SpinningSong

SpinningSong

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So this time I tried hyperventilating with both nose and mouth, stood up, blew my thumb and... I found myself on the floor (was supposed to fall backwards on the bed), luckily my head landed on a bag filled with clothes. So watch out folks when you try that! The feeling was like waking up in the morning - the awful feeling of coming back to reality.. I first didn't understand if I really suceeded, but the bruise on my knee is a proof that I landed unconsciouss. Btw, is there a difference between fainting and blacking out/loosing concioussness (which I assume are the same thing). Argh, I hope I can suceed in Shallow Water Blackout with this..
 

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Ouch to injuries, but also grats getting to to work.
 
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Nice. Honestly, I love the feeling of passing out. Wishing you the best with your plans.
 
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@SpinningSong Do you have any idea how long you was unconscious for? If it was only a few seconds and you want the shallow water option couldn´t it go wrong? Or now I think of it if you pass out just for a few seconds because of lack of air and fall into water then water will fill your lungs so you wouldn´t get any air to get back to reality again I assume this is how this method works?
 
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@SpinningSong Do you have any idea how long you was unconscious for? If it was only a few seconds and you want the shallow water option couldn´t it go wrong? Or now I think of it if you pass out just for a few seconds because of lack of air and fall into water then water will fill your lungs so you wouldn´t get any air to get back to reality again I assume this is how this method works?
I'm not sure how long I was out, but woke up convulsing. I tried filming myself before, but didn't pass out and the video looked stupid so I didn't bother today - was not rly expecting to blackout. The thing is with the method you actually hold your breath underwater, I think falling into it after passing out would be slightly painful, but the main thing is that you might take a few breaths while unconscious until your body hits the water, and that is a risk of having some oxygen into your lungs which could bring you back to awareness.
 

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I'm not sure how long I was out, but woke up convulsing. I tried filming myself before, but didn't pass out and the video looked stupid so I didn't bother today - was not rly expecting to blackout. The thing is with the method you actually hold your breath underwater, I think falling into it after passing out would be slightly painful, but the main thing is that you might take a few breaths while unconscious until your body hits the water, and that is a risk of having some oxygen into your lungs which could bring you back to awareness.
Interesting so instead of using your thumb after hyperventilating you just duck under water and pass out and let your lungs fill with water while unconscious? And you wouldn´t float above the water since there is no oxygen in your lungs I assume.
 
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Interesting so instead of using your thumb after hyperventilating you just duck under water and pass out and let your lungs fill with water while unconscious? And you wouldn´t float above the water since there is no oxygen in your lungs I assume.
Hyperventilate stand up and then jump in while holding my breath, not sure anyways, just managed to pass out for the first time ever today.. For swb, some ppl are saying its dangerous and one would have to use weights, but I bet they would make me feel uncomfortable- like I'm really attempting something and not just going for a lightheaded swim. I thought also about doing it round dawn somewhere in the lake - should be empty, especially in this time of the year, yet cold, so I might have to wait for summer or rent a house with a pool. Yet if I wait for the summer it could look like an accident
 
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Hyperventilate stand up and then jump in while holding my breath, not sure anyways, just managed to pass out for the first time ever today.. For swb, some ppl are saying its dangerous and one would have to use weights, but I bet they would make me feel uncomfortable- like I'm really attempting something and not just going for a lightheaded swim. I thought also about doing it round dawn somewhere in the lake - should be empty, especially in this time of the year, yet cold, so I might have to wait for summer or rent a house with a pool. Yet if I wait for the summer it could look like an accident
Yeah the weights would freak me out because what if you didn´t pass out you´ll just drown and I have been close to drowning and it´s scary and I am certain you don´t need weights since we will start sinking without oxygen in the lungs; like many of us when we had swimming practice would take a big breath and just float and if we exhaled we would start to sink.

Also I think this is one of the few methods that actual could look accidental if you want it to look that way, I occasionally see threads asking for methods that will look like an accident and drowning would definitely be considered an accidental death.
 
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Yeah the weights would freak me out because what if you didn´t pass out you´ll just drown and I have been close to drowning and it´s scary and I am certain you don´t need weights since we will start sinking without oxygen in the lungs; like many of us when we had swimming practice would take a big breath and just float and if we exhaled we would start to sink.

Also I think this is one of the few methods that actual could look accidental if you want it to look that way, I occasionally see threads asking for methods that will look like an accident and drowning would definitely be considered an accidental death.
What conserns me is that SWB thread at the resources section is not available for further comments and I read that the guy who proposed it is not in favour of the method anymore- because of the risk of brain damage and there was a discussion about how it can go wrong.. I really wouldn't like to end up a vegetable, but I don't see where it go wrong unless someone pulls you out of the water.. And I really like the idea of not knowing if you will or will not pass out in the water. That 50/50 chance makes you less afraid to take the risk, I think its a good way to trick my SI. Not sure if I can fake an accidental drowning since I wouldn't like my family to search for me for days.. Have you considered drowning? I suppose it might not be an option after having not pleasant experience with it
 
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What conserns me is that SWB thread at the resources section is not available for further comments and I read that the guy who proposed it is not in favour of the method anymore- because of the risk of brain damage and there was a discussion about how it can go wrong.. I really wouldn't like to end up a vegetable, but I don't see where it go wrong unless someone pulls you out of the water.. And I really like the idea of not knowing if you will or will not pass out in the water. That 50/50 chance makes you less afraid to take the risk, I think its a good way to trick my SI.
What people on this forum forgets is that many methods will work it´s only if other people find you and "saves" you it can go wrong like if you´re going to ctb do it at night somewhere secluded or where people can´t get to you. Basically all people who survives a suicide attempt did only survive because other people "saved" them, if you remove people from a suicide attempt you´ll succeed with the main methods I don´t get why people can´t grasp the concept of that.
 
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What people on this forum forgets is that many methods will work it´s only if other people find you and "saves" you it can go wrong like if you´re going to ctb do it at night somewhere secluded or where people can´t get to you. Basically all people who survives a suicide attempt did only survive because other people "saved" them, if you remove people from a suicide attempt you´ll succeed with the main methods I don´t get why people can´t grasp the concept of that.
Check the end of my last post again, I added a few sentences since I realized I haven't replied fully. But gosh, since am on SS I started think of what would I do if I find someone hanging, because "saving" them could mean a torture for a lifetime..
 
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Check the end of my last post again, I added a few sentences since I realized I haven't replied fully. But gosh, since am on SS I started think of what would I do if I find someone hanging, because "saving" them could mean a torture for a lifetime..
Read the last line and I don´t think they will look for days since if you got reported missing the people who rented the house with the pool to you would quickly know it´s you.

And I have thought about if I saw someone had hanged themselves I wouldn´t try and save them because it´s pretty clear it was their decision the rope didn´t tie around their neck by itself so I have no right to take their CHOICE away from them. Another thing I have thought about was if I saw someone about to hang themselves I would out of curiosity talk to them, not discourage them I would just find it fascinating to meet a real life person who is also suicidal and hear about his/her troubles and I would assure them if they hanged made their own choice to hang themselves I wouldn´t intervene.
 
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Read the last line and I don´t think they will look for days since if you got reported missing the people who rented the house with the pool to you would quickly know it´s you.

And I have thought about if I saw someone had hanged themselves I wouldn´t try and save them because it´s pretty clear it was their decision the rope didn´t tie around their neck by itself so I have no right to take their CHOICE away from them. Another thing I have thought about was if I saw someone about to hang themselves I would out of curiosity talk to them, not discourage them I would just find it fascinating to meet a real life person who is also suicidal and hear about his/her troubles and I would assure them if they hanged made their own choice to hang themselves I wouldn´t intervene.
Hmm, I would probably intervene in the latter case.. I wouldn't like someone to do it for me though, I'm suicidal for like a few months now. But I know that me a year ago would be calling an ambulance for me today, I'm quite fucked up since Corona started. And the swb thing might not be that easy..
 
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Hmm, I would probably intervene in the latter case.. I wouldn't like someone to do it for me though, I'm suicidal for like a few months now. But I know that me a year ago would be calling an ambulance for me today, I'm quite fucked up since Corona started. And the swb thing might not be that easy..

Well that´s a first I have seen on here who has only been suicidal for a few months.

Why intervene, it´s THEIR choice not yours remember nobody asked to be born so everyone have the right to die, and since you have only been suicidal for a few months remember the person you are trying to intervene his or hers suicide most likely have suffered for many years even over a decade or longer and you don´t know their reason for it e.g. I have over a dozen physical and mental illnesses that has ruined my life and have suffered for many many years.
 
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I'm sorry to interrupt and I hope that bruise heals quickly x
I just tired this and damn it works really fast oh my gosh. I hyperventilated for 5 seconds and after blowing on my thumb I instantly notice my vision bluring and feeling like I'm going to collapse. If I chicken out with SN I'm going to do this! Thank you so much
 
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If you go into water with the weather this chilly (although I don't know where in the world you are) the cold will shock your body and make you take a deep gasp - factor that in because if you gasp air, you'll panic and the plan may fail. It's a reflex, you're very unlikely to be able to prevent it.
Also, goes without saying, exhaust all life options first!
Do what's right for you.
-Acopia:heart:
 
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Well that´s a first I have seen on here who has only been suicidal for a few months.

Why intervene, it´s THEIR choice not yours remember nobody asked to be born so everyone have the right to die, and since you have only been suicidal for a few months remember the person you are trying to intervene his or hers suicide most likely have suffered for many years even over a decade or longer and you don´t know their reason for it e.g. I have over a dozen physical and mental illnesses that has ruined my life and have suffered for many many years.
Made a worst decision in my life, then a few worse ones and triggered my depression back, I thought I fought the bitch for good (was suicidal like three years ago). If not Corona I wouldn't be here for sure, the whole thing messed with my mind, big time. Sorry for what you've been through and considering mental illness I think assisted dying should be considered way more often. Yet in the case discussed I think I would still intervene, since I know I would regret if I don't do anything, knowing I let someone die and feeling guilty afterwards.. My own selfish reasons maybe. Just being honest, I know you have a different opinion and I respect that.
I'm sorry to interrupt and I hope that bruise heals quickly x
I just tired this and damn it works really fast oh my gosh. I hyperventilated for 5 seconds and after blowing on my thumb I instantly notice my vision bluring and feeling like I'm going to collapse. If I chicken out with SN I'm going to do this! Thank you so much
Your comments are always welcome! Glad it worked for you! You can combine it with SN
Well that´s a first I have seen on here who has only been suicidal for a few months.

Why intervene, it´s THEIR choice not yours remember nobody asked to be born so everyone have the right to die, and since you have only been suicidal for a few months remember the person you are trying to intervene his or hers suicide most likely have suffered for many years even over a decade or longer and you don´t know their reason for it e.g. I have over a dozen physical and mental illnesses that has ruined my life and have suffered for many many years.
Hmm you know, ACTUALLY, I would just join them and hang myself together with the person. That would solve the debate in my head.
If you go into water with the weather this chilly (although I don't know where in the world you are) the cold will shock your body and make you take a deep gasp - factor that in because if you gasp air, you'll panic and the plan may fail. It's a reflex, you're very unlikely to be able to prevent it.
Also, goes without saying, exhaust all life options first!
Do what's right for you.
-Acopia:heart:
So what you're saying I should only do it in warm water, right? Thanks for the advise ♡
 
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So what you're saying I should only do it in warm water, right? Thanks for the advise ♡

:pfff: That's not quite what I was going for, but I s'pose it might not trigger that reflex so bad as what cold water would!
I don't know what the solution is re drowning, I don't know enough about it.. maybe if you go in head first? You'd be underwater for the gasp part then I guess.
I'm not sure, there will be people on here more familiar with drowning who may be able to advise about it better than me.
Good luck!
-A.:kiss:
 
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Discussed method differs from SWB (in its strict definition), because unconsciousness is induced by temporary oxygen starving of the brain, not by low oxygen level in the whole body (fainting technique is similar to 'Fainting Lark' technique, which physiology is explained in article: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2069749/pdf/brmedj03507-0012.pdf ). So, it does not look impossible that you may regain consciousness underwater. With SWB, there is no such risk.
 
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I would regret if I don't do anything, knowing I let someone die and feeling guilty afterwards
You should have nothing do be guilty of you say you will regret letting someone die, but think at it as the person I no longer suffering you should rather be proud for restraining yourself if you could for your own morally selfish reasons to save that person meaning no offense just stating that since you clearly would have a hard time not intervening you should be proud if you could since it´s for the best if that person ctb, because he/she clearly have thought it through and are trying to escape pain and suffering.
Hmm you know, ACTUALLY, I would just join them and hang myself together with the person. That would solve the debate in my head.
But highly unlikely I doubt they have a spare rope for you or that you have one on you and maybe the person don´t want a partner in his final moment I know I wouldn´t since I find suicide to be very personal and I wanna think about my childhood before I go. But then again if a person like you or any other suicidal person walked up to me and wanted to join I actually think I would accept because of the comfort of knowing that there is a real life person who want to escape suffering too and not just an anonymous person online.

But preferable I would want to be alone I am not looking for a partner, what we are talking about is a VERY highly unlikely scenario that surely would never happen.
 
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Discussed method differs from SWB (in its strict definition), because unconsciousness is induced by temporary oxygen starving of the brain, not by low oxygen level in the whole body (fainting technique is similar to 'Fainting Lark' technique, which physiology is explained in article: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2069749/pdf/brmedj03507-0012.pdf ). So, it does not look impossible that you may regain consciousness underwater. With SWB, there is no such risk.
Good to know! Thank you for sharing!
 

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