(MUSLIMS ONLY) Do Muslims who ctb or attempted to ctb end up in hell

[Nymph]

 

[Deleted member 94]

Reading this thread is kind of distressing. You guys shouldn't be generalizing and bashing a religion when people here say they follow it. Not a good look guys. I feel the same way if you guys would insult christianity if someone said they followed it or any other religion. To answer your question though OP from my searches the answer is likely yes as apparently there was a story where followers ended up killing themselves to go to heaven instead but the prophet emphasized that that path would not lead there.

My views are tainted by my life experiences, I've suffered at the hands of religiously devout people even in the workplace. I've been called a heretic and devil and told it's there job to convert me and others like me. On more than one occasion I've also been told frequently that the god of the Abrahamic religion is the one true God.

Just because this didn't happen to you doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

 

[issyishere]

My views are tainted by my life experiences, I've suffered at the hands of religiously devout people even in the workplace. I've been called a heretic and devil and told it's there job to convert me and others like me. On more than one occasion I've also been told frequently that the god of the Abrahamic religion is the one true God.

Just because this didn't happen to you doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

Not trying to invalidate your experience with religion but I'm pointing out other users are using this thread to bash it. OP is in pain and was asking a question and specifically asked for muslim only answers and it's really weird to see the hostility. There's a time and place for that discussion but it is not here.

 

[sadbadpsychogirl]

the chance of there being a hell is so small its not even worth it to worry about

 

[AprilsBlessings]

I'm an ex muslim and i've searched about this when i was still muslim, and yes you'll go to hell if you kill yourself, That was mentioned in Quran (وَلَا تَقْتُلُوا أَنْفُسَكُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ بِكُمْ رَحِيمًا)
النساء 29
Nor KILL (or destroy) yourselves: for verily Allah hath been to you Most Merciful! - 4:29


and said by Prophet Mohammed (مَنَ قَتَلَ نَفْسَهُ بِحَدِيدَةٍ فَحَدِيدَتُهُ فِي يَدِهِ يَتَوَجَّأُ بِهَا فِي بَطْنِهِ فِي نَارِ جَهَنَّمَ خَالِدًا مُخَلَّدًا فِيهَا أَبَدًا، وَمَنْ شَرِبَ سَمًّا فَقَتَلَ نَفْسَهُ فَهُوَ يَتَحَسَّاهُ فِي نَارِ جَهَنَّمَ خَالِدًا مُخَلَّدًا فِيهَا أَبَدًا، وَمَنْ تَرَدَّى مِنْ جَبَلٍ فَقَتَلَ نَفْسَهُ فَهُوَ يَتَرَدَّى فِي نَارِ جَهَنَّمَ خَالِدًا مُخَلَّدًا فِيهَا أَبَدًا) متفق عليه.
"Whoever kills himself with (an instrument of)iron, his iron will be in his hand, to continually stab himself in his stomach with it, in the fire of Jahannam, dwelling in that state eternally. And whoever kills himself with poison, then his poison will be in his hand, to continually take it in the Fire of Jahannam, dwelling in that state eternally. And whoever throws himself from a mountain to kill himself, then he will be continually throwing himself in the Fire of Jahannam, dwelling in that state eternally"

However, our religious people say that there are some exceptions, for example they say that Allah will forgive people who are mentally ill that it effects the way they think.

And there's a friend of Prophet Mohammad who killed himself because he was sick and the weather was so hot that he couldn't take it anymore and he cut his wrist, Mohammad says that Allah forgave him and let him in Heaven but Allah didn't fix the cut in his wrist even in heaven, that was Allah's punishment to him, in his case i think he was special for many reasons and definitely one of them that he was a friend of Mohammed and Mohammeds friends are so religious and fought for him and with him.


And that's all i know about it :)

 

[Meditation guide]

I've gotta say it, I find most religions disgusting. Take the most negative things about humanity and package them and you have a religion, such as trying to create fear and control in masses of people, trying to tell them what happens after death like they know, glorifying certain humans as if they are gods, creating scared subservient masses who give money,
and much more, none of it positive. Saying God is loving, or that there even is a God, teaching young children all of this so they can't make rational judgements about it due to being so young. None of this is admirable.

 

[sadgirl2002]

I'm not Muslim but I was, it is a sin to commit suicide and it says this in the Qur'an but there are opinions that if someone has a mental illness and this causes them to commit suicide, it will be forgiven. In other words, they will only know what happens after death, God may forgive them but no one knows for sure.

 

[Jean Améry]

And that's all i know about it :)

Not that I'm a fan of any religious dogma but to my knowledge you nailed it: unlike Christianity which does not offer a scriptural prohibition of suicide Islam clearly does. Of course this says nothing about actually going to hell as this depends on a) Allah being real and the one true god, b) his mercy not being infinite (as the Quran does state, at least if I remember it correctly) and c) the Quran being his true word (might as well have been written by power hungry individuals) but as far as dogma is concerned I'd think the conclusion is clear.

One tip: since presumably few of us are able to read Arabic perhaps you could quote in English.

 

[Antigonish]

Nope, because they think that "Alá" (their God) wants them to do the terrible things they do such as blowing up themselves in crowds.
Anyway, they might believe whatever they like but there's possibly neither a heaven nor a hell. No matter which religion they believe in.

Edit: Don't misunderstand my comment. Just like in any religion, there are good and bad people. I just wrote some harsh facts.

I get where you're coming from, but that's islamophobic. Natural assuming that is a good image for their people. When literally only a hand full committed such atrocities. Not to mention most of the countries these extremists attacked were the ones initially funding them.

 

[Keto]

Just saw the Christain one and wondering about Islam

Suicide is strictly and clearly prohibited in Islam according to Quran and Prophet sayings:
- And do not kill yourselves [or one another]. Indeed, Allah is to you ever Merciful [Qur`an 4: 29].
- "Whosoever kills himself with anything in this world will be tortured with it on the Day of Judgment."
- "Whoever throws himself down from a mountain and kills himself will be throwing himself down in the Fire of Hell for ever and ever. Whoever drinks poison and kills himself will be sipping it in the Fire of Hell for ever and ever. Whoever kills himself with a piece of iron will have that iron in his hand, thrusting it into his belly in the Fire of Hell for ever and ever."

Muslims pray for the person concerned, and request God to forgive him. When a man committed suicide during the Prophet's lifetime, the Prophet was distressed. He did not perform the janazah prayer for the deceased, but he ordered his companions to do it. When they did, they prayed for the man and requested God's forgiveness for him. This shows that the Prophet did not exclude the possibility of his being forgiven by God.

 

[puppy9]

I'm gonna delete all of my posts here. Not because I'm against my stance. It kinda makes me uncomfortable and vulnerable and I know that I'm over reacting. But it makes me feel better that's all. Hugs to all of ya

 

[Jumper Geo]

Sorry I did put a in a request in the suggestion box about OP's being able to delete messages on there created threads before they get derailed, anyway I am Christian and would like to read about the Muslins perspective on the afterlife and what to expect and any other religions.

Cheers

Geo

 

[Deleted member 94]

I'm a former Hindu and according to manu smriti or the laws of manu people who commit suicide are not allowed to get libations of water from their offspring. Not that my dad offers these to his ancestors anyway I've only ever seen one guy do it my whole Hindu life.

Doesn't really apply to me as I have no offspring.

 

[Superdeterminist]

I'm neither a Muslim nor religious, but I'd like to cite Wikipedia as I so often do:

Islam clearly forbids suicide as a verse in the Quran instructs:

"And do not kill yourselves, surely God is most Merciful to you."
— Quran 4:29

I listen to a lot of religious apologetics because I'm interested to see how religious people justify their beliefs. Something that comes up a lot is the idea that "verses have to be interpreted in context". Whilst this may be valid in some cases, It seems to me that it's technique often used simply to escape having to justify certain uncomfortable passages in holy texts.

 

[Jean Améry]

Sorry I did put a in a request in the suggestion box about OP's being able to delete messages on there created threads before they get derailed, anyway I am Christian and would like to read about the Muslins perspective on the afterlife and what to expect and any other religions.

That would make it rather easy to spread propaganda, wouldn't it? Simply start a thread and delete any replies you do no like and presto. It would be the dream of manipulative individuals and would likely lead to the formation of cliques.

Plus the only rules that matter and should matter are the rules that govern this forum as a whole: no-one but the mods should be able to interpret and enforce them. Let alone allowing someone to basically make up their own rules.

I think I get your motive here (avoiding cluttering of threads with irrelevant and hateful comments) and it's understandable but in my view it would amount to an unacceptable limitation to the freedom of speech on this forum.

 

[Its time its time]

That would make it rather easy to spread propaganda, wouldn't it? Simply start a thread and delete any replies you do no like and presto. It would be the dream of manipulative individuals and would likely lead to the formation of cliques.

Plus the only rules that matter and should matter are the rules that govern this forum as a whole: no-one but the mods should be able to interpret and enforce them. Let alone allowing someone to basically make up their own rules.

I think I understand your motive here (avoiding cluttering of threads with irrelevant and hateful comments) and it's understandable but in my view it would amount to an unacceptable limitation to the freedom of speech on this forum.

There should be a line between freedom of speech and comments that are just purely inflammatory.

Yes it's grey where the line should be drawn and how it should he enforced. But to me it's pure logic and common sense - for example the second post that has since been deleted - that's purely inflammatory to pass such a sweeping statement over a group of people.

 

[Deleted member 94]

I'm neither a Muslim nor religious, but I'd like to cite Wikipedia as I so often do:

Islam clearly forbids suicide as a verse in the Quran instructs:



I listen to a lot of religious apologetics because I'm interested to see how religious people justify their beliefs. Something that comes up a lot is the idea that "verses have to be interpreted in context". Whilst this may be valid in some cases, It seems to me that it's technique often used simply to escape having to justify certain uncomfortable passages in holy texts.

Under Islam aren't they referred to as satanic verses which their prophet quoted while under the influence of devils rather than angels. Or have I missed something?

 

[Superdeterminist]

Under Islam aren't they referred to as satanic verses which their prophet quoted while under the influence of devils rather than angels. Or have I missed something?

I have no idea, to be honest. If that were the case then I would expect Wikipedia to have mentioned it, although Wikipedia isn't perfect of course. Googling "Qur'an 4:29" comes up with nothing to really suggest that, and the verse isn't apparently mentioned at all on Wikipedia's page about Islam's "Satanic Verses". Still, I'm not sure.

 

[Jumper Geo]

That would make it rather easy to spread propaganda, wouldn't it? Simply start a thread and delete any replies you do no like and presto. It would be the dream of manipulative individuals and would likely lead to the formation of cliques.

Plus the only rules that matter and should matter are the rules that govern this forum as a whole: no-one but the mods should be able to interpret and enforce them. Let alone allowing someone to basically make up their own rules.

I think I get your motive here (avoiding cluttering of threads with irrelevant and hateful comments) and it's understandable but in my view it would amount to an unacceptable limitation to the freedom of speech on this forum.

Because we have ownership of our own threads and able to delete trolls or if it's being derailed doesn't mean members can't report it and have it deleted. I have watched 100's of threads highjacked and they are not deleted but locked.

Cheers

Geo

 

[Deleted member 94]

I have no idea, to be honest. If that were the case then I would expect Wikipedia to have mentioned it, although Wikipedia isn't perfect of course. Googling "Qur'an 4:29" comes up with nothing to really suggest that, and the verse isn't apparently mentioned at all on Wikipedia's page about Islam's "Satanic Verses". Still, I'm not sure.

Look up Salman Rushdie book the satanic verses and where he came up with the title I think that's how I first came across it. One such reference was when the prophet engaged in practice of polytheism which is against monotheism of Islam and commentators called it a satanic verse.

The Satanic Verses - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[happiestman]

Jeez. There are millions of sites and forums to discuss this "funny" topic - religion & politics. Not able to understand the rationale behind choosing suicide forum to discuss it :-)

I just commented the facts. There are bad and good muslim people. You can hate my comment, but it's just facts.

Anyway, I know your days must be really tough to consider my plain comment a toxic one. Don't worry, I've been there too many times.

Send you lots of positive energy!

(I won't reply to you anymore so as not to spam this interesting thread in which I bet more people will comment something similar to me)

BTW the fact is, good and bad people are in all religions.

 

[Ksab]

I am a Muslim (legally), I personally do not care about heaven or hell at all, since I know it would just be endless darkness after doing it. Somehow, even if those stories were true I wouldn't have a shred of regret doing it, cuz that fake desert God made my life this shitty, I would just happily accept Jahannum (Hell) and wait for this round to end.

But this is just my personal 2 cents, a proper muslim believes that doing CTB is a heinous crime and the transgressor/survivor should beg Allah to wipe their sins, since they are at most Human beings and apparently the 'The Most Beneficent, The Merciful, Allah' as stated above is very kind and forgiving who forgives almost all sins if you are pious enough.

And the above given para is true, cuz I too was asked to Cry in prayer and devoutly ask for Allah to forgive my sin, after I failed my partial hanging attempt.

 

[Deleted member 94]

I am a Muslim (legally), I personally do not care about heaven or hell at all, since I know it would just be endless darkness after doing it. Somehow, even if those stories were true I wouldn't have a shred of regret doing it, cuz that fake desert God made my life this shitty, I would just happily accept Jahannum (Hell) and wait for this round to end.

But this is just my personal 2 cents, a proper muslim believes that doing CTB is a heinous crime and the transgressor/survivor should beg Allah to wipe their sins, since they are at most Human beings and apparently the 'The Most Beneficent, The Merciful, Allah' as stated above is very kind and forgiving who forgives almost all sins if you are pious enough.

And the above given para is true, cuz I too was asked to Cry in prayer and devoutly ask for Allah to forgive my sin, after I failed my partial hanging attempt.

I'm sorry to hear that. When I failed my attempt my family aunts, cousins, sisters etc all tried to give me talismans and brother in law telling me if I had succeeded I would have become a ghost. Also was advised to take on a guru. Indians love dictating to others what to do.

 

[Nexuno]

To sum up and make it short: suicide as we know it is seen as "negative" in all religions. The only "exception" I can recall is in some buddhist schools where (under particular circumstances) suicide is seen as totally useless (they believe that taking your own life is like "swallowing your head", which actually means you'll end up exactly where you started: another shitty life).

Another major exception is sallekhana or santhara in jainism, which basically is euthanasia for old and sick people that voluntarily choose to end their life by starving themselves to death (like VSED in modern hospices).

That said in recent times some major religions seems to be more "open" to the idea that God can forgive you if you are committing the act of suicide if you are "crazy" / totally unable to understand what you are doing.

 

[Jean Améry]

There should be a line between freedom of speech and comments that are just purely inflammatory.

Yes obviously. Hence the ruleset that clearly prohibits such comments which would fall under trolling. That is however not the question which is: should members who start threads be allowed to delete posts by others in threads they started by themselves? This would in effect mean they'd take over the role of the mods in determining which posts are in accord with the rules. I think I made it clear why I think that would be a bad idea.

There is currently no grey area as to who decides what constitutes a violation of the rules and how it should be dealt with: the mods and rightfully so.

Because we have ownership of our own threads and able to delete trolls or if it's being derailed doesn't mean members can't report it and have it deleted. I have watched 100's of threads highjacked and they are not deleted but locked.

We may start a thread but we do not 'own' it: we simply put out a message for others to respond to. No more, no less. We certainly can't delete comments by ourselves (which is what you're suggesting: that OPs get control over their own threads) or kick out trolls: what we can do is report posts for violations of the rules. The mods wil then examine the claim and make a decision.

The forum is not your or my property hence we cannot decide what the rules are and who gets to post what. Anyone that disagrees with this may take it up with the mods and the owner.

It is true that all too often threads get locked simply because there's too much controversy which could be detrimental to the continuation of potentially valuable discussions. In this perhaps it would indeed be beneficial to simply delete inflammatory/irrelevant posts and perhaps prohibit repeat-offenders from participating in said discussion but imo this needs to be done by the mods and not by the OP.

Take care.

 

[Wisdom3_1-9]

That said in recent times some major religions seems to be more "open" to the idea that God can forgive you if you are committing the act of suicide if you are "crazy" / totally unable to understand what you are doing.

It's very interesting indeed that many religions seem to be coming around to the idea of forgiveness in some cases. It's a recognition that suicide is often tied to mental health and that mental health issues are becoming more prevalent in today's society. However, the undertone is still that if someone commits suicide they must not be "in their right mind." I've always had difficult with this. I believe that someone can have poor mental health but still make valid decisions. Indeed, people are knowledgeable and aware of their mental health issues and sometimes that in itself is the rationale for the decision. They know it is a disease that they cannot overcome, and they cannot bear to live with it, so they end their lives.

So while I'm happy that religious institutions seem to be coming around to the idea that suicide is not altogether an evil act and that there are extenuating circumstances that drive a person to such a situation, I still wish society would accept that the decision to ctb can be well thought-out, rational, and right.

 

[Nexuno]

However, the undertone is still that if someone commits suicide they must not be "in their right mind." I've always had difficult with this.

Me too.

I still wish society would accept that the decision to ctb can be well thought-out, rational, and right.

I think this is the direction we are heading to. The old concept of "madness" is dead and gone (psychologists knows this very well), the only thing that remains is its ghost - the taboo - and the atavic and irrational fear of death for which we, as a society, are totally unable to provide a rational idea and explanation; so any opposition to the rational decision of a person to end his own life is, paradoxically, psychiatrically irrational.

 

[charlottewilts]

I met a Muslim woman in the psych ward and she was very kind to me, but one of the things she said is that when you kill yourself, you end up living through it for eternity in Hell... when I got out of the ward I read the Qur'an and it does say so in there... but you have to understand all Abrahamic religions have a Hell, just like they all talk about a great flood and such... I personally don't think you go to Hell for suicide! it's a made up thing designed to prevent you from questioning and opposing authority...

 

[Deleted member 94]

I've gotta say it, I find most religions disgusting. Take the most negative things about humanity and package them and you have a religion, such as trying to create fear and control in masses of people, trying to tell them what happens after death like they know, glorifying certain humans as if they are gods, creating scared subservient masses who give money,
and much more, none of it positive. Saying God is loving, or that there even is a God, teaching young children all of this so they can't make rational judgements about it due to being so young. None of this is admirable.

It was a way of policing the masses at little cost to the state and it worked in this country I'm in, people still fear the church because they believe what priest say to be the absolute truth they even turn a blind eye to the offences against minors by the clergy. I just was told of a parishioner being excumunicated for teaching yoga. The priest said we are followers of Jesus and yoga endangered the soul.

 

[sihaam]

Ex Muslim here. I do not recall the Quran explicitly saying that suicide is haram. However I have read a " Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī Hadith" ( which is the most authentic BS collected traditions of the Prophet Muhammad, based on his sayings and actions)
That "Whoever kills himself with a piece of iron, his piece of iron in his hand will be thrust into his stomach in the fire of Hell forever and ever. Whoever drinks poison and kills himself, he will consume it in the fire of Hell forever and ever. Whoever throws himself off a mountain and kills himself, he will tumble into the fire of Hell forever and ever."
its BS