My homosexuality is pathological

[Snake of Eden]

I think it is not because out of brain abnormalities.
Males on spectrum are usually very sexual but majority of them cannot find female partner. Vast majority of those man are virgins. They have plenty of sexual desire and cannot fulfill it. Being gay opens you to less competitive and more open sexual market. It makes you access sex easier. I became bi like that- I just couldn't find willing female for long time. And than out of love for pleasing myself I became interested in idea of pleasing other man. It had nothing to do with wired brain abnormalities.

I know that I didnt just conveniently become homosexual out of necessity. I always was like that as long as I remember. Some people like in your case are open minded to seek same sex out of convenience

 

[motel rooms]

i think you have shown your pics before on the forum and people called you out that there is nothing that looks gay about your face. Why put yourself through the same thing again?

He has OCD. He suffers from homosexuality-related obsessions. @fox_wannabe

 

[Snake of Eden]

He has OCD. He suffers from homosexuality-related obsessions. @fox_wannabe

I kind of sensed that. I tried chatting him up before but he started to berate me over nothing other than being from my middle eastern country lol. He started accusing me of oppressing women just because i am a man from this country. That doesnt exactly tell of a good brain

 

[fox_wannabe]

I know that I didnt just conveniently become homosexual out of necessity. I always was like that as long as I remember. Some people like in your case are open minded to seek same sex out of convenience

yeah, I am not real homosexual. I was just a looser hetero. Now I know my true sexuality. I think I am asexual, besides desire for sex create suffering.

 

[Snake of Eden]

yeah, I am not real homosexual. I was just a looser hetero. Now I know my true sexuality. I think I am asexual, besides desire for sex create suffering.

Desire without fulfilment creates suffering. It is better not to want something that you can not have .

 

[Ch92921]

I said I dont believe its genetic. I believe in my case it has something to do how the hormones in the fetus interacted with the developping brain.

 

[fox_wannabe]

Desire without fulfilment creates suffering. It is better not to want something that you can not have .

Yeah. But fulfillment can never be achieved fully. There will always be better candy to eat.

 

[Superdeterminist]

It not a problem per se, but some homosexual REALLY have a biological issue(genetic,neurobiological)

I think you're definitely right about that. But, is it a disease? Well, how do we define disease? I like the definition of 'an undesirable state'. Then, if you are gay but do not want to be gay, it is a disease. But if you are gay and are indifferent/you want to be gay, then it is not a disease. If we define disease as a state which increases the likelihood of death (though I personally don't like this definition), then I'm pretty sure we cannot call being gay a disease. I am as eager as I presume you are for the scientists to properly determine the neurobiological underpinnings of homosexuality.

 

[Snake of Eden]

I think you're definitely right about that. But, is it a disease? Well, how do we define disease? I like the definition of 'an undesirable state'. Then, if you are gay but do not want to be gay, it is a disease. But if you are gay and are indifferent/you want to be gay, then it is not a disease. If we define disease as a state which increases the likelihood of death (though I personally don't like this definition), then I'm pretty sure we cannot call being gay a disease. I am as eager as I presume you are for the scientists to properly determine the neurobiological underpinnings of homosexuality.

I am eager to learn that too. That still wouldnt explain why some people have it more than others. And how in some cases homosexuality is a result of environmental factors. How about pedophilia. It is all so odd

 

[fox_wannabe]

I am eager to learn that too. That still wouldnt explain why some people have it more than others. And how in some cases homosexuality is a result of environmental factors. How about pedophilia. It is all so odd

I heard one theory that intestinal parasites cause some people to seek anal sex. Maybe pedophilia also has to do with it. It is nothing proven, it is only something speculated about with anecdotal evidence.

The logic goes something like this:
Intestinal worms make people seek anal sex to spread themselves further, same way some parasites change host behavior in other species (ants, mice, snails) to use them to spread to other animals.

 

[Superdeterminist]

I am eager to learn that too. That still wouldnt explain why some people have it more than others. And how in some cases homosexuality is a result of environmental factors. How about pedophilia. It is all so odd

Have it more than others as in some are more gay than others? I think in terms of a spectrum of homosexuality, that there's no reason why we shouldn't be able to eventually find the mechanism(s) that cause some being more or less gay than others, with enough research. I think that pedophilia also has a neurobiological basis (it inevitably must). There may indeed be environmental factors at play, but it will surely always be in the context of how these factors affect neuron activity. The answer to the cause(s) of sexual orientation in general has indeed so far been annoyingly elusive.

 

[Snake of Eden]

I heard one theory that intestinal parasites cause some people to seek anal sex. Maybe pedophilia also has to do with it. It is nothing proven, it is only something speculated about with anecdotal evidence.

The logic goes something like this:
Intestinal worms make people seek anal sex to spread themselves further, same way some parasites change host behavior in other species (ants, mice, snails) to use them to spread to other animals.

I heard that theory too. Like how parasites can influence the mind of the host to act in behaviors that will nurture and spread the parasite to others but to me in case of homosexuality it is nothing but an urban myth.

Have it more than others as in some are more gay than others? I think in terms of a spectrum of homosexuality, that there's no reason why we shouldn't be able to eventually find the mechanism(s) that cause some being more or less gay than others, with enough research. I think that pedophilia also has a neurobiological basis (it inevitably must). There may indeed be environmental factors at play, but it will surely always be in the context of how these factors affect neuron activity. The answer to the cause(s) of sexual orientation in general has indeed so far been annoyingly elusive.

Yes I meant to say that some are gay and some are bisexual. Obviously being bisexual is more heterosexual than being exclusively gay. I dont care about the acceptance of this life style but no one can tell me that being homosexual is something that is normal in the sense that males should only be attracted to females and vice versa. I dont want to get into that argument but it is how i see it.

 

[feggut]

Ooh Someone called?

Same sex attracted here too, though never had desire to act upon my attractions (ace/aro). I've never come out to anybody before. PMO and fantasies has always been more than enough for me to privately satisfy my carnal urges.
I was raised loosely protestant Christian in a broken home with a promiscuous mommy and a (mostly) absent daddy. Every single heterosexual relationship I've ever witnessed to date had been an absolute nightmare for both parties and hurt everybody else around. Love was never enough to satisfy their fleshly desires, it only created more problems. Because I was so repulsed by the flaming madness all around caused by other's lusts; when I went through puberty at around age 13, I swore a sacred oath between me an God to remain celibate and to never seek a relationship with the opposite sex.
Its difficult to say whether my shitty upbringing had any influence in my homosexual orientation, I think its too complicated a matter to pinpoint one specific cause or reason (absent father&overbearing mother/genetic predisposition/in utero hormone imbalance/early childhood trauma/etc.). Before puberty in fact I can recall certain memories of entertaining "crushes" on fictional characters of the same sex. Though could definitely infer my parents/family and their poor choices of mates might've had something major to do with my lack of desire in pursuing other human beings.
Now I've felt hella guilty for having desires for the "wrong sex" due to my Christian faith, though I think for most my life I sorta overruled the worry by instead being grateful for lacking any desire for relationships and repeating the fucked up mistakes of my parents (and their parents and so on). I think the one sin which is multitudes greater than being a faggot is instead being a breeder; bringing another innocent life into this world to be corrupted and suffer at the hands of their irresponsible selfish parents.
<rant end>

 

[Ch92921]

Gender

Have it more than others as in some are more gay than others? I think in terms of a spectrum of homosexuality, that there's no reason why we shouldn't be able to eventually find the mechanism(s) that cause some being more or less gay than others, with enough research. I think that pedophilia also has a neurobiological basis (it inevitably must). There may indeed be environmental factors at play, but it will surely always be in the context of how these factors affect neuron activity. The answer to the cause(s) of sexual orientation in general has indeed so far been annoyingly elusive.

thats because its hardly researched.

neuroscientists had to examine post morten brain, thats hardly done.

Have it more than others as in some are more gay than others? I think in terms of a spectrum of homosexuality, that there's no reason why we shouldn't be able to eventually find the mechanism(s) that cause some being more or less gay than others, with enough research. I think that pedophilia also has a neurobiological basis (it inevitably must). There may indeed be environmental factors at play, but it will surely always be in the context of how these factors affect neuron activity. The answer to the cause(s) of sexual orientation in general has indeed so far been annoyingly elusive.

Science wont find out. Because you had to examine real post morten brain and study all this different structures neubiologically between a androphilic brain and a gynophilic brain. That wont be done, so it stays ununderstood.

 

[feggut]

I heard one theory that intestinal parasites cause some people to seek anal sex. Maybe pedophilia also has to do with it. It is nothing proven, it is only something speculated about with anecdotal evidence.

The logic goes something like this:
Intestinal worms make people seek anal sex to spread themselves further, same way some parasites change host behavior in other species (ants, mice, snails) to use them to spread to other animals.

Fuck thats an absolutely horrifying theory! Makes me think of the parasite toxoplasmosis which most cats carry (and 50% of earth's human population) which has been shown to cause changes in host's behavior.

Though I hate how everyone automatically assumes ALL same sex attracted folk must be into buttstuff. Obviously yes its a majority of gheys who are, but as for me somebody who's obsessed with cleanliness, I'm utterly mortified by any sex acts involving the place where poop comes from. Guess its safe to assume I don't have any buttworms then

 

[Rational man]

In my case biological something is not right. I have theory that prenetal the testosteron in the blood in interaction with the brain made some biochemical flaws during critical time. I believe that my homosexuality isnot based on genetetic rather epigenetic. Iam very suffering.
For me this life feels wrong and always has felt wrong.

In my case biological something is not right. I have theory that prenetal the testosteron in the blood in interaction with the brain made some biochemical flaws during critical time. I believe that my homosexuality isnot based on genetetic rather epigenetic. Iam very suffering.
For me this life feels wrong and always has felt wrong.

You make it sound like a disease. Some would see it as a blessing !. If the hypocrits and bigots of our society shut their mouths, I think suffering would be less amongst minority groups. Humanity doesnt do ACCEPTANCE very well. ...It forces them to reflect in the mirror!.

 

[feggut]

The fact is you are gay. The problem is parts of our society who place greater emphasis on bigotry and less on ACCEPTANCE.

You make it sound like a disease. Some would see it as a blessing !. If the hypocrits and bigots of our society shut their mouths, I think suffering would be less amongst minority groups. Humanity doesnt do ACCEPTANCE very well. ...It forces them to reflect in the mirror!.

Hate to be "that guy", but in truth human nature dictates oppression against minority groups is likely never going away entirely. Certain clusters of people are always going to decide they don't like X group because reason YZ. Trying to silence and stamp them out will only aggravate them moreso. Though with that said, oppression of non hetero-normative folk is much, much less today than its ever been prior in history of human civilization (for the western world anyway). Those with nonstandard sexual identities no longer need to fear punishments imposed by the state such as imprisonment, chemical castration or death. Views of tolerance and acceptance has pretty much become the status quo in the dominant progressive culture as of late.

 

[Ch92921]

Wouldnt have a problems it, but in my case biological there is something very flawed.

 

[Rational man]

Hate to be "that guy", but in truth human nature dictates oppression against minority groups is likely never going away entirely. Certain clusters of people are always going to decide they don't like X group because reason YZ. Trying to silence and stamp them out will only aggravate them moreso. Though with that said, oppression of non hetero-normative folk is much, much less today than its ever been prior in history of human civilization (for the western world anyway). Those with nonstandard sexual identities no longer need to fear punishments imposed by the state such as imprisonment, chemical castration or death.

Think Nazi Germany 1939. It didnt end well!.

 

[Superdeterminist]

Wouldnt have a problems it, but in my case biological there is something very flawed.

What specifically do you feel is "flawed" about it, that is not the case in other gay people?

 

[Ch92921]

What specifically do you feel is "flawed" about it, that is not the case in other gay people?

So you would deny that Freddy Mercury had some biological, perhaps even genetic issues, which caused his homosexuality?

You make it sound like a disease. Some would see it as a blessing !. If the hypocrits and bigots of our society shut their mouths, I think suffering would be less amongst minority groups. Humanity doesnt do ACCEPTANCE very well. ...It forces them to reflect in the mirror!.

Not a disease per definition, more a biological flaw.

 

[Superdeterminist]

So you would deny that Freddy Mercury had some biological, perhaps even genetic issues, which caused his homosexuality?

Not a disease per definition, more a biological flaw.

I wouldn't deny that there is some genetic/biological basis to it. But to say it's "flawed" or a problem is saying something more beyond that.

 

[Ch92921]

I wouldn't deny that there is some genetic/biological basis to it. But to say it's "flawed" or a problem is saying something more beyond that.

You annoy me liitle bit. Probebly when you say gay men you men these who look normal or even like models. I mean these other gay men who indeed have a genetic or orher biological issue.

 

[Superdeterminist]

You annoy me liitle bit. Probebly when you say gay men you men these who look normal or even like models. I mean these other gay men who indeed have a genetic or orher biological issue.

I don't know the extent to which the biological factors causing gayness also affect facial development. It could be a little, or a lot, or something inbetween. But currently I don't think there's much evidence supporting a kind of physiognomy of gayness. Perhaps there are different subtypes of homosexuality, and only some of them affect facial development causing a certain phenotype. Nobody really knows at the moment, I'm pretty sure.

 

[feggut]

Wait Freddy Mercury was bisexual, wasn't he? He was first in love with Mary Austin who is a woman? Right??
EDIT: Or idk maybe he was like this dude here

 

[watchingthewheels]

If it is biological, some kind of genetic mishap, it's not your fault.
All you can do is work with what you have, and make the best of it.
Focus on the things you can change and control.

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

I said I dont believe its genetic. I believe in my case it has something to do how the hormones in the fetus interacted with the developping brain.

whichever the cause of your homosexuality is, I can't see where the problem stands.
When I had my late coming out, my first thought was "what if I'm not gay? What if I'm following something that is not my nature?".
I remember a few friends saying that I should have tried to date girls and find out. I couldn't even consider to date a girl as an experiment to understand my sexuality. Answers came with time. Or maybe I have given myself answers that no one else could.

There is nothing wrong or right in this life. There is just your life, that's all. If you want to live it, do it in your own way and how it makes you feel good and how it is good for yourself. No one is born as a mistake.

You want to try to change your sexual orientation? try it. Keep in mind that trying to suffocate something that is part of you is not a recipe for happiness.
But don't enforce your choices because others are dissatisfied with you, or because they call you names. If someone is not respecting you, you should rather take distances from them because they are being abusive and they can become a threat to you.

It takes courage to follow your way of life.

 

[motel rooms]

OP has OCD. He suffers from nasty homosexuality-related obsessions &, no matter how hard we try, we can't convince him that homosexuality isn't pathological & that he isn't a freak of nature. He thinks the guy in my profile pic looks gay just because I'm gay & I look a lot like him.

@Hidden Base @feggut @Rational man @watchingthewheels @My_name_is_Luka

 

[Ch92921]

My face proofs otherwise…

 

[feggut]

OP has OCD. He suffers from nasty homosexuality-related obsessions &, no matter how hard we try, we can't convince him that homosexuality isn't pathological & that he isn't a freak of nature. He thinks the guy in my profile pic looks gay just because I'm gay & I look a lot like him.

@Hidden Base @feggut @Rational man @watchingthewheels @My_name_is_Luka

I think the obsession is far more unhealthy and damaging to OP than is being afflicted with same sex attraction. For as aberrant and abhorrent as his homosexuality is, it certainly could be way worse (think p*dophillia or zo*phillia). At least it doesn't create predatory behaviors.