Discussion Unpopular opinion but SN is a crappy CTB method

[Emerita]

Another thing is that Fent is illegal without a prescription, so it carries with obtaining it a chance of imprisonment, if one gets busted. And the DW isn't for everyone. It takes a good amount of time to learn the ins and outs of it, and even then, there's a good chance of getting ripped off.

Do what you're comfortable doing. I don't see the point of you ragging on what others choose to do. If you don't like SN, the answer is simple - just don't do it.

You don't have to worry about the law if you live where it's decriminalized and you follow the rules. As for the DW you don't need to go through that theres your local dealer. Fent is for the most part easy to come by if you have a dealer. The overdose is relatively peaceful it's like you just doze off to sleep, it's when you narcan them thats what they don't like.

But I do agree with your last statement. I think if your a drug user though fent might be you better option because it kinda just makes sense. I would use fent as a method except my drug dealer wont let me die from it so not an option for me, being monitored by other drug users who have narcan in hand to make sure I don't die isn't the best environment to succeed. Most wont have to worry about that though.

 

[quietwoods]

Also, SN is not that portable, not like it fits in a pocket and 1 pill and done.

I could very easily fit all 12 lethal doses of SN I have + a water bottle, spoon, and all requisite doses of support drugs in a single pocket. Not really sure where you're deriving this from.

Unless we're talking about women's pockets.

 

[Alexandra0]

The SN method is very popular for many reasons: 1 If you follow the protocol, death is guaranteed. 2 If it fails, there should be no serious damage. 3 Death is relatively peaceful.
I saw a video where a person who took SN died quite quickly and painlessly.
Personally, lethality is important to me first of all, I can endure relative suffering - this is the price that I may have to pay.
Where I live, Metoclopramide is sold without a prescription without any problems. I was even sold a drug similar to benzodiazepine without a prescription

 

[EmptyBottle]

I could very easily fit all 12 lethal doses of SN I have + a water bottle, spoon, and all requisite doses of support drugs in a single pocket. Not really sure where you're deriving this from.

Unless we're talking about women's pockets.

I was assuming denim pockets, I couldn't fit a bottle in my denims or a large packet of stuff. (didn't think of small plastic bags) Though yes, it might even fit in a handbag... tho taking it on public transport or physically walking with it is a bit of a risk, in case some officer thinks one is smuggling narcotics.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

As for the DW you don't need to go through that theres your local dealer. Fent is for the most part easy to come by if you have a dealer.

Well, I guess that might apply only if you're into drugs. I don't know any drug dealers, and I certainly wouldn't stand on the corner in some "shady" part of town asking any passer-by if they have some fent for sale. Sounds kind of dangerous and is NOT the way I want to go out.

I would use fent as a method except my drug dealer wont let me die from it so not an option for me, being monitored by other drug users who have narcan in hand to make sure I don't die

I guess that wouldn't make good business sense for them, since you would no longer be a repeating customer.

Afaik, there's no Methylene Blue in the hands of civilians like there is Narcan.

 

[Forveleth]

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SN is a poor method because it requires a regiment of antiemetics to reduce vomiting and nausea which do require a prescription. You also want analgesics to reduce the headache and benzos which are hard to come by for anxiety. It usually takes 30 mins to die off SN. It can cause extreme discomfort for some people like chest pain and stomach cramps without the setup. 6/10 in pain scale. Compared to fentanyl intravenously, it's simply FAR BETTER. It takes only 100-200 ug to die. You feel absolutely no pain. Death will occur in 5 mins. The first minute would be filled with the best euphoria of your life. After that, sedation/unconsciousness in 2 minutes, then death after 5 minutes. 0/10 in pain scale.

We get these threads every one in a while of someone arguing against SN and I am starting to think it is nothing more than people trolling or having some sort of agenda. Yes, different methods work better/worse for different people for various reasons. This is what happens without universal access to peaceful means of death. Is there a particular reason that you felt the need to make a thread trying to determine a method that is subjectively worse for you is objectively worse overall?

 

[Kali_Yuga13]

Ah, I see one is a huge fan of the sausage preserver.

Only fans of sausage preserver are valid. People that don't like sausage preserver are bad people. You must see a psychologist to figure out why sausage preserver triggers you and possibly get on psych meds until you see the light that sausage preserver is good. I nominate sausage preserver for President of the United States.

 

[Emerita]

Well, I guess that might apply only if you're into drugs. I don't know any drug dealers, and I certainly wouldn't stand on the corner in some "shady" part of town asking any passer-by if they have some fent for sale. Sounds kind of dangerous and is NOT the way I want to go out.


I guess that wouldn't make good business sense for them, since you would no longer be a repeating customer.

Afaik, there's no Methylene Blue in the hands of civilians like there is Narcan.

I wasn't suggesting it should be the way you go, I was just responding because you made the substance seem harder to obtain than what is the reality. If theres a market they'll supply it. Suggesting getting drugs is some kind of dangerous situation is hardly true, in some cases sure but for the most part you'll be fine. While drugs are undeniably harmful, there is a lot of stigma and propaganda surrounding them. The way you speak of them is very well why some people might not consider fent as option.
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It was mainly because they knew I was trying to ctb and that I was a minor at the time. Also because we were close in a way. Drug dealers aren't always about business they are happy for those who get sober. You seem to think of it as they are pro drug use and don't care about anyone but thats not the case for all.
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Most people don't have Narcan, and it is only a temporary to reverse the effects of opioids. This is why it is administered in increments as its effects wear off.

 

[DoomedDarkCircles]

It seems reliable if you follow the protocol correctly, not to mention less gruesome than most methods and has less chancesc of permanent damage if you fail

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I wasn't suggesting it should be the way you go, I was just responding because you made the substance seem harder to obtain than what is the reality. If theres a market they'll supply it. Suggesting getting drugs is some kind of dangerous situation is hardly true, in some cases sure but for the most part you'll be fine. While drugs are undeniably harmful, there is a lot of stigma and propaganda surrounding them. The way you speak of them is very well why some people might not consider fent as option.
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It was mainly because they knew I was trying to ctb and that I was a minor at the time. Also because we were close in a way.
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Most people don't have Narcan, and it is only a temporary to reverse the effects of opioids. This is why it is administered in increments as its effects wear off.

You can't tell me anything about drugs that I already don't know. Uppers, downers, acid, coke, reefer, opium. No heroin or fent. I was in the culture for many years. I've met all kinds of people. I've dealt with all kinds of people. I've dealt myself. I've had to insert a needle in another's arm because they were unable to do it themselves. I've even had a gun put up against my head. You can't trust anyone who's a part of it, especially dealers. It's a dangerous culture. I got out and never looked back. I stopped associating with all of the associates and "friends" I had when I was into it. Many of them are dead now, some of them murdered. I don't like to talk about this part of my life, especially since I got out better than 35 years ago. It's my past and that's where it will stay.

 

[Emerita]

You can't tell me anything about drugs that I already don't know. Uppers, downers, acid, coke, reefer, opium. No heroin or fent. I was in the culture for many years. I've met all kinds of people. I've dealt with all kinds of people. I've dealt myself. I've had to insert a needle in another's arm because they were unable to do it themselves. I've even had a gun put up against my head. You can't trust anyone who's a part of it, especially dealers. It's a dangerous culture. I got out and never looked back. I stopped associating with all of the associates and "friends" I had when I was into it. Many of them are dead now, some of them murdered. I don't like to talk about this part of my life, especially since I got out better than 35 years ago. It's my past and that's where it will stay.

ya thats true the culture is built off criminal activity and is dangerous but if your not in the culture you wont experience that same level. I have stories similar to that but Im not talking about when your in deep thats harmful and you will see and experience that. But to say by just going to pick up is dangerous is in many cases wrong.

 

[quietwoods]

I was assuming denim pockets, I couldn't fit a bottle in my denims or a large packet of stuff. (didn't think of small plastic bags) Though yes, it might even fit in a handbag... tho taking it on public transport or physically walking with it is a bit of a risk, in case some officer thinks one is smuggling narcotics.

Fanny packs. Stylish. Spacious. We need to bring them back.

 

[cowboypants]

I was assuming denim pockets, I couldn't fit a bottle in my denims or a large packet of stuff. (didn't think of small plastic bags) Though yes, it might even fit in a handbag... tho taking it on public transport or physically walking with it is a bit of a risk, in case some officer thinks one is smuggling narcotics.

You can carry it in a backpack...fit in with the age group you are or even hobby, but if you already have anxiety i think its difficult roaming around with these things

 

[Docdj]

SN is a poor method because it requires a regiment of antiemetics to reduce vomiting and nausea which do require a prescription. You also want analgesics to reduce the headache and benzos which are hard to come by for anxiety. It usually takes 30 mins to die off SN. It can cause extreme discomfort for some people like chest pain and stomach cramps without the setup. 6/10 in pain scale. Compared to fentanyl intravenously, it's simply FAR BETTER. It takes only 100-200 ug to die. You feel absolutely no pain. Death will occur in 5 mins. The first minute would be filled with the best euphoria of your life. After that, sedation/unconsciousness in 2 minutes, then death after 5 minutes. 0/10 in pain scale.

I'm from the UK and don't know any dealers unfortunately. Can you snort fentanyl?

Yes, fentanyl, heroin or morphina are better way


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[sinfonia]

It's good enough for me. I wish it were more painful, though :)