public.

So after years of searching i believe that best method and safest method as well is using beta blockers, and before you say it i know that many people say its not reiable, but i am pretty sure none of them have searched about it before.

Beta blockers mechanism of work is to just simply low your blood pressure to the point of heart failure and you will be unconscious at that time, chance of vomiting is way lower than sn for example, also severe low blood pressure won't get you permanent damage unless you are very unlucky person.

But my main concern is the time it takes, it will take around 6 hours, so what i was thinking is to combine it with another drug to fasten the process or make it more effective.

So my question is do anyone know a drug yo combine with beta blocker to maximize its effect? (other than amitriptyline)

Wouldn't you need benzos, I think it would be unpleasant without diazepam or alprazolam...etc

 

[Amrfawzy]

what kind of beta locators do you use and in what dosage are they lethal?

Propranolol, dosage at least 10g, yes its lethal of course, any drug can kill you on overdose what differs is the mechanism of working

For example you may kill yourself with psinkillers overdose but that will kill you by damaging your liver which will be just slow painful death.

While beta blockers can kill you by lowering blood pressure severly and there is no pain with that.

Wouldn't you need benzos, I think it would be unpleasant without diazepam or alprazolam...etc

No need for benzos, beta blockers will lower your blood pressure so it do the function of benzos anyway, you will just loss consciousness and die, low blood pressure means no blood enough reaches your brain, so its like hanging but without getting ropes and risking being rescued or someone get traumatized by seeing you hanging with eyes popping out and purple face

 

[strangelife]

Propranolol, dosage at least 10g, yes its lethal of course, any drug can kill you on overdose what differs is the mechanism of working

For example you may kill yourself with psinkillers overdose but that will kill you by damaging your liver which will be just slow painful death.

While beta blockers can kill you by lowering blood pressure severly and there is no pain with that.

No need for benzos, beta blockers will lower your blood pressure so it do the function of benzos anyway, you will just loss consciousness and die, low blood pressure means no blood enough reaches your brain, so its like hanging but without getting ropes and risking being rescued or someone get traumatized by seeing you hanging with eyes popping out and purple face

I tried to find information about suicides with propronolone somewhere, did not find, it seems to be a very rare way. You know the nuances of how this drug works, how long it takes to lose consciousness, how long it takes to die?

 

[Amrfawzy]

I tried to find information about suicides with propronolone somewhere, did not find, it seems to be a very rare way. You know the nuances of how this drug works, how long it takes to lose consciousness, how long it takes to die?

Good methods won't be popular, i have rule which says if something is popular and everyone knows it or believe me, then its not good.

So to answer your question, about hour to fully lose consciousness, you will be very dizzy before that and won't feel any pain just light headed, and death between 6 to 9 hours max.

You can mix with amitriptyline or verapamil to enhance the effect and shorten the time needed to lose consciousness and die.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Beta blockers mechanism of work is to just simply low your blood pressure to the point of heart failure and you will be unconscious at that time, chance of vomiting is way lower than sn for example, also severe low blood pressure won't get you permanent damage unless you are very unlucky person

Having had experience with Beta-blockers especially Bisoprolol, I'm not sure how you'd go about this considering you'd need to take quite of it and even then, what could possibly trigger heart failure reliably in order to ctb. How much Bisoprolol would you even need to take anyway, for example.

No need for benzos, beta blockers will lower your blood pressure so it do the function of benzos anyway, you will just loss consciousness and die,

and yet it'll take what? 6-9 hours which is a lot of time left to be interrupted and saved.

 

[Unknown21]

Maybe CTB will come soon so I want to know if this method is better than SN. Propranolol and amitriptyline are available in my country. Would you advise me to stop using SN and use it?

 

[Amrfawzy]

Having had experience with Beta-blockers especially Bisoprolol, I'm not sure how you'd go about this considering you'd need to take quite of it and even then, what could possibly trigger heart failure reliably in order to ctb. How much Bisoprolol would you even need to take anyway, for example.

and yet it'll take what? 6-9 hours which is a lot of time left to be interrupted and saved.

Propranolol is stronger than bisoprolol, that's why i advised to use propranolol only, you need to take at least 10g crushed and dissolved in small amount of water, that 10g will be like table spoon of powder, not much as you think, also you can combine it with amitriptyline or verapamil to enhance effect.

About the time, 6-9 is not that much, just choose good place anf right timing, for example if you simply went to hotel and at 12am at night you took it till 9 am will be 9 hours, its not that hard to find 9 hours where no one will ask where you are.

Even with sn you will die after 6 hours at least, some people take like 4 hours to just lose consciousness.

Maybe CTB will come soon so I want to know if this method is better than SN. Propranolol and amitriptyline are available in my country. Would you advise me to stop using SN and use it?

For me yes i will use beta blockers even if i have sn

 

[Mimas]

Propanolol mix with phenobarbital?

 

[Unknown21]

Propranolol is stronger than bisoprolol,

Which one should i use, long or short acting propranolol?

Even with sn you will die after 6 hours at least, some people take like 4 hours to just lose consciousness.

Holy shit, is that true!!
Can you attach the source of this information please?

 

[grahf]

Too bad in my asia country i cant get access to that drugs

 

[wagner2029]

interesting, just take some pills and fall asleep, it would be much easier.
I found two articles talking about this, can I paste links here?

Abstract

Propranolol hydrochloride is a beta-adrenergic blocking drug used in a variety of clinical conditions. Overdoses can result in severe hypotensive states usually associated with bradycardia or asystole or with profound myocardial depression. We report on an 18-year-old man who ingested a massive dose of propranolol HCl in a suicide attempt. The patient was brought to the hospital in an unresponsive state within 30 minutes of ingestion. He was initially stabilized but subsequently died nine hours after the drug was ingested. Invasive monitoring during this period revealed the shock to be secondary to marked depression of his systemic vascular resistance. Cardiac rhythm and left ventricular output were maintained throughout the attempted resuscitation. This hemodynamic picture suggests that decreased systemic vascular resistance may be another mechanism of shock in significant propranolol HCl overdoses.

Abstract

Propranolol, a β-blocker (BB), is one of the drugs that can be misused for suicide. The clinical manifestations of overdose can range from asymptomatic to neurological symptoms such as seizures and loss of consciousness, cardiac shock, and even death. Herein, we describe 2 cases that were referred to our hospital's emergency department in northern Iran: The first case was a 37-year-old woman who suffered from a decreased level of consciousness, bradycardia, and hypotension after ingesting 4 g of propranolol tablets. In the second case, a 32-year-old woman was admitted with complete cardiac arrest and a suspected history of ingesting 4.8 g of propranolol pills a few hours before admission. Therefore, the time interval between pill intake and treatment initiation seems to be one of the most important factors in prognosis, in addition to the number and dosage of pills ingested.
Keywords: Propranolol, suicide, seizures, cardiac arrest

 

[todienomore]

A Fatal Case of Amlodipine Poisoning

Abstract. A fatal case attributed to amlodipine intoxication is presented. The deceased was a 15-year-old girl who allegedly ingested 14 10-mg Istin tablet

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The key thing when reading case reports is noting the gaps in information. They arent a good record of the persons experience. Like I think there would be shock symptoms with some of these at the end.

 

[wagner2029]

Propranolol, dosage at least 10g, yes its lethal of course, any drug can kill you on overdose what differs is the mechanism of working

For example you may kill yourself with psinkillers overdose but that will kill you by damaging your liver which will be just slow painful death.

While beta blockers can kill you by lowering blood pressure severly and there is no pain with that.

No need for benzos, beta blockers will lower your blood pressure so it do the function of benzos anyway, you will just loss consciousness and die, low blood pressure means no blood enough reaches your brain, so its like hanging but without getting ropes and risking being rescued or someone get traumatized by seeing you hanging with eyes popping out and purple face

Since 10 grams are 10000 milligrams, I would need 250 tablets of 40 milligrams, would that be it?

 

[needout]

Would you not need some AE to stop you vomiting up all the pills?

 

[Amrfawzy]

Propanolol mix with phenobarbital?

If you can access phenobarbital no need for propranolol in this case, because pheno is general anesthesia which is more enough to kill you

Which one should i use, long or short acting propranolol?

Holy shit, is that true!!
Can you attach the source of this information please?

Fast acting, and i don't have sources now, that was according to my research i did while from various sources not just one

Since 10 grams are 10000 milligrams, I would need 250 tablets of 40 milligrams, would that be it?

Yeah, but as i mentioned it will be crushed into powder first

Would you not need some AE to stop you vomiting up all the pills?

Sure yeah, its crucial step with any od not just propranolol
Remember guy that this method is just best method for people who dont have access to more lethal drugs

For example phenobarbital or any general anesthesia is considered best way to ctb but its extremely hard to access this drugs as its available in hospitals only

 

[Mimas]

If you can access phenobarbital no need for propranolol in this case, because pheno is general anesthesia which is more enough to kill you

How many phenos?
In the forum a user have 200 pills (20g)
And how long take it to death?

 

[wagner2029]

If you can access phenobarbital no need for propranolol in this case, because pheno is general anesthesia which is more enough to kill you

Fast acting, and i don't have sources now, that was according to my research i did while from various sources not just one

Yeah, but as i mentioned it will be crushed into powder first

Sure yeah, its crucial step with any od not just propranolol
Remember guy that this method is just best method for people who dont have access to more lethal drugs

For example phenobarbital or any general anesthesia is considered best way to ctb but its extremely hard to access this drugs as its available in hospitals only

What would be the best sleep inducer to go with it?

Would you not need some AE to stop you vomiting up all the pills?
Sure yeah, its crucial step with any od not just propranolol

What does AE mean?
Was it to stop vomiting?
Preparation similar to SN?
which AE?

 

[strangelife]

Even with sn you will die after 6 hours at least, some people take like 4 hours to just lose consciousness.

Is it real? I got info that people usually lost consciousness in 15-25 min, and death in 40-90 min.

 

[wagner2029]

Is it real? I got info that people usually lost consciousness in 15-25 min, and death in 40-90 min.

I gave up on the SN method because it takes time, the body turns purple or black, there will probably be vomiting.
It's not that quick and clean.
Maybe it's a stupid concern, but I wouldn't want to ruin the funeral.

 

[strangelife]

I checked, it's not a problem to buy propranolol, dosage 10mg in tablet, meaning 1000 tablets, seems to be not a one spoon.

I gave up on the SN method because it takes time, the body turns purple or black, there will probably be vomiting.
It's not that quick and clean.
Maybe it's a stupid concern, but I wouldn't want to ruin the funeral.

If compared with other methods, then sn seems to leave the body as safe as possible, only if we consider other poisons, as well as all other methods such as jumping, gunshot, train, drowning, hanging - all of them will damage the body much more. I saw a photo of the body after SN, not so bad, very pale lips, blue fingers, like that's all

 

[wagner2029]

I checked, it's not a problem to buy propranolol, dosage 10mg in tablet, men's 1000 tablets, seems to be not a one spoon.

I'm sorry, I understood that you were asking about SN, I'm also researching and found 80mg propranolol, there would be 4 boxes of 30, you don't need a prescription to buy it.

 

[strangelife]

I'm sorry, I understood that you were asking about SN, I'm also researching and found 80mg propranolol, there would be 4 boxes of 30, you don't need a prescription to buy it

I'm worried, because there is so little information about this method on the web, I'm afraid that something may go wrong and the worst thing is to stay alive and with even more health problems than there are already

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Suicide-by-ingestion-of-propranolol.-Jones-Clark/f4492cd6de38b8c5c0e90b0677d773ce402ece1e

Found some info

Europe PMC

Europe PMC is an archive of life sciences journal literature.

europepmc.org

 

[itsover090]

It works?

 

[strangelife]

Suicidal intoxication from massive propranolol ingestion is rare. Surprisingly, no reported cases have involved physicians. The author herein reports a case of self-poisoning death due to ingestion of propranolol by a young male physician. A 31-year-old man with major depressive disorder was found dead in his dormitory room. Fifteen empty packages, each having contained ten 40-mg propranolol tablets, were found without any tablets leftover in his room. A suicide note was also found in his room. He was thus alleged to have ingested 6 g of propranolol for self-poisoning. Autopsy findings revealed approximately 150 mL of pink fluid with some partially dissolved pink tablets in the stomach. No anatomic cause of death was found, except for mild dilatation of cerebral ventricles. Toxicologic analysis revealed propranolol in his blood and gastric contents. The cause of death was attributed to acute cardiac arrest due to severe acute propranolol intoxication from self-poisoning caused by major depressive disorder possibly secondary to organic brain syndrome.

 

[wagner2029]

Yes, there is this fact, many people die by accident while others try CTB and fail, but I found it interesting that the failed attempts left no side effects, I read the article about an Iranian woman who took a box, spent a week in ICU and left walking from the hospital, of course she was helped shortly after taking the medicine, another case was a boy who died even after being helped.
but it seems to me to be a cheap and reliable method.
I think the biggest problem would be the time required

 

[strangelife]

So now we have some information about propranolol, if we compare it with SN, than what is better?

Propranolol Method

I understand that this is quite a risky method and going by propranolol is not recommended. The amount needed is high and the risk of survival is also higher than some methods like SN. In theory, would 8g allow someone to ctb? I understand the half life is short for a prescription drug, so the...

sanctioned-suicide.net

 

[itsover090]

Sim, existe esse fato, muitas pessoas morrem acidentalmente enquanto outras tentativas CTB e falham, mas achei interessante que as tentativas fracassadas não deixaram efeitos colaterais, li a matéria sobre uma iraniana que pegou uma caixa, passou uma semana em UTI e saiu andando do hospital , claro que ela foi socorrida logo após tomar o remédio, outro caso foi de um menino que morreu mesmo depois de ser socorrido.
mas me parece um método barato e confiável.
Acho que o maior problema seria o tempo necessário

No Brasil não é possível adquirir fenobarbital?
Is it possible to purchase phenobarbital in Brazil?

If you can access phenobarbital no need for propranolol in this case, because pheno is general anesthesia which is more enough to kill you

Fast acting, and i don't have sources now, that was according to my research i did while from various sources not just one

Yeah, but as i mentioned it will be crushed into powder first

Sure yeah, its crucial step with any od not just propranolol
Remember guy that this method is just best method for people who dont have access to more lethal drugs

For example phenobarbital or any general anesthesia is considered best way to ctb but its extremely hard to access this drugs as its available in hospitals only

Would you have a seizure while you are unconscious?

 

[wagner2029]

No Brasil não é possível adquirir fenobarbital?
Is it possible to purchase phenobarbital in Brazil?

Would you have a seizure while you are unconscious?

In Brazil, the bureaucracy is very large, it is not as messy as many people think, the fine if someone is caught selling without permission is high and can even lead to imprisonment.
Even buying zolpidem is difficult