Make it to at least 25 before you CTB

[Kundalini Guy]

Then you will know if you're truly a failure or if life is eternally horrible for you. The brain does not stop growing up until then and you're still young, so give recovery medication and life another chance. I personally am fully recovered and want to save some lives because I KNOW some of you can make full recovery.

 

[Abandoned Character]

You are operating under an assumption that a large portion of this forum finds repulsive. You see suicide as a "bad" thing, while others see it as a necessary tool to optimize suffering. What we should be putting our energy towards is a greater acceptance of the feelings around wanting to die. Perhaps only when we are truly allowed to feel everything we need to feel in a safe space can we even see the possibilty of recovery.

While I do think it is arrogant to define someone else's minimum age other than your own, it does cause me discomfort to imagine 18 year olds committing suicide. Surely, there were alternatives to death that, if they were accessed, could result in a fulfilling life for many. All things considered, I find what you say both noble and naive.

 

[Kundalini Guy]

You are operating under an assumption that a large portion of this forum finds repulsive. You see suicide as a "bad" thing, while others see it as a necessary tool to optimize suffering. What we should be putting our energy towards is a greater acceptance of the feelings around wanting to die. Perhaps only when we are truly allowed to feel everything we need to feel in a safe space can we even see the possibilty of recovery.

While I do think it is arrogant to define someone else's minimum age other than your own, it does cause me discomfort to imagine 18 year olds committing suicide. Surely, there were alternatives to death that, if they were accessed, could result in a fulfilling life for many. All things considered, I find what you say both noble and naive.

I KNOW what this forum wants. All am saying is that a huge chunk of users here could make full recovery if they just tried.

 

[Abandoned Character]

a huge chunk of users here could make full recovery if they just tried

Personally, I agree. Are people obligated to "try," though? I felt obligated to stay alive for various reasons, and I am glad for that. Despite my feelings, it is a reasonable moral question to consider if people have an obligation to live.

What do you say to someone that responds "I know I could recover if I tried, but I do not care to."

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I think this fits more in the recovery section. But I do get your point. It saddens me that so many young people do not see a future for themselves. Some of them really might have a chance for full recovery but that needs a lot of individual support plus they must see a perspective for their lives to want to live their lives. Meds won't help here imo, they can support but basically their life conditions must be changed for a possible recovery.

That raises a question: When has someone suffered enough?

 

[ripberman]

It is admirable that you are trying to "help" young people. It should be a case-by-case determination in my view, however.

The years between 18 and 25 only solidified my resolve, and confirmed what I always knew: that for some people, life is truly not worth the pain.

 

[Forever Sleep]

The trouble is- you just don't know. My 30's were better than my 20's. Does that mean everyone should hold on until their 30's because that was my experience?

I guess there is some science behind it- something about the brain not being fully developed till 24/25. Still- I was suicidal from age 10. Not entirely convinced that my feelings changed all that much throughout that time. The reasoning behind them may have though- I simply wanted to kill myself for different reasons at different ages!

What I would definitely say though is- do examine your own situations. If you are suicidal due to a toxic home environment- you may feel better when you have broken free from that. I'd also say emotionally, we do sometimes build up a greater resilience to cope with things as we grow older. Also- a failed course or examination or- realising you've done the wrong course isn't always the end of the world either. Plenty of people re-study as mature students or make complete career changes in all stages of life.

I'm not saying it's not terrible when youngsters want to end it. I'm not saying they shouldn't reach out for help- I hope they do and I hope they receive it and it's effective. But- to stipulate someone should or shouldn't do something because of their age is likely to piss them off! Especially if they are a legal adult. It would have pissed me off. I was terribly stubborn- even at that age.

Plus- an awful lot of youngsters just don't see anything in this world that they want to live for. They don't have ambition to do anything because they can't find anything they enjoy that will realistically get them a job. They don't want to work a 9-5 the next 40-50 years. What do you say to them? You're brain will suddenly like the thought of all that when you reach 25? I doubt it will...

Sorry. I know you're trying to help but I'd say- do it on a case by case basis and also- the recovery section is likely more open to people trying to 'save' others. It doesn't usually go down too well here. And especially not when it's done in an 'I'm older, I know best' kind of way.

You made maybe the best point in your last reply: 'a huge chunk of users here could make full recovery if they just tried.' Many of us simply don't want to try! Some of us oldies (I'm 43) have been trying for decades. Many people simply don't see the end goal as being worth it either- if they actually happen to succeed. You can't convince someone to like something that they don't! I expect you're going to get a lot of flack to be honest. Adults don't enjoy being told what to do...

 

[howtodisappearr]

I KNOW what this forum wants. All am saying is that a huge chunk of users here could make full recovery if they just tried.

I am 19. I have been suicidal since I was 15 and I have tried. The family and situation that I have grown up with has permanently altered my ability to live a happy and peaceful life. I've seen over 5 different therapists since I was approx 13, tried several different antidepressants, and I have gone through periods of my life where things where I was doing much better and had hope. I even have a better relationship with my parents and my mother is now probably my closest friend and the person I trust most in this world. I even recovered after suffering for an eating disorder for three years.

So trust me, I have tried. The issue is that every time things are looking better, everything goes to shit and I'm back exactly where I started. Things finally started going well with my school marks, I'm getting A's in almost all my classes… then bam I fall into a severe depression and barely leave my room for 2 months and suddenly my whole career is over because now I'm failing all my classes and I'll never be able to be a researcher because I'm going to get kicked out of university. Or for example, after years of undergoing several different sexual traumas starting from when I was 12, I think I finally have a chance of having a normal loving relationship with someone and everything is going perfectly and then wow would you look at that we break up because he is so hurt from my past sexual experiences and it's ruining our relationship and making him unhappy.

I don't to grow up to be old and feel this way the rest of my life constantly failing and falling behind and always being an outsider with no friends. I hate getting mental health care and hearing the judging and disgust and dissapointment coming from my doctor. It's horrible that I'm being forced to live in this world and that I don't have the choice to leave.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

Sorry but no. For me, suicide is used as a way to save myself from suffering. Ultimately, I don't want to recover as I don't want to be a human. I'm not like the other people who glorify suffering. I want to prevent my suffering at all costs, even if it minute. And guess what achieves exactly that... death. Being a human fucking sucks. I don't want to work. I don't want to have responsibilities. I don't want to deal with anything life offers me. Maybe if you could convince me why I should consider recovery using all of what I said here in mind, I'll consider recovery. In fact, I'm curious as to what you'll say. Convince me why I should recover

 

[Kundalini Guy]

Sorry but no. For me, suicide is used as a way to save myself from suffering. Ultimately, I don't want to recover as I don't want to be a human. I'm not like the other people who glorify suffering. I want to prevent my suffering at all costs, even if it minute. And guess what achieves exactly that... death. Being a human fucking sucks. I don't want to work. I don't want to have responsibilities. I don't want to deal with anything life offers me. Maybe if you could convince me why I should consider recovery using all of what I said here in mind, I'll consider recovery. In fact, I'm curious as to what you'll say. Convince me why I should reEcover

Earth has cute kittens.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

Earth has cute kittens.

True. However, do these cute kittens outweigh suffering and pain or does the aforementioned cute kittens make me want me to work hard? No and no

 

[Forever Sleep]

Earth has cute kittens.

Yeah- well- there's always a flip side:

Bear in mind- domestic cats don't need to kill these birds for food. They do it for fun.

'According to the Mammal Society, cats kill up to an estimated 275 million prey a year in the UK, of which 55 million are birds.'

'Predation by domestic cats is the number-one direct, human-caused threat to birds in the United States and Canada. In the United States alone, outdoor cats kill approximately 2.4 billion birds every year. Although this number may seem unbelievable, it represents the combined impact of tens of millions of outdoor cats.'

 

[FuneralCry]

I don't really understand why threads like this are allowed in the suicide section of the forum, like if people want "help" they will go to the recovery section. I'm sorry if this offends you but people come to the suicide discussion section to escape from pro-lifers like you, this is a pro-choice forum to respect people's personal decisions, not to push anti-choice rhetoric and toxic positivity platitudes onto people.

And other people's personal decisions are just nothing to do with you, I hate how pro-life people are incapable of accepting that other people simply aren't them, just because you worship existence so much and see death as the worst thing possible doesn't mean that everybody else should have to continue suffering.

In my case I'd see it as better to die no matter what, I see suicide as a rational solution to escape from all future unnecessary suffering in an existence that was completely undesirable and futile in the first place. To me not existing is objectivley preferable as one cannot suffer from not existing, yet there is no limit as to how much one can be tormented as long as they exist.

 

[dangero]

Many people may experience temporary difficulties in life. Sometimes dark clouds come, but after them, the sun rises. Of course, I'm referring to individuals for whom suffering and depression are temporary.

Nowadays, vitamin D deficiencies are common due to technological advancements, constant indoor living, and lack of regular supplementation.
Without the sun, there is no life;
without the sun, there is no vitamin D.
Vitamin D transforms into a potent hormone in the body.
Deficiencies in vitamin D contribute to depression.
Of course, it refers to individuals without serious problems.
However, there are people who convince themselves of serious problems, so deficiencies should be replenished by everyone without exception.
https://www.neurologyadvisor.com/to...ncy-linked-to-adhd-and-depression-prevalence/


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It's not about age here, but about reasons that can be temporary.
My bad -> I shouldn't write like that, because there are different situations, and there are also those where age plays a major role and may cause temporary problems. So yes, @Kundalini Guy is right here.

The situation of someone with cancer is different, where each passing day brings more suffering. Similarly, an elderly person suffering from dementia will progressively worsen over time, impacting both the individual and others around them.

However, the situation is different for someone facing temporary problems, such as exams during studies, romantic rejection, vitamin D deficiency, or other temporary challenges.

 

[Aim]

True. However, do these cute kittens outweigh suffering and pain or does the aforementioned cute kittens make me want me to work hard? No and no

What if you met your dream person, fell in love, got a job that gave you meaning etc) ? Would that help. I know alot of mental agony can disappear if needs in a person gets more fullfilled

 

[tunnelV]

You want to "save lives" but more specifically you only vaule life under age 25. Maybe say that next time before you put on your cape to save the day. I will move along because I'm over 25.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

What if you met your dream person, fell in love, got a job that gave you meaning etc) ? Would that help. I know alot of mental agony can disappear if needs in a person gets more fullfilled

I don't think it'd make me enjoy life. Love brings its own set of problems and love isn't the be all end all that makes life worth living. As for the job part, no type of work giving me meaning. None. Working does not appeal to me and never will. I don't even want to work at all. Though, yes, I do admit that these things would help me were I to get them but the problem is that all of these things are unrealistic for me to obtain given who I am and what my neurotype is.

With that said, you at least provided better points than "earth has cute kittens" so you get some praise there.

You want to "save lives" but more specifically you only vaule life under age 25. Maybe say that next time before you put on your cape to save the day. I will move along because I'm over 25.

I don't even know if they want to save lives under 25 either. I think it's all an act just to appear virtuous. I'm under 25 and I asked them to provide a reason why I should see their world view and enjoy life and their answer seemed so generic and devoid of any real thinking... similarly to what pro life people say

 

[Aim]

I don't think it'd make me enjoy life. Love brings its own set of problems and love isn't the be all end all that makes life worth living. As for the job part, no type of work giving me meaning. None. Working does not appeal to me and never will. I don't even want to work at all. Though, yes, I do admit that these things would help me were I to get them but the problem is that all of these things are unrealistic for me to obtain given who I am and what my neurotype is.

With that said, you at least provided better points than "earth has cute kittens" so you get some praise there.

I don't even know if they want to save lives under 25 either. I think it's all an act just to appear virtuous. I'm under 25 and I asked them to provide a reason why I should see their world view and enjoy life and their answer seemed so generic and devoid of any real thinking... similarly to what pro life people say

I don't think it'd make me enjoy life. Love brings its own set of problems and love isn't the be all end all that makes life worth living. As for the job part, no type of work giving me meaning. None. Working does not appeal to me and never will. I don't even want to work at all. Though, yes, I do admit that these things would help me were I to get them but the problem is that all of these things are unrealistic for me to obtain given who I am and what my neurotype is.

With that said, you at least provided better points than "earth has cute kittens" so you get some praise there.

I don't even know if they want to save lives under 25 either. I think it's all an act just to appear virtuous. I'm under 25 and I asked them to provide a reason why I should see their world view and enjoy life and their answer seemed so generic and devoid of any real thinking... similarly to what pro life people say

Yess well in that case, I'm very sorry then. And I know how it feels And those emotions are and can be hard to get rid of sometimes! Thank you, but I don't think he ment it in a straight manner. But maybe more like in a metaphorical manner. Like; life can also have some good things to offer also. Not all has to be bleek. (Which can be true in alot of cases ) however, thank you for making me smile and laugh a bit today.
Or at least that's just my assumption of it. Anyways, it would be great though if it was only that easy for everyone. And I mean, animals can and do help alot of people to get better and give life more meaning. But yep.

 

[Life_and_Death]

It should be a case-by-case determination in my view, however.

this ^ if i could, id go back to when i almost died at about the age of 7. i would have told myself to not scream, just 'rest'.
im 25 in june, nothing is going to happen in about 6mths to change this sh!tshow

 

[Light Dreamer]

Its not easy for everyone but I do agree with the notion. Sure it does suck but you can't say for sure something won't happen to turn your life around, not in any positive way necessarily (that's hardly what's important) just, in a way where you would actually feel like living it and maybe even enjoying it (imagine that, am i right?).
I mean of course the chances are low but opposed to what they become if you don't wait at all, they might seem somewhat decent.
I can't help but feel bad for those few that are absolutely miserable however and too afraid to take 'the next step', for them any more prolonged suffering wouldn't do even a little bit of good. What's the point of false hope?

 

[Aim]

I don't really understand why threads like this are allowed in the suicide section of the forum, like if people want "help" they will go to the recovery section. I'm sorry if this offends you but people come to the suicide discussion section to escape from pro-lifers like you, this is a pro-choice forum to respect people's personal decisions, not to push anti-choice rhetoric and toxic positivity platitudes onto people.

And other people's personal decisions are just nothing to do with you, I hate how pro-life people are incapable of accepting that other people simply aren't them, just because you worship existence so much and see death as the worst thing possible doesn't mean that everybody else should have to continue suffering.

In my case I'd see it as better to die no matter what, I see suicide as a rational solution to escape from all future unnecessary suffering in an existence that was completely undesirable and futile in the first place. To me not existing is objectivley preferable as one cannot suffer from not existing, yet there is no limit as to how much one can be tormented as long as they exist.

I think the whole reason for why he posted it on this thread, is to try to help give people here, that maybe has bigger parts of them. That wants to live then to die, some more hope, and show by example that it is possible! Because it is, for alot of people! So I don't think degrading that should be completely fair to be hounest. But thats just me.

 

[tunnelV]

I don't think it'd make me enjoy life. Love brings its own set of problems and love isn't the be all end all that makes life worth living. As for the job part, no type of work giving me meaning. None. Working does not appeal to me and never will. I don't even want to work at all. Though, yes, I do admit that these things would help me were I to get them but the problem is that all of these things are unrealistic for me to obtain given who I am and what my neurotype is.

With that said, you at least provided better points than "earth has cute kittens" so you get some praise there.

I don't even know if they want to save lives under 25 either. I think it's all an act just to appear virtuous. I'm under 25 and I asked them to provide a reason why I should see their world view and enjoy life and their answer seemed so generic and devoid of any real thinking... similarly to what pro life people say

I believe it after reading their post history. Something seems extremely phony about everything they post. I was getting the impression that they are using the site for narcissistic supply. Seeing all the sad people probably brings them to life. Then the whole "I'm fine so why can't you be?" Vibe.

 

[Kundalini Guy]

I believe it after reading their post history. Something seems extremely phony about everything they post. I was getting the impression that they are using the site for narcissistic supply. Seeing all the sad people probably brings them to life. Then the whole "I'm fine so why can't you be?" Vibe.

Why are you all so defensive for? Am just trying help and save some lives. And no am not a narcissist, many people have told me of how kind I am.

 

[CPY]

I was hoping on this whole "brain doesn't fully grow until 25" thing(still kinda am) but getting well into my 24th year it really seems that my condition isn't going to improve

And yes I tried(and am still trying) meds and therapy but honestly neither of them did much for me

 

[tunnelV]

Why are you all so defensive for? Am just trying help and save some lives. And no am not a narcissist, many people have told me of how kind I am.

Yes you care so much which is why you posted something that you hear from somewhere else. The "brain doesn't fully develop until 25" is a gossip rumor you heard online. The brain doesn't stop growing until age 30. You literally post to get attention that's why your words are so empty. Imo it's rather strange that you're targeting specifically under 25 to help. Let me guess you want them to PM you so you can "help" them with more words that you heard online that aren't even factual. We're defensive because you seem inauthentic and fake.

Are you really so full of yourself that you think you're going to change someone's life by telling them "it's possible to recover because I did" it's that simple to you none of us are complex it's just that simple that you go around acting like you have figured everyone out.


Additionally if you actually cared about random people committing suicide. You would not only try to save people under 25. Do you realize that? Do you realize how you look? Do you realize you can not go around to be a caring kind person. The lack of self awareness all while pretending you have the answers.

You don't really need to reply to me. I'm over 25.

 

[Kundalini Guy]

Yes you care so much which is why you posted something that you hear from somewhere else. The "brain doesn't fully develop until 25" is a gossip rumor you heard online. The brain doesn't stop growing until age 30. You literally post to get attention that's why your words are so empty. Imo it's rather strange that you're targeting specifically under 25 to help. Let me guess you want them to PM you so you can "help" them with more words that you heard online that aren't even factual. We're defensive because you seem inauthentic and fake.

Are you really so full of yourself that you think you're going to change someone's life by telling them "it's possible to recover because I did" it's that simple to you none of us are complex it's just that simple that you go around acting like you have figured everyone out.


Additionally if you actually cared about random people committing suicide. You would not only try to save people under 25. Do you realize that? Do you realize how you look? Do you realize you can not go around to be a caring kind person. The lack of self awareness all while pretending you have the answers.

You don't really need to reply to me. I'm over 25.

I have been through some hellish stuff. Multiple psychotic episodes with Paranoid Schizophrenia. Child abuse. Lack of friends for years. Autism that makes social situations hell. Chronic emotional pain. Now you can understand why I said that others can recover too, because with all the torture I have endured throughout the years I still recovered from being suicidal.

I am genuinely trying to help, you think am faking it. Am the type of person to carry snails from the middle of the road to the side so people do not step on them. And am not posting for attention either just truly trying to help.

 

[Scattered-Soul]

Would there be any justifiable reason for someone to CTB under the age of 25 in your opinion? Like being terminally ill for example and wanting to die with dignity instead of suffering in agony to the very end.

 

[GlutenFreeCat]

I'll be 28 soon. Been waiting for the "it gets better part" for over 10 years.

 

[R_N]

"Recovery medication" made me disabled.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I have been through some hellish stuff. Multiple psychotic episodes with Paranoid Schizophrenia. Child abuse. Lack of friends for years. Autism that makes social situations hell. Chronic emotional pain. Now you can understand why I said that others can recover too, because with all the torture I have endured throughout the years I still recovered from being suicidal.

I am genuinely trying to help, you think am faking it. Am the type of person to carry snails from the middle of the road to the side so people do not step on them. And am not posting for attention either just truly trying to help.

Would you mind to explain in detail what you did to get out of your personal hell you've been through? That would give the general phrase "you still have a chance to recover" more sense imo. What has worked for you may not work for others but it could be an inspiration for others who want to try recovery.