Large petition and websites to close this website

[Astronomer]

Being on and off on this website since 2018 I've known about petitions to close this website, so wanted to share one i found today.

I was searching google history of this website for old posts of a old friend who is no longer here and i found this petition calling for the closure of Santioned Suicide,

There is also a website for this petition, https://fixthe26.com/ and www.stopsanctionedsuicide.com

The change.org petition link,

Overwhelmed with gratitude!

I just wanted to stop in and say THANK YOU to all of our supporters thus far!!! This cause is so very important to us and getting this site shut down needs to happen and needs to happen now. They are feeding on the vulnerable, a big majority being teenagers and people with disabilities! It is...

www.change.org

Below is a update from LAST MONTH for the petition which has over 8,000 signed,

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13 SEP 2020 —

I just wanted to stop in and say THANK YOU to all of our supporters thus far!!! This cause is so very important to us and getting this site shut down needs to happen and needs to happen now. They are feeding on the vulnerable, a big majority being teenagers and people with disabilities! It is NOT okay! A new website has been made and we need your help to spread the word! Please visit www.Fixte26.com and www.stopsanctionedsuicide.com to learn more about what people on this horrible site do, visit the "evidence" section on the websites listed above, VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED when view said section. A big thank you once again! You all mean so much to us and we will NOT STOP until this website and others like it are nonexistent!

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Thoughts?

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

There is also a website for this petition, www.Fixte26.com

Hey, you've got the web address wrong twice in the OP. It's "the" not "te."

 

[Life_and_Death]

i think they are wasting their breath. as long as everyone follows the rules this site cant be shut down. the mods have taken precautions to ensure this. i also think that these are people that only know how to think with their hearts and not their brains. if they were to sit down and actually think about things they would have a better understanding of A LOT of things.

 

[Astronomer]

Hey, you've got the web address wrong. It's "the" not "te."

I copied and pasted straight from their petition, fuckers can't even promote there website with the correct spelling, i've corrected it now.

 

[BipolarGuy]

I'll be the maverick again.

I think the website is perfectly reasonable because they are family members who lost their relatives to suicide, which is tragic if they were loved.
They were found to have used this forum, and the evidence section of their website confirms some of the things we all know go on from a minority of members.

Where I think they go wrong however is that they seem to think that everyone on this website is subtly encouraging each other to end their lives.
This is obviously untrue, as the vast majority of people use this forum as a result of how they are feeling.

 

[GoneGoneGone]

Honestly it feel you give them more attention than they deserve.

Guys don't click on their links, they will get your IPs if you're not using VPN

 

[Life_and_Death]

I'll be the maverick again.

I think the website is perfectly reasonable because they are family members who lost their relatives to suicide, which is tragic if they were loved.
They were found to have used this forum, and the evidence section of their website confirms some of the things we all know go on from a minority of members.

Where I think they go wrong however is that they seem to think that everyone on this website is subtly encouraging each other to end their lives.
This is obviously untrue, as the vast majority of people use this forum as a result of how they are feeling.

you said it better. i was talking from a different perspective lol

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

the evidence section of their website confirms some of the things we all know go on from a minority of members.

If you wouldn't mind...

What exactly are some of things that we all know go on from a minority of members? I do not know.

And which screenshots in the evidence section of the website support that?

 

[Xocoyotziin]

I'll be the maverick again.

I think the website is perfectly reasonable because they are family members who lost their relatives to suicide, which is tragic if they were loved.
They were found to have used this forum, and the evidence section of their website confirms some of the things we all know go on from a minority of members.

Where I think they go wrong however is that they seem to think that everyone on this website is subtly encouraging each other to end their lives.
This is obviously untrue, as the vast majority of people use this forum as a result of how they are feeling.

Yeah the grief tunnel vision is real. I think if I had never given suicide serious consideration and I found someone I loved dead after using this site it would be very easy for me to form misconceptions about what the site really is and then scour for examples to prove my viewpoint, even if those examples are of things that are also condemned by the users of the site.

But it looks like people aren't really buying it. Assuming they're not from people from this site, the evidence section is being absolutely shat on in the review box thing. 1.6 stars out of 5. Can't imagine how that must feel while also going through grief and rage, but it is speaking for itself.

 

[GoneGoneGone]

I'm not touching those websites without a VPN, so if anyone wants to relay any info... please

 

[BipolarGuy]

If you wouldn't mind...

What exactly are some of things that we all know go on from a minority of members? I do not know.

And which screenshots in the evidence section of the website support that?

I don't feel the need to read to you as you are more than capable of this yourself. Nor do I feel the need to copy text from elsewhere when you could simply click a link and read.
Also, having been on this website for 11-ish months and having made almost 6,000 posts, you are a long time active member. I don't wish to insult your intelligence by assuming that you don't have the soft skills to notice some of this stuff.

Regarding their evidence section, it is available here:

The Evidence - FIX the 26

THE EVIDENCE Please be warned that the images and information on this page may be hard to look at and NOT for children. The truth is nasty, but if we do not expose this now, more lives will be lost. UPDATE: On September 18, 2020, Sanctioned Suicide changed the look and feel of their website …...

fixthe26.com

Have a great evening, GPE.

Yeah the grief tunnel vision is real. I think if I had never given suicide serious consideration and I found someone I loved dead after using this site it would be very easy for me to form misconceptions about what the site really is and then scour for examples to prove my viewpoint, even if those examples are of things that are also condemned by the users of the site.

But it looks like people aren't really buying it. Assuming they're not from people from this site, the evidence section is being absolutely shat on in the review box thing. 1.6 stars out of 5. Can't imagine how that must feel while also going through grief and rage, but it is speaking for itself.

@Xocoyotziin

Hey,
Hope you're well.
I agree with you regarding the grief tunnel.

Regarding the page review stars, this is totally irrelevant to the quality of evidence being presented.
In fact the review feature is being used as an infantile political weapon by some members of this forum, and we should be better than that.....see GPE's profile:
@GoodPersonEffed - I feel it's only right to tag you here since I mentioned you :) (nothing personal).

 

[BipolarGuy]

I completely agree with this, although to be fair to the moderators and site owners, anyone can lie about their age.
Young people lie about their age to use Facebook for goodness sake, and requesting ID and verifying it for each member is just not practical.

 

[GoneGoneGone]

Then there are those who pretend to be over 18 with "How to skip school, can I take a bit of SN to get sent home?" and then there are members who blatantly and without evidence accuse others of not helping the 18-21 year-olds, but they won't help them themselves.

I completely agree with this, although to be fair to the moderators and site owners, anyone can lie about their age.
Young people lie about their age to use Facebook for goodness sake, and requesting ID and verifying it for each member is just not practical.

That's a good idea. Request ID. Then when a 16 year-old talks about school having used their mom's ID... busted.

 

[Emily_Numb]

I completely agree with this, although to be fair to the moderators and site owners, anyone can lie about their age.
Young people lie about their age to use Facebook for goodness sake, and requesting ID and verifying it for each member is just not practical.

They did a poll to view the ages of the people using the forum and I think it was 5 or 8% were under 18. That should have been an automatic ban.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Also, having been on this website for 11-ish months and having made almost 6,000 posts, you are a long time active member. I don't wish to insult your intelligence by assuming that you don't have the soft skills to notice some of this stuff.

That's just it. I notice the hell out of everything, even small trends, and I don't notice what you keep claiming. I've called out and reported predatory behaviors (some have been banned, one quit right after @HelensNepenthe and I called out and identified his behaviors). I've called out and reported blatant pro-life activities (several members have been banned). I've called out and reported trolls (several have been banned). And I called out and reported someone who was pro-SN and was trying to influence the tone of the site (she was banned after many complained over several months). Every time, I've provided evidence, and I didn't resort to name-calling but labeled the actions themselves. (The folks that were banned, by the way, I assume others reported them as well but I have no way of knowing. I'm not trying to take on a hero image here, but stating what I myself have done and what were the results in response to your statements about me.)

If you call out what you're claiming where it's happening, and if I agree that I'm seeing the same thing, I will also call it out and report it. If you provide evidence and I agree it is evidence of what you claim, I will report it.

After all of your posts about it with no evidence, not even a hint, only evading any requests by any member for evidence and clarity, and labeling an effusive and elusive minority group as pro-death and pro-suicide but not any specific actions, then so far the only rational conclusion I can come to is that your issue is not about an actual issue but about you or about an agenda you have. (Notice I didn't label or name-call you. I have spoken to your actions and to my assessment of them. I can easily provide evidence that this has been your ongoing trend, and it is not burdensome to do so.)

I have known of exactly one member who made provocative, pro-suicide leaning comments, and he is quoted on the Evidence page of that site. Where's the rest of the evidence? The page is right there, you don't have to sift through thousands of messages, it's one simple page.

 

[BipolarGuy]

They did a poll to view the ages of the people using the forum and I think it was 5 or 8% were under 18. That should have been an automatic ban.

Oh ok, was this a poll that asked members their age and assumed they would be honest about it?

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

They did a poll to view the ages of the people using the forum and I think it was 5 or 8% were under 18. That should have been an automatic ban.

The survey was done through a third party, all responses were anonymous.

 

[Infinite Conscious]

Should we do something?

Should we make some kind of petition?

We are a fu*king army...

If I was a hacker, I'd know what to do... every other day.

 

[Emily_Numb]

Then there are those who pretend to be over 18 with "How to skip school, can I take a bit of SN to get sent home?" and then there are members who blatantly and without evidence accuse others of not helping the 18-21 year-olds, but they won't help them themselves.

That's a good idea. Request ID. Then when a 16 year-old talks about school having used their mom's ID... busted.

ID would be impossible to request. There's no way I'd give my ID and I'm 37 years old. I want my privacy and anonymity.

I'm also not going to 'help' anyone take their own life. There is certainly a lot of 'support' from some long time members or avid posters who seem to get involved in everyone's business on here. One thing that gets me is we have some many 'experts' on Suicide but they are still here, alive, breathing. So I'm not really sure how one can be dishing out advice like it's facts and arguing and debating their point to exhaustion when it's not something they have any real life experience in. The only experts of Suicide are those who have CTB.

Anyone who mentions parents, being grounded, school, taking a bit of SN just to taste it, posts 10 threads about 'what rope is best' really should just get banned.

 

[BipolarGuy]

That's just it. I notice the hell out of everything, even small trends, and I don't notice what you keep claiming. I've called out and reported predatory behaviors (some have been banned, one quit right after @HelensNepenthe and I called out and identified his behaviors). I've called out and reported blatant pro-life activities (several members have been banned). I've called out and reported trolls (several have been banned). And I called out and reported someone who was pro-SN and was trying to influence the tone of the site (she was banned after many complained over several months). Every time, I've provided evidence, and I didn't resort to name-calling but labeled the actions themselves. (The folks that were banned, by the way, I assume others reported them as well but I have no way of knowing. I'm not trying to take on a hero image here, but stating what I myself have done and what were the results in response to your statements about me.)

If you call out what you're claiming where it's happening, and if I agree that I'm seeing the same thing, I will also call it out and report it. If you provide evidence and I agree it is evidence of what you claim, I will report it.

After all of your posts about it with no evidence, not even a hint, only evading any requests by any member for evidence and clarity, and labeling an effusive and elusive minority group as pro-death and pro-suicide but not any specific actions, then so far the only rational conclusion I can come to is that your issue is not about an actual issue but about you or about an agenda you have. (Notice I didn't label or name-call you. I have spoken to your actions and to my assessment of them. I can easily provide evidence that this has been your ongoing trend, and it is not burdensome to do so.)

I have known of exactly one member who made provocative, pro-suicide leaning comments, and he is quoted on the Evidence page of that site. Where's the rest of the evidence? The page is right there, you don't have to sift through thousands of messages, it's one simple page.

With all due respect GPE, you have a very rigid way of viewing the world which hides behind a veil of rigor. I find it very difficult to engage with this (even speaking as a mathematician and accountant), as these 'spectacles' almost always fail to "see" the real life subtleties of human social interaction.

All I can advise you is to be more observant and make up your own mind.
On the threads I have made others have agreed, as you have seen.

If you wish to assert that I have an 'agenda', that's you choice. I feel no need to convince you otherwise.

I wish you all the very best.

 

[Xocoyotziin]

@BipolarGuy
Oh haha... well that's why I added that little disclaimer about assuming it wasn't being downvoted by members of the site. Maybe the fact that I accidentally 5 starred it will balance out some of the bias.

I saw it more as being indicative of how the evidence was being perceived rather than the quality of it itself.

 

[BipolarGuy]

@BipolarGuy
Oh haha... well that's why I added that little disclaimer about assuming it wasn't being downvoted by members of the site. Maybe the fact that I accidentally 5 starred it will balance out some of the bias.

I saw it more as being indicative of how the evidence was being perceived rather than the quality of it itself.

Oh ok cool, sorry I didn't see.
I'm kind of skim reading as I'm really tired, sorry.

 

[Xocoyotziin]

Oh ok cool, sorry I didn't see.
I'm kind of skim reading as I'm really tired, sorry.

Bro I'm always skim reading it's all good
Don't have the attention span for that shit.

 

[GoneGoneGone]

I'm also not going to 'help' anyone take their own life

No, I meant that I've been accused by a more senior member that I'm against helping 18-25 year-olds go through alternatives, meds, therapy etc., but whenever we have a new young person on the forum in distress, the senior user is nowhere to be found.

BTW, that website is solely devoted to adolescents? I mean, only their lives are valuable?

 

[Emily_Numb]

I don't know why anyone wastes any energy discussing these people who are against the site. Just deal with your life and things you actually have control over.

Remember those people have lost loved ones. They have a right to grieve, hurt, rage and throw blame wherever they wish. As long as you don't actively encourage people on here, you have nothing to worry about.

I rarely post compared to a lot of people on here, but you have to be blind or totally ignorant if you can't see members actively encouraging CTB. Yes these folk are clever and do it in very subtle ways, but it's there. Open your eyes!

There are people who claim they 'helping others do it safety' 'being there with them at the last moment via webcam or phone' - these people are predators. No normal person would watch another person take their own life.

No, I meant that I've been accused by a more senior member that I'm against helping 18-25 year-olds go through alternatives, meds, therapy etc., but whenever we have a new young person on the forum in distress, the senior user is nowhere to be found.

BTW, that website is solely devoted to adolescents? I mean, only their lives are valuable?

No one ever suggests help that isn't CTB because posts get deleted or you get jumped on by other users and accused of being 'pro-life'. You can't win. Suicide should be the final option when you have exhausted all other avenues.

 

[Despondent]

Of course this can be worrisome but I would try not to worry too much about these petitions and websites.

I used to keeps tabs on these kinds of things and I still do, but not as often as I used to. These petitions very rarely make change happen and on a bigger scale, how ever many people they have siding in with them is a very, very small percentage from how many people are in this world.

Like said in the forum, some days this site will be in the public eye. More than other times. This is most likely one of those times.

 

[BipolarGuy]

I don't know why anyone wastes any energy discussing these people who are against the site. Just deal with your life and things you actually have control over.

Remember those people have lost loved ones. They have a right to grieve, hurt, rage and throw blame wherever they wish. As long as you don't actively encourage people on here, you have nothing to worry about.

I rarely post compared to a lot of people on here, but you have to be blind or totally ignorant if you can't see members actively encouraging CTB. Yes these folk are clever and do it in very subtle ways, but it's there. Open your eyes!

There are people who claim they 'helping others do it safety' 'being there with them at the last moment via webcam or phone' - these people are predators. No normal person would watch another person take their own life.

No one ever suggests help that isn't CTB because posts get deleted or you get jumped on by other users and accused of being 'pro-life'. You can't win. Suicide should be the final option when you have exhausted all other avenues.

I obviously agree with you.
However I will be fair, I've never witnessed a more helpful (in a positive way) post be deleted by a moderator. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

On the threads I have made others have agreed, as you have seen.

That is not evidence of what you claim, only evidence that someone likes what you say or agrees with you. There's still no evidence of what they agree to.

you have a very rigid way of viewing the world which hides behind a veil of rigor.

Perhaps there is something I do not see about myself. Could you provide evidence so that I can see it what I may be blind to?

as these 'spectacles' almost always fail to "see" the real life subtleties of human social interaction.

I don't understand. What are 'spectacles' in this context?

 

[BipolarGuy]

That is not evidence of what you claim, only evidence that someone likes what you say or agrees with you. There's still no evidence of what they agree to.



Perhaps there is something I do not see about myself. Could you provide evidence so that I can see it what I may be blind to?



I don't understand. What are 'spectacles' in this context?

*sigh*

Have a good evening GPE.....

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

BTW, that website is solely devoted to adolescents? I mean, only their lives are valuable?

No. If you read the page of the "victims," none of them were adolescents, all were adults.