Ketamine + SN

[Vasy93]

Would Ketamine administered intravenously before drinking SN be a good idea for a peaceful end?

 

[unkuto]

Where would you get K in the fist place? Isn't it something that is heavily regulated?

 

[Pain In The Ass]

Where would you get K in the fist place? Isn't it something that is heavily regulated?

I had a recent source for that, but it seems to have disappeared from his price list!

Would Ketamine administered intravenously before drinking SN be a good idea for a peaceful end?

I would at least drink the SN first, before the K hits, else you won't know which way is up or down! Aldous Huxley died on from cancer, whilst on a massive dose of LSD administered by his wife.

 

[myopybyproxy]

Do not IV ketamine, you will k hole before you have time to move toward the SN, much less get it all down.

Intramuscular, intranasal, or intrarectal are better routes of administration as they give you about 5 minutes before they hit.

 

[Sunset Limited]

Ketamine is an anesthetic in high doses. Anesthesia induction dose is 4.5 mg/kg without premedication with midazolam. So the anesthesia induction dose for someone who weighs 80 kg is 360 mg. I am 100 kilos. For a guarantee I would make this dose 600mg. The duration of action of the bolus dose is 10-20 minutes. CTB with SN may take longer than that. That is, an infusion is required to maintain anesthesia with ketamine.

 

[Red Scare]

Would Ketamine administered intravenously before drinking SN be a good idea for a peaceful end?

Not as peaceful as propofol. What ever happened to that idea?

Ketamine will not knock you out, not at sub-anesthetic doses. You'd be totally conscious (albeit in an altered state of consciousness) when you feel the effects of the SN

If it were me (I'm not recommending anyone else kill themselves here), I would prefer the propofol.

 

[Niko66]

I think it would be too difficult to do. Ketamine gives a sense of time dilation which could make the process more uncomfortable or worse with too weak a dose and if you dose strongly enough to be out of your senses then it would be very difficult to get the SN before you are out from the K.

 

[Sunset Limited]

I think it would be too difficult to do. Ketamine gives a sense of time dilation which could make the process more uncomfortable or worse with too weak a dose and if you dose strongly enough to be out of your senses then it would be very difficult to get the SN before you are out from the K.

Acutally you can drink SN first and then inject a bolus dose of Ketamine. Ketamine is sold as 500mg/10ml. You can administer a 10 ml injection in 5-6 seconds with a large vein and a large cannula. That's less than an arm-brain circulation time. The K effect onset time is not very short anyway. There is enough time. The real problem is how to manage the infusion that needs to continue.

 

[Niko66]

Acually you can drink SN first and then inject a bolus dose of Ketamine. Ketamine is sold as 500mg/10ml. You can administer a 10 ml injection in 5-6 seconds with a large vein and a large cannula. That's less than an arm-brain circulation time. The K effect onset time is not very short anyway. There is enough time. The real problem is how to manage the infusion that needs to continue.

That makes a lot of sense, I am not sure why I was set on the Ketamine first. Since you seem (?) to know about this and I am not sure where to look this bit, what would a knock out dose look like? Would 500mg IV not be enough? That's definitely more than enough for a k-hole but I honestly have no idea how that would feel like coupled with the SN effects or if that would be peaceful. But I would have thought 500mg would be enough for the SN to take effect with the resources thread claiming SN can achieve unconciousness by 12 minutes.

 

[Sunset Limited]

That makes a lot of sense, I am not sure why I was set on the Ketamine first. Since you seem (?) to know about this and I am not sure where to look this bit, what would a knock out dose look like? Would 500mg IV not be enough? That's definitely more than enough for a k-hole but I honestly have no idea how that would feel like coupled with the SN effects or if that would be peaceful. But I would have thought 500mg would be enough for the SN to take effect with the resources thread claiming SN can achieve unconciousness by 12 minutes.

Ketamine is an anesthetic. Dissociative anesthetic. The 4.5mg/kg dose will knock you down. No K-hole or any other experience. You become completely unconscious. The effect of the anesthesia induction dose lasts 10-20 minutes. For it to continue further, an infusion is needed.

If SN is going to make someone unconscious in 15 minutes, the induction dose of ketamine alone may not be sufficient. A maintenance dose is required. That way, until the SN kills someone, the ketamine anesthesia will keep them unconscious.

Ketalar (ketamine) dosing, indications, interactions, adverse effects, and more

Medscape - Indication-specific dosing for Ketalar (ketamine), frequency-based adverse effects, comprehensive interactions, contraindications, pregnancy & lactation schedules, and cost information.

reference.medscape.com

I think it would be too difficult to do.

I agree with that. Not realistic for someone inexperienced with IV.

 

[wanttogetonthebus]

This is an interesting question. I wonder if the ketamine would influence the absorption or metabolism of the SN somehow. I know ketamine increases the effects of barbiturates like N however. I also know that SN interferes with the effectives of N and is even used as a kind of antidote for N. Hopefully, ketamine wouldn't have that kind of effect though. Maybe it's something nobody has ever tried yet considering how difficult it is to acquire both drugs in the first place.

 

[elina]

Ketamine is an anesthetic in high doses. Anesthesia induction dose is 4.5 mg/kg without premedication with midazolam. So the anesthesia induction dose for someone who weighs 80 kg is 360 mg. I am 100 kilos. For a guarantee I would make this dose 600mg. The duration of action of the bolus dose is 10-20 minutes. CTB with SN may take longer than that. That is, an infusion is required to maintain anesthesia with ketamine.

I read that 4-5 g ketamine are lethal. Was thinking to inject it intramuscularly. Do you think it would do the job? Was wondering if i fall directly into a coma or have horror trip before. Any ideas?

 

[Duqu]

Hi I want to renew this thread so no one has to repeat themselves.

I have a medium-large amt of Ketamine (in the form of oral troches...they are dissolved under the tongue) and am well aware of its usual anesthesia qualities. I'm just wondering if it's possible to od on ketamine alone (well I've always found some old school MJ extends the period) without having to deal with other meds? Or could it like, kinda "mentally take over" from any distressing sides from what I've stashed (mostly opiates) plus all the additional meds to keep the slew *down* , a side-by-side SN od (I've had the powder for years, back when Amazon sold it with no issue)

 

[Lonerzepam]

Probably a weird question but ketamine also acts also as a bronchodilation meaning it extends the bronchial passages and you can breath much better. Could this be beneficial for SN in a way that you feel like suffocating less?

 

[Sunset Limited]

I read that 4-5 g ketamine are lethal. Was thinking to inject it intramuscularly. Do you think it would do the job? Was wondering if i fall directly into a coma or have horror trip before. Any ideas?

Maybe, maybe not. A patient in the pediatric ward was given IV ketamine ten times the required dose as a result of a misunderstanding. No clinical effects were observed, except for the usual sedation expected to result. Ketamine is labeled as "safe" alongside sedatives like propofol, thiopental, so it offers no guarantees to CTB.

Hi I want to renew this thread so no one has to repeat themselves.

I have a medium-large amt of Ketamine (in the form of oral troches...they are dissolved under the tongue) and am well aware of its usual anesthesia qualities. I'm just wondering if it's possible to od on ketamine alone (well I've always found some old school MJ extends the period) without having to deal with other meds? Or could it like, kinda "mentally take over" from any distressing sides from what I've stashed (mostly opiates) plus all the additional meds to keep the slew *down* , a side-by-side SN od (I've had the powder for years, back when Amazon sold it with no issue)

I think your answer is in this post.

Probably a weird question but ketamine also acts also as a bronchodilation meaning it extends the bronchial passages and you can breath much better. Could this be beneficial for SN in a way that you feel like suffocating less?

No. In cases of methemoglobinemia, oxygen therapy will not work because methemoglobin cannot carry oxygen.

 

[Lonerzepam]

Maybe, maybe not. A patient in the pediatric ward was given IV ketamine ten times the required dose as a result of a misunderstanding. No clinical effects were observed, except for the usual sedation expected to result. Ketamine is labeled as "safe" alongside sedatives like propofol, thiopental, so it offers no guarantees to CTB.


I think your answer is in this post.

No. In cases of methemoglobinemia, oxygen! therapy will not work because methemoglobin cannot carry oxygen.

Makes sense thank you!