Its all a fucking myth!

[SinisterKid]

I like to think I am open minded and unbiased when approaching a subject I am not very au fait with.

Having just read the introduction and chapter 1 of Bad Science, its obvious to me that so much of what we believe to be true is actually built on lies. And by lies I mean LIES!! Its not simply someone not telling the truth because we would not understand it in any other terms, its blatantly misleading people into believing something is fact when it is total fiction. Detox being the first prime example. It is morally corrupt to allow a product to be sold to unsuspecting people who are informed of its so called "health benefits" for profits, when said benefits are non-existent.

I suspect I am going to discover a great many more products, like the Detox programs, that prey on the human need for a "miracle" cure for all ills, many of which are self inflicted. I know and accept there are two sides to every coin, but I have believed every treatment I have received for my physical and mental health have been given to benefit me. I am now finding that I have been blinded by my own "faith" in a system that is built on deception.

 

[not_a_robot]

I like to think I am open minded and unbiased when approaching a subject I am not very au fait with.

Having just read the introduction and chapter 1 of Bad Science, its obvious to me that so much of what we believe to be true is actually built on lies. And by lies I mean LIES!! Its not simply someone not telling the truth because we would not understand it in any other terms, its blatantly misleading people into believing something is fact when it is total fiction. Detox being the first prime example. It is morally corrupt to allow a product to be sold to unsuspecting people who are informed of its so called "health benefits" for profits, when said benefits are non-existent.

I suspect I am going to discover a great many more products, like the Detox programs, that prey on the human need for a "miracle" cure for all ills, many of which are self inflicted. I know and accept there are two sides to every coin, but I have believed every treatment I have received for my physical and mental health have been given to benefit me. I am now finding that I have been blinded by my own "faith" in a system that is built on deception.

Welcome to The Abyss, and good luck my friend. Welcome to a life free of the comforting illusions that seemed to hold the fabric of life together.

And smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast!

 

[marcusuk63]

Psychiatrists: the drug pushers

Is the current epidemic of depression and hyperactivity the result of disease-mongering by the psychiatric profession and big pharma, asks Will Self. Does psychiatry have any credibility left at all?

www.theguardian.com

 

[Nem]

Meds ruined my life and that's why I'm here, should take a dr with me on my way out the fucking goofs, they suck a bag of dicks

 

[alizee]

I like that you keep referring to "faith" in the medical system, since there is no more scientific truth in the mental health field than in religion.

Psychiatry & therapy are both modern day forms of religion. One could say it's an evolution of religion.

Basically we have faith healers taking advantage of people. The persons labeled mentally ill by society (not conforming with the majority view) want to believe whatever is being sold by the faith healers and without real evidence. The outcome sought may or may not happen and while the faith healers use drugs with dangerous consequences in many cases of just having faith in they're doing the right thing.

There isn't even knowledge in many cases about the longterm effects of medication. FDA approval can be compliant after a few years and of a sample size that isn't even numerous with many life factors that aren't measurable between person to person. I've read research today that a category of antidepressants may be responsible for dementia.

It's all a bunch of faith nonsense that's the evil of the world. People need to remove faith from their life and from society. That's the road to progress of getting to what's needed actually being done.

 

[SinisterKid]

Something about seeing neuroscience information may
encourage people to believe they have received a scientific
explanation when they have not.'

Now we are getting somewhere. Its not about justification of my own statements or opinions, its about getting to the crux of the problem which is, why are we not being told the truth? That quote right there begins to show some of the reasoning, blind them with science. Another quote says something along the lines of, "breathing in and out rapidly oxidates the blood flow to the brain" and this is not picked out of the air, its taught to kids in schools. If it oxidates, it rusts. Did you know your kids blood is going rusty?

The more I dig, the worse it becomes. Just how much deception is going on out there? Its making a Matrix type existence more plausible by the minute.

 

[Never Free]

It's a lie of the higest order though. And doctors and psychiatrists do believe in since they brainwashed and funded by big pharma

psychiatrists know and some even essentially admit to dishonesty flat out. A "white lie" so people take the drugs, and apparently not feel shame. Though it's not moral, and shouldn't be allowed to happen at all.

 

[reapandsow918]

Best antidepressant for anxiety and depression is a vodka lemonade, shrooms/lsd

 

[Never Free]

The medical community 100% believes this. I've countless times debated with GP's, Psychiatrists, Psyc nurses and Psychologists. They all believe in the monoamine hypothesis yet whenever I ask them to present me with a scientific study that proves this they always come up short and just said they have read it in some psychiatry book somewhere.

Here in Denmark at least the professionals geniuenly believe that it's proven that depression is caused by low serotonin, but when you ask for proof it never comes.
Also apart from the fact that it's proven that AD's increase suicide risk in people under 25 years, it also now proven that they increase the suicide risk in Adults despite my Psychiatrist claiming that they are protective against suicide.

New study: antidepressants significantly raise the risk of suicide in the treatment of depression for adults -

Adults who start treatment with antidepressants for depression are 2.5 times more likely to attempt suicide when compared to placebo, according to new research published today in the journal Psychotherapy and Psychosomatics. The study found that approximately 1 in every 200 people who start...

cepuk.org

It was admittedly a failed hypothesis that later became a marketing scam. They often refer to it as a "white lie" and yes, "rough analogy" . It also increases suicide which big pharma halted the warning for, and psychiatrists were complicit. They still understate and downplay it.

 

[Jean4]

To clarify any misunderstanding.

I dont believe I was mis-diagnosed by anyone at any point. From GP, to psychologist, to psychiatrist, to health worker, to Operational Therapist, all have said pretty much the same thing. That my depression is caused by a chemical imbalance in my brain which makes it function differently to how it should if those chemicals were not imbalanced. Take the meds, it will correct said imbalance and you will feel better after the initial 6 week period is over. I accepted that these guys knew more than I did so I took the meds. Now, as Shamana pointed out to me a week or so ago, it turns out that all those people who told me I had a chemical imbalance going on, could not know, or prove, if that was correct or not. Yet all stated it to me as if it were fact over a 6 month period.

So why would that many different departments within the the NHS and that many different people, all insist on telling the same story when it is ambiguous as the very best case scenario and a downright lie at the very worst case scenario. The question still remains, why would so many people tell the same thing to so many patients when they cannot and do not know if it is based in any truth or not.

We have had a lot of cases in the UK to do with abused children that have come to light many years after the actual events. No one believed at the time of such abuse that anything was going on and the kids suffered, badly. I cant help but think, that somewhere down the line, the same kind of events are going to occur within the mental health spectrum.

I do have some recommended reading to search for, so that will be my focus for now.

Because those in the medical field who are taught mental illness is caused by chemical imbalance. Period.

There is another more progressive way of thinking. Yes. We look at chemical imbalances and medication is appropriate. Medication is appropriate for me..

However, others look at spiritual aspects, environmental, heck. Even food which may cause it.

For example. I was sent an individual who saw spirits and was diagnosed as schizophrenic, and was put on meds. I was sent the individual. I disagreed with the schizophrenia diagnosis. This person practiced a religion where the believe and see spirits. I said this person did not have schizophrenia, and this was part of the religion.

The person was taken off the meds, I recommended Bach Flower Remedies, and all was well.

We're you lied to? No. I just think you found doctors who had one way of thinking, and did not think of non traditional aspects which may be contributing to your depression.

 

[Never Free]

Because those in the medical field who are taught mental illness is caused by chemical imbalance. Period.

There is another more progressive way of thinking. Yes. We look at chemical imbalances and medication is appropriate. Medication is appropriate for me..

However, others look at spiritual aspects, environmental, heck. Even food which may cause it.

For example. I was sent an individual who saw spirits and was diagnosed as schizophrenic, and was put on meds. I was sent the individual. I disagreed with the schizophrenia diagnosis. This person practiced a religion where the believe and see spirits. I said this person did not have schizophrenia, and this was part of the religion.

The person was taken off the meds, I recommended Bach Flower Remedies, and all was well.

We're you lied to? No. I just think you found doctors who had one way of thinking, and did not think of non traditional aspects which may be contributing to your depression.

The problem is "chemical imbalance" has been extensively disproved. The organic over abundance of dopamine has been disproved, and the drugs have been proven to cause excess dopamine from the brain adapting to the drugs. See "super dopamine sensitivity from neuroleptics " People become tolerant, and more susceptible to psychosis. It's been proven those without treatment fair better on average than those immediately drugged. Continuous drugging has been shown to create chronic psychosis.

 

[Jean4]

The problem is "chemical imbalance" has been extensively disproved. The organic over abundance of dopamine has been disproved, and the drugs have been proven to cause excess dopamine from the brain adapting to the drugs. See "super dopamine sensitivity from neuroleptics " People become tolerant, and more susceptible to psychosis. It's been proven those without treatment fair better on average than those immediately drugged. Continuous drugging has been shown to create chronic psychosis.

I have to disagree. My research for the NYS DOH proved otherwise. That being said, knowing myself and my own issues, I suffer from a chemical imbalance. I also prescribed myself the medicine that I know works for me.

 

[Never Free]

I have to disagree. My research for the NYS DOH proved otherwise. That being said, knowing myself and my own issues, I suffer from a chemical imbalance. I also prescribed myself the medicine that I know works for me.

Not sure what research. The APA and similar equivalents around the world admit there's no biological proof of chemical imbalances. It can dull or even mitigate the symptoms but it's not proof of a chemical imbalance. That would require people to have some kind of consistent biological abnormality prior to taking drugs. If you look up super dopamine sensitivity you will see that tests show the drug causes the imbalance. It's not to say the symptoms aren't distressing, or there's no physical abnormality. It's just saying psychiatry's claims on serotonin and dopamine for example are proven false. Schizophrenia too much dopamine depression too little serotonin ect. The dopamine hypothesis was wrong.

 

[Jean4]

Not sure what research. The APA and similar equivalents around the world admit there's no biological proof of chemical imbalances. It can dull or even mitigate the symptoms but it's not proof of a chemical imbalance. That would require people to have some kind of consistent biological abnormality prior to taking drugs. If you look up super dopamine sensitivity you will see that tests show the drug causes the imbalance. It's not to say the symptoms aren't distressing, or there's no physical abnormality. It's just saying psychiatry's claims on serotonin and dopamine for example are proven false. Schizophrenia too much dopamine depression too little serotonin ect. The dopamine hypothesis was wrong.

I can only go with my research. I was a 9/11 First Responder. We were all monitored. Many studies were done.

One can find a study, by the way, to find the answer you want. I can find a study saying that non organic food is the culprit.

I only use studies I was personally involved with. Whether it a Clinical Trial or flat outright study. Personally, or my own research which is readily available to the public through the 9/11 Fund.

I can say personally, due to environmental factors from 9/11, my brain composition has changed. Facts are facts. I have a chemical imbalance causing many of my issues. Many veterans have the same problems, breathing in lord knows what at war time. There are many studies the public is not aware of.

I trust my own work.

And it is inappropriate to say the study was wrong. You do realize there are many different studies in different countries.

What countries study by the way are you discussing? You certainly aren't quoting the one from Sloan Kettering and the Mayo Clinic.

 

[Starrywaters]

I don't disagree with you - let me start off by saying that.

However, medically speaking there is so very much we still don't fully understand about the human body; medical science is really only so far. We believe that serotonin (or lack there of) is mostly responsible for causing depression in people. Because anti depressants add chemicals to your brain and for some people they do work it is easy to say okay.. well that person must not have had enough of those chemicals so they were unbalanced. The evidence for this is actually very weak but it's a significant part of our understanding of depression.

Environmental, genetic and other life factors are likely to contribute but ultimately science doesn't seem to know why some people get clinical depression and some do not. Hopefully medical research will continue to understand and develop useful medications or therapies for people who wish to seek help for it.

I personally take an SSRI and it does help me, I have been very lucky as I know many people have issues with medication but I also am not fully aware of WHY I need this medication. I just know I do.

 

[Jean4]

I don't disagree with you - let me start off by saying that.

However, medically speaking there is so very much we still don't fully understand about the human body; medical science is really only so far. We believe that serotonin (or lack there of) is mostly responsible for causing depression in people. Because anti depressants add chemicals to your brain and for some people they do work it is easy to say okay.. well that person must not have had enough of those chemicals so they were unbalanced. The evidence for this is actually very weak but it's a significant part of our understanding of depression.

Environmental, genetic and other life factors are likely to contribute but ultimately science doesn't seem to know why some people get clinical depression and some do not. Hopefully medical research will continue to understand and develop useful medications or therapies for people who wish to seek help for it.

I personally take an SSRI and it does help me, I have been very lucky as I know many people have issues with medication but I also am not fully aware of WHY I need this medication. I just know I do.

Correct. Which is why I don't practice standard, western medicine. I take other things into consideration.

Treatment isn't one size fits all. You must look at every person individually. Aspirin isn't the cure all for every single headache.

 

[Never Free]

I can only go with my research. I was a 9/11 First Responder. We were all monitored. Many studies were done.

One can find a study, by the way, to find the answer you want. I can find a study saying that non organic food is the culprit.

I only use studies I was personally involved with. Whether it a Clinical Trial or flat outright study. Personally, or my own research which is readily available to the public through the 9/11 Fund.

I trust my own work.

And it is inappropriate to say the study was wrong. You do realize there are many different studies in different countries.

What countries study by the way are you discussing? You certainly aren't quoting the one from Sloan Kettering and the Mayo Clinic.

There's been studies that show the dopamine ones are a failed hypothesis and the brain adapts to neuroleptics by creating more dopamine. I'll look at it but just know the dopamine one has been disproven and other ones fell short. No official chemical imbalance has been confirmed.

 

[Jean4]

There's been studies that show the dopamine ones are a failed hypothesis and the brain adapts to neuroleptics by creating more dopamine. I'll look at it but just know the dopamine one has been disproven and other ones fell short. No official chemical imbalance has been confirmed.

Incorrect. However, I am not getting into an argument regarding things a commoner is not aware of. Just like the 5G studies ;).

Believe what you want. I only go by personal experience, and my own personal work. By the way. You haven't quoted my work. ;)

 

[Never Free]

Correct. Which is why I don't practice standard, western medicine. I take other things into consideration.

Treatment isn't one size fits all. You must look at every person individually. Aspirin isn't the cure all for every single headache.

Would be interested in hearing more. Also are you referring to excess dopamine? Why in your opinion isn't there routine tests to measure chemicals in those diagnosed with MI?

Incorrect. However, I am not getting into an argument regarding things a commoner is not aware of. Just like the 5G studies ;).

Believe what you want. I only go by personal experience, and my own personal work. By the way. You haven't quoted my work. ;)

No this is most certainly correct. That is why the APA acknowledges no biological cause and instead goes off people's observed behaviors and self reported experiences thoughts/ feelings, behaviors ect

Incorrect. However, I am not getting into an argument regarding things a commoner is not aware of. Just like the 5G studies ;).

Believe what you want. I only go by personal experience, and my own personal work. By the way. You haven't quoted my work. ;)

personal experience? What lab tests? That's the crux of it. The symptoms don't prove a chemical imbalance. You've not posted any, and have been vague.

 

[Jean4]

Would be interested in hearing more. Also are you referring to excess dopamine? Why in your opinion isn't there routine tests to measure chemicals in those diagnosed with MI?

I don't know the name of these studies you are quoting, from which country and from which scientists.

Again. You are quoting any of my studies (I gave you three sources.). It is inappropriate to discuss nameless studies.

Also again. I choose to site my own work. You also can choose to believe what you want. I have stood in front of Congress with my findings which helped 9/11 First Responders Obtain benefits.

 

[Never Free]

I can only go with my research. I was a 9/11 First Responder. We were all monitored. Many studies were done.

One can find a study, by the way, to find the answer you want. I can find a study saying that non organic food is the culprit.

I only use studies I was personally involved with. Whether it a Clinical Trial or flat outright study. Personally, or my own research which is readily available to the public through the 9/11 Fund.

I can say personally, due to environmental factors from 9/11, my brain composition has changed. Facts are facts. I have a chemical imbalance causing many of my issues. Many veterans have the same problems, breathing in lord knows what at war time. There are many studies the public is not aware of.

I trust my own work.

And it is inappropriate to say the study was wrong. You do realize there are many different studies in different countries.

What countries study by the way are you discussing? You certainly aren't quoting the one from Sloan Kettering and the Mayo Clinic.

That sounds like a noble job but not one to qualify you to know the mechanism of MI esp when officially it's said to be unknown. There's been many fialed attempts to find one. I don't know what studies you're referring to, but that doesn't line up IMO. You'd need lab tests something I can't very well see in that kind of emergency. Not saying it's impossible. There's been studies dedicated to this that have come up empty.

I don't know the name of these studies you are quoting, from which country and from which scientists.

Again. You are quoting any of my studies (I gave you three sources.). It is inappropriate to discuss nameless studies.

Also again. I choose to site my own work. You also can choose to believe what you want. I have stood in front of Congress with my findings which helped 9/11 First Responders Obtain benefits.

There's been a lot." Dopamine myth in Schizophrenia" and "Neuroleptic induced Dopamine Super sensitivity" just plug into Google scholar.

 

[Jean4]

That sounds like a noble job but not one to qualify you to know the mechanism of MI esp when officially it's said to be unknown. There's been many fialed attempts to find one. I don't know what studies you're referring to, but that doesn't line up IMO. You'd need lab tests something I can't very well see in that kind of emergency. Not saying it's impossible. There's been studies dedicated to this that have come up empty.

There's been a lot." Dopamine myth in Schizophrenia" and "Neuroleptic induced Dopamine Super sensitivity" just plug into Google scholar.

As I said. I am not one to get my information from Google. I use my own personal research. Much which is not available to the common person such as yourself being a governmental employee.

You also aren't American, and are quoting only things that a common person can Google.

Feel free to believe anything that you want. Won't change the facts that I know, and have personally experienced.

As I said. I value personal experiences over reading a piece of paper.

 

[Never Free]

As I said. I am not one to get my information from Google. I use my own personal research. Much which is not available to the common person such as yourself being a governmental employee.

You also aren't American, and are quoting only things that a common person can Google.

Feel free to believe anything that you want. Won't change the facts that I know, and have personally experienced.

As I said. I value personal experiences over reading a piece of paper.

It's Google Scholar so these are legit academic studies, and no offence, but you've not said anything to make yourself sound completely credible. I've looked into this. Your own experiences can't tell the supposed mechanisms of psychosis the way that extensive studies can. We all have experiences but that doesn't make up automatically know the biological cause if one exists.

It's Google Scholar so these are legit academic studies, and no offence, but you've not said anything to make yourself sound completely credible. I've looked into this. Your own experiences can't tell the supposed mechanisms of psychosis the way that extensive studies can. We all have experiences but that doesn't make up automatically know the biological cause if one exists.

I've also read Anatomy Of an Epidemic and continuously check Google Scholar. Again this is a legit source. It's available to anyone but not on the same level as any Google search

As I said. I am not one to get my information from Google. I use my own personal research. Much which is not available to the common person such as yourself being a governmental employee.

You also aren't American, and are quoting only things that a common person can Google.

Feel free to believe anything that you want. Won't change the facts that I know, and have personally experienced.

As I said. I value personal experiences over reading a piece of paper.

BTW I'm American. Not sure why you'd say I wasn't

 

[Starrywaters]

Correct. Which is why I don't practice standard, western medicine. I take other things into consideration.

Treatment isn't one size fits all. You must look at every person individually. Aspirin isn't the cure all for every single headache.

The brain is a complex organ and we know probably less than we don't know if that makes sense.

 

[Never Free]

The brain is a complex organ and we know probably less than we don't know if that makes sense.

That makes complete sense. Although part of the problem at least is psychiatry has made deals with big pharma. They've gone down the same paths over and over again. Perhaps if they were earnestly looking they'd've made more progress. That being said stuff like the gut seems to be showing progress in what's Dx as MI. If you have a problem evidently stemming from the brain it would be classified as neurological. Essentially labeling it psychiatric they're saying the cause is unknown. It would make sense that they're finding it in unexpected places since the field is very much in the dark

 

[SinisterKid]

Well, I did not expect to log on today and find this thread loitering in the What's New section.

This was posted back in June of 2019. I had just arrived on this forum and was in a very bad place in every sense of the term. I wanted a way out that would not fail me.

Lets fast forward to the here and now. Merry Christmas to everyone of all faiths, religions, creeds, colours, gender, just everyone ok.

My medication has not changed at all in the last 3 years. I take 200mg of sertraline, 50mg of mirtazapine and 80mg of propranalol daily. The headspace I am in right now is much different to when I arrived here. I sense a future with me in it, that was not true when I arrived here. I am not down that deep dark pit we all appear to know so well, although my mind has tried on numerous occasions to take me back there. I still get bombarded by suicidal ideation although I know I dont have to act on them, they still exist on the same level as when I landed here. My depression appears to be changing. I am finding huge peaks and troughs with very little inbetween. Mood swings are more frequent and the suddenness of the changes can be disconcerting. Alcohol is the one legal thing I have found that improves my mood.

Compared to when I came here, I am now Einstein on matters of mental health. I know so much more than I did. I can still learn more though. I am fairly confident that medication is not working for me. If I dont take them, I dont feel any better or any worse than if I do take them. That suggests to me that the placebo effect could well be at play. I dont get withdrawal or any symptoms that are uncomfortable to deal with. I find no change across the mental and physical spectrum. It is possible that due to the nature of changes in how my mood is working means that medication is no longer effective in treating it. In 2020, a trip to see my GP and talk him will be my first port of call.

I have read thread after thread here. I have read many reports online into many different areas of mental health. I have read books that still do not explain in any depth why I am feeling the way I do. Nothing has cast my original doubts about my own personal situation into a new position. Reading the stories and experiences of others has been great therapy. I have taken and tried to process most of what I have read here and elsewhere. My conclusion is unchanged. We are being lied to on a scale that is so huge its immoral. Nothing I have read or seen has changed that perspective and I have wanted it to, badly. I am not prone to conspiracy, I am human with all the frailties and insecurities that come with it. I do not think I am always right, the opposite is true. But still I cannot find a plausible explanation as to why or if a chemical imbalance exists in my brain that is responsible for driving my emotional state. Even exercise which is supposed to release endorphins that make us feel better or improve mood does not change anything.

Micro dosing is also on the agenda for next year. I need to learn a lot more about it, but initial forays into that world are promising. So good people, onwards and upwards towards 2020 and all it will bring. I hope it begins in a much better way for us all than 2019 finished.

 

[Shamana]

As I said. I am not one to get my information from Google. I use my own personal research. Much which is not available to the common person such as yourself being a governmental employee.

You also aren't American, and are quoting only things that a common person can Google.

Feel free to believe anything that you want. Won't change the facts that I know, and have personally experienced.

As I said. I value personal experiences over reading a piece of paper.

Have you watched this?

 

[Jean4]

Have you watched this?

Did I watch it? No. Have I lectured at conferences in disagreement? Yes. I know him well. We are both George Polk award winners. He was nominated for a Pulitzer for the Boston Globe. I won it for my work for the New York Times. We have always had a friendly competition.

He takes a more narrow view on things than I do.

 

[Shamana]

Did I watch it? No. Have I lectured at conferences in disagreement? Yes. I know him well. We are both George Polk award winners. He was nominated for a Pulitzer for the Boston Globe. I won it for my work for the New York Times. We have always had a friendly competition.

Can I see your lectures? How can you disagree with him if you havn't seen his lectures or his work, or have you?

 

[Jean4]

Can I see your lectures? How can you disagree with him if you havn't seen his lectures or his work, or have you?

Sorry. That would be giving away who I am. I don't want people to know who I am to respect that privacy. I have to put on a particular for the outside world to see. I like my anonymity here. And thankfully, the mods and forum members here who know who I am protect that.

I have not seen the video you posted. We have lectured at the same events.