It's been 7 months since I survived taking SN

[Kayla]

Still a lot of liquid.
I saw you were kinda dead for 30 minutes.
If you don't mind me asking, during that time, did you felt anything? did you see anything? something like this:

Near-death experience - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I had a massive feeling of peace and I crave that peace all the time

 

[Amarajoy]

I think it's people who are like "I can't take this! I fucking hate life! I don't care what the PPH or people on SaSu say, I don't need emetics!" and then they go into a bathroom of the family home with family there, raw dog a cup of SN, throw all of it up, and then family come in and call an ambulance and they get the help and attention they must want.

I think when that happens, those people weren't actually really wanting to die and wanted attention, because SN often doesn't work without emetics. It's still possible to die... but it's much less likely. It could also be that because of Survival Instinct they are unable to do things the proper way also. It's hard to know. It seems strange to me. If I take SN, which is likely to happen sadly, I will almost certainly be following the protocol exactly unless it's a really extraordinary circumstance, ie there's a welfare check and i know the police are trying to find me and i grab SN and run and forget to bring the emetics with me.

I think it's people who are like "I can't take this! I fucking hate life! I don't care what the PPH or people on SaSu say, I don't need emetics!" and then they go into a bathroom of the family home with family there, raw dog a cup of SN, throw all of it up, and then family come in and call an ambulance and they get the help and attention they must want.

I think when that happens, those people weren't actually really wanting to die and wanted attention, because SN often doesn't work without emetics. It's still possible to die... but it's much less likely. It could also be that because of Survival Instinct they are unable to do things the proper way also. It's hard to know. It seems strange to me. If I take SN, which is likely to happen sadly, I will almost certainly be following the protocol exactly unless it's a really extraordinary circumstance, ie there's a welfare check and i know the police are trying to find me and i grab SN and run and forget to bring the emetics with me.

Where is the proof that SN is less likely to result in death without AE? Even the manual says all that is necessary is SN. The other stuff is just to make you more comfortable. This stuff can be fatal at 2 gram. Some people cannot take an AE and there are successful cases without. Conversely there are people that vomit with AE suggesting it doesn't even work against nausea or vomiting nor speed up absorption in any meaningful way.

 

[yesi]

Did they take your license because of the attempt or did you have to surrender it because of the meds you were put on after?

That fucking sucks to have that freedom taken away.

 

[fadedghost]

Where is the proof that SN is less likely to result in death without AE? Even the manual says all that is necessary is SN. The other stuff is just to make you more comfortable. This stuff can be fatal at 2 gram. Some people cannot take an AE and there are successful cases without. Conversely there are people that vomit with AE suggesting it doesn't even work against nausea or vomiting nor speed up absorption in any meaningful way.

great points, all true

i've seen so many failed attempts with SN on here and usually it was either not real SN, majorly expired SN, or lack of AE, and the lack of AE seemed to be the main one, but i don't know

 

[Kayla]

Did they take your license because of the attempt or did you have to surrender it because of the meds you were put on after?

That fucking sucks to have that freedom taken away.

I drove to a different county, and the police came, and they were massively rude to me, and i even remember saying how much I love my car and the freedom it gave me. He then reported me to the DVLA, and I had to fill out a bunch of forms, and they also sent forms to my doctor to fill out. Anyway, they revoked my licence, and I found out before the letter actually came, so I walked up to a cliff and stayed there for 14 hours deciding if I should jump or not. I think the police thought taking my licence away would stop me from attempting, but if anything, it made things worse. I'm basically confined to my flat on my own, and that's pretty much how I found out about sn and was able to source it. The thing is, I don't live anywhere close to walk. I'm not in a big city where I could just walk anywhere. It's been over a year since I lost it now and I applied for it back multiple times, but it all got declined. But this time, I should get it back. I've been "stable" for over 7 months now. I just want my car back so I can go and drive somewhere nice and ctb.

 

[dalemar]

great points, all true

i've seen so many failed attempts with SN on here and usually it was either not real SN, majorly expired SN, or lack of AE, and the lack of AE seemed to be the main one, but i don't know

I would say the main ones are people calling for help/being rescued, and not following THE MOST BASIC things in the protocols, like 8 hours fasting and dosing the SN correctly.

 

[yesi]

I drove to a different county, and the police came, and they were massively rude to me, and i even remember saying how much I love my car and the freedom it gave me. He then reported me to the DVLA, and I had to fill out a bunch of forms, and they also sent forms to my doctor to fill out. Anyway, they revoked my licence, and I found out before the letter actually came, so I walked up to a cliff and stayed there for 14 hours deciding if I should jump or not. I think the police thought taking my licence away would stop me from attempting, but if anything, it made things worse. I'm basically confined to my flat on my own, and that's pretty much how I found out about sn and was able to source it. The thing is, I don't live anywhere close to walk. I'm not in a big city where I could just walk anywhere. It's been over a year since I lost it now and I applied for it back multiple times, but it all got declined. But this time, I should get it back. I've been "stable" for over 7 months now. I just want my car back so I can go and drive somewhere nice and ctb.

yeah i get you, being confined just makes it worse it makes no sense, the dvla guidance focuses on people who are at risk of suicide at the wheel and not driving to a spot, and even then 3 months after they should look to give it back. Hopefully you get sorted.

 

[Kayla]

I would say the main ones are people calling for help/being rescued, and not following THE MOST BASIC things in the protocols, like 8 hours fasting and dosing the SN correctly.

Protocol doesn't really mean shit. I didn't do any of that and still died. Doesn't matter if I took 7g I still died. I didn't fast; I still technically died. Didn't take AE or Benzos, still died. You need to stop thinking that the protocol must be followed perfectly, step by step, for it to work. It doesn't, and lots of people have passed and not followed the protocol. The protocol actually doesn't matter, but none of you seem to realise that. The protocol is mostly for comfort.

 

[dalemar]

Protocol doesn't really mean shit. I didn't do any of that and still died. Doesn't matter if I took 7g I still died. I didn't fast; I still technically died. Didn't take AE or Benzos, still died. You need to stop thinking that the protocol must be followed perfectly, step by step, for it to work. It doesn't, and lots of people have passed and not followed the protocol. The protocol actually doesn't matter, but none of you seem to realise that. The protocol is mostly for comfort.

Read my message again, i said THE MOST BASIC stuff, which you didnt follow. Fasting and a good amount of sn. With those and without being rescued (very important), you would have catched the bus.

 

[Hollowillow]

To the person thinking people unable to follow complex protocol while in dustress are just seeking attention:

I have brain damage from being hit by a car. I stupidly contaminated my appartment with extreme poison trying to clean naturally. I'm in agony. Dizzy. I wish I could nope out impulsively drinking sn. I don't understand the protocol or how to get the drugs. Even hanging requires biology photos to find the veins. I just want to die quick not be a rocket ingeneer... I'm so scared to fail after reading the consequences. I wish i could sufficate in a bag but it requires a complex gas and method. I wish i could just take a bath with a toaster. If only i had an off switch! I tried to fixy mistake but specialists don't know how to fix acid fumes, bicarbonate failed and choked me more. Varnish and paint and my skin is melting. No one knows what to do so they claim it's impossible. I ruined my life! My home! Mylast chance to not be homeless with a cheap housing. I DESERVE TO DIE! Attention from people who don't know what to do and want to help me by controlling me... hurts!

To the person who didn't follow protocol, died and was revived:
I feel for you... Even when we succeed to die we get forced back to life... Maybe this is hell.

 

[Kayla]

Read my message again, i said THE MOST BASIC stuff, which you didnt follow. Fasting and a good amount of sn (and don't get rescued). With those and without being rescued, you would have catched the bus.

Yeah because I didn't plan it for that day. crazy how I didn't even plan to take it that day and still died.

Read my message again, i said THE MOST BASIC stuff, which you didnt follow. Fasting and a good amount of sn. With those and without being rescued (very important), you would have catched the bus.

Clearly, you don't actually know anything about SN apart from what it says on a protocol

 

[dalemar]

Yeah because I didn't plan it for that day. crazy how I didn't even plan to take it that day and still died.

Yes, but now you know. If you decide to ctb, just with basic guidelines, you will catch it.
That's why i was saying the most common causes for failure seem to be not following those 3 basic guidelines, and not the lack of ae, ppi or benzos.

 

[Kayla]

Yes, but now you know. If you decide to ctb, just with basic guidelines, you will catch it.
That's why i was saying the most common causes for failure seem to be not following those 3 basic guidelines, and not the lack of ae, ppi or benzos.

those three basic guidelines don't actually matter. i knew about them didn't follow them and yet wow i still died

 

[Dante_]

Yes, but now you know. If you decide to ctb, just with basic guidelines, you will catch it.
That's why i was saying the most common causes for failure seem to be not following those 3 basic guidelines, and not the lack of ae, ppi or benzos.

Please lets not use the ops thread to criticize them as to what they didnt do right and what to do next time to "make sure" because thats just unfair and uncalled for to what they went through months ago which is trauma they have to live through every day, I thought i already made that clear in my comment.

People still do everything "right" including whats in the guidelines and still survive because there are factors that exist outside of one's control that are difficult to fully mitigate, as such, and this goes for any comments I see in future, will not tolerate any undue criticism towards what someone didnt do "right", i think they're already aware enough and dont need to be reminded, on top of what they have to live through surviving something traumatic.

 

[Amarajoy]

great points, all true

i've seen so many failed attempts with SN on here and usually it was either not real SN, majorly expired SN, or lack of AE, and the lack of AE seemed to be the main one, but i don't know

I've not seen one failed attempt that could be attributable to lack of AE. Usually there is some other reason. Can you direct me to any? I probably will not be able to use AE and I don't recall reading until recently people saying AE is a must.

 

[fadedghost]

I've not seen one failed attempt that could be attributable to lack of AE. Usually there is some other reason. Can you direct me to any? I probably will not be able to use AE and I don't recall reading until recently people saying AE is a must.

I don't want to make it more likely someone succeeds. It's a personal choice whether to use AE.

 

[divinemistress36]

Do you plan on trying to ctb with SN again?

 

[antiqueantipodean]

Wow can't believe how serious it was, I took 7g of SN, had a headache and feel asleep then woke up hours later threw up a tiny bit and was completely fine. It shows how different it can really be

 

[fadedghost]

To the person thinking people unable to follow complex protocol while in dustress are just seeking attention:

I have brain damage from being hit by a car. I stupidly contaminated my appartment with extreme poison trying to clean naturally. I'm in agony. Dizzy. I wish I could nope out impulsively drinking sn. I don't understand the protocol or how to get the drugs. Even hanging requires biology photos to find the veins. I just want to die quick not be a rocket ingeneer... I'm so scared to fail after reading the consequences. I wish i could sufficate in a bag but it requires a complex gas and method. I wish i could just take a bath with a toaster. If only i had an off switch! I tried to fixy mistake but specialists don't know how to fix acid fumes, bicarbonate failed and choked me more. Varnish and paint and my skin is melting. No one knows what to do so they claim it's impossible. I ruined my life! My home! Mylast chance to not be homeless with a cheap housing. I DESERVE TO DIE! Attention from people who don't know what to do and want to help me by controlling me... hurts!

To the person who didn't follow protocol, died and was revived:
I feel for you... Even when we succeed to die we get forced back to life... Maybe this is hell.

sorry, you're right, everyone has circumstances that are different. you're in a really difficult predicament and i'm so sorry.

okay, i take back what i said before and was wrong. i'd delete the post if i could

 

[dalemar]

Wow can't believe how serious it was, I took 7g of SN, had a headache and feel asleep then woke up hours later threw up a tiny bit and was completely fine. It shows how different it can really be

Were you fasted?

 

[Kayla]

Do you plan on trying to ctb with SN again?

Yes, I do, I have an unopened 500g bottle of sn that I'll use at some point.

Wow can't believe how serious it was, I took 7g of SN, had a headache and feel asleep then woke up hours later threw up a tiny bit and was completely fine. It shows how different it can really be

It really does.

 

[antiqueantipodean]

Were you fasted?

Had some food. But seriously basically having light dehydration symptoms compared to practically dying is a huge line in the spectrum from the same dose is astonishing. Doesn't seem like having a bit of food is a big difference it really is the human body. Same as no single person ever had the same reaction or a drug or medicine.

 

[dalemar]

Had some food. But seriously basically having light dehydration symptoms compared to practically dying is a huge line in the spectrum from the same dose is astonishing. Doesn't seem like having a bit of food is a big difference it really is the human body. Same as no single person ever had the same reaction or a drug or medicine.

Sure, I agree.
Those are minor factors, that cant explain such a big difference with the same dosage.
Another thing that might be a minor factor, is body weight, unless you are a big person and Kayla is very light weight, it has to be what you say, which applies to drugs, medicines, etc.

 

[unluckysadness]

Why did you take only 7g ? (I'm not judging). And did your family call for an ambulance ?

 

[Kayla]

Why did you take only 7g ? (I'm not judging). And did your family call for an ambulance ?

Because the police were right outside the door so I couldn't grab my scales. All I was able to grab was the sn, scoop, and a drink before I locked myself in the bathroom. My family wasn't in my life at the time. It was a support worker I had for many years who called the police.

 

[unluckysadness]

Because the police were right outside the door so I couldn't grab my scales. All I was able to grab was the sn, scoop, and a drink before I locked myself in the bathroom. My family wasn't in my life at the time. It was a support worker I had for many years who called the police.

Thanks for the information. What bothers me with this method (which is mine too) is that you cannot do it impulsively.
I wish you peace

 

[Kayla]

Thanks for the information. What bothers me with this method (which is mine too) is that you cannot do it impulsively.
I wish you peace

My sn attempt was impulsive, and it still worked