It seems that renal/kidney damage is more likely than brain damage if failing with SN

[littlelady774]

A lot of people have been wondering lately if there can be any organ damage if you fail SN. And rightfully so,- anything that inhibits oxygen delivery to the tissues can definitely cause some damage.

There are a few organs that are most dependent on oxygen : the heart, brain and liver. You would think these organs would be affected the most from methemoglobinemia. But this seems to not be the case!
I was reading this article about anemic hypoxia and what organs it affects the most. It says the kidneys because blood supply isn't increased there like the brain and heart. Unlike the exit bag or hanging, vasodilation is a compensatory mechanism involved in hypoxic blood disorders such as anemia and methemoglobinemia. It makes sure the brain and heart are still getting enough oxygen. This vasodilation does not occur for the kidneys though.

Note this is only for sub acute hypoxia.
Once the methemoglobinemia has progressed to severe, cells start dying via apoptosis. But you're pretty much already on death's door by this point anyway. Levels around 50-70%. Just make sure you don't get "rescued" at this point !

Article I was reading: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5966813/#!po=40.4930

TLDR;
You're more likely to get kidney/renal injury from a failed SN attempt than a brain injury. It's a slow process because of the body's compensatory mechanism of vasodilation.

 

[HadItAll]

Brutal. My kidneys are already in shit shape. If I go with this method I may not fail at any cost.

 

[Raven2]

Thank you for the info

 

[jessisme]

I am so terrified of failure with SN. I initially thought that it would be my saving grace in life and the answer to all of my problems. Now I'm just afraid that if I take it it's more likely that I will end up in a pool of my own vomit and feces in excruciating pain, possibly blind and with kidney failure. I would have to be out in the woods for this method as I live with my mother and cannot get to a hotel. Laying on the cold forest floor in this condition and/or trying to somehow walk the mile home covered in feces and vomit and struggling physically does not work for me at all.
My hope and my faith in this method has disappeared almost completely and I don't know what to do.

 

[Yavannah]

I am so terrified of failure with SN. I initially thought that it would be my saving grace in life and the answer to all of my problems. Now I'm just afraid that if I take it it's more likely that I will end up in a pool of my own vomit and feces in excruciating pain, possibly blind and with kidney failure. I would have to be out in the woods for this method as I live with my mother and cannot get to a hotel. Laying on the cold forest floor in this condition and/or trying to somehow walk the mile home covered in feces and vomit and struggling physically does not work for me at all.
My hope and my faith in this method has disappeared almost completely and I don't know what to do.

im battling with the exact same fears
its soul crushing
im psychologically ready to attempt but the fear of being worse off is holding me back
im feeling like a caged bird
also i've had very bad luck all my life to the point other people joking of me being cursed
a botched attempt would fit so well into my ,,life plan''
but maybe im just paranoid because i dont think of anyone else failing?
i wish i could say something to comfort you but i cant even comfort myself..
i hope someone else can help you be more confident in the method
wishing you peace<3

 

[stilhavinightmares]

im battling with the exact same fears
its soul crushing
im psychologically ready to attempt but the fear of being worse off is holding me back
im feeling like a caged bird
also i've had very bad luck all my life to the point other people joking of me being cursed
a botched attempt would fit so well into my ,,life plan''
but maybe im just paranoid because i dont think of anyone else failing?
i wish i could say something to comfort you but i cant even comfort myself..
i hope someone else can help you be more confident in the method
wishing you peace<3

I am so terrified of failure with SN. I initially thought that it would be my saving grace in life and the answer to all of my problems. Now I'm just afraid that if I take it it's more likely that I will end up in a pool of my own vomit and feces in excruciating pain, possibly blind and with kidney failure. I would have to be out in the woods for this method as I live with my mother and cannot get to a hotel. Laying on the cold forest floor in this condition and/or trying to somehow walk the mile home covered in feces and vomit and struggling physically does not work for me at all.
My hope and my faith in this method has disappeared almost completely and I don't know what to do.

Hi friends. I'm feeling similarly with this method and feeling trapped. Just extending solidarity and hugs to you if you're into that kinda thing. SN will still be my method. I'm just scared of failing and making things worse. I do still think it's the most effective method we have though, gunshot to the head being the most effective.

 

[losing hope]

Thanks to OP for raising this & like others have expressed, I am scared senseless of failing with SN due to the potential damage to organs etc. Therefore I feel it is wise to think of ways to increase your chances of success with SN. One way I was thinking is giving some blood to a local charity on the day you intend to CTB.

Less blood means less red blood cells can carry oxygen to your organs which seems to help Hypoxia; https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK482316/ "Hypoxia is a state in which oxygen is not available in sufficient amounts at the tissue level to maintain adequate homeostasis; this can result from inadequate oxygen delivery to the tissues either due to low blood supply or low oxygen content in the blood (hypoxemia)."

I wonder if less blood also means you can consume less SN, thus further mitigating against your chances of vomitting?

Having read a few threads where OP didn't succeed with SN, the main one I can think of where there seemed to be some resulting injury (abeit seemly temporary) was this one; https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...ank-sn-impulsively.109485/page-4#post-1876978

I will have to look through some more threads to see if anyone has mentioned any other injuries resulting from SN in reality. But on the face of it, few post attempt injuries seem to be reported on here. Does that mean in reality the chances of injurying yourself of a failed SN attempt is low. Or is it that these people just aren't reporting their injuries on here, due to fear of bad mouthing SN on here?

 

[ThisIsLife]

Less blood means less red blood cells can carry oxygen to your organs which seems to help Hypoxia; https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK482316/ "Hypoxia is a state in which oxygen is not available in sufficient amounts at the tissue level to maintain adequate homeostasis; this can result from inadequate oxygen delivery to the tissues either due to low blood supply or low oxygen content in the blood (hypoxemia)."

I wonder if less blood also means you can consume less SN, thus further mitigating against your chances of vomitting?

Having read a few threads where OP didn't succeed with SN, the main one I can think of where there seemed to be some resulting injury (abeit seemly temporary) was this one; https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...ank-sn-impulsively.109485/page-4#post-1876978

I will have to look through some more threads to see if anyone has mentioned any other injuries resulting from SN in reality. But on the face of it, few post attempt injuries seem to be reported on here. Does that mean in reality the chances of injurying yourself of a failed SN attempt is low. Or is it that these people just aren't reporting their injuries on here, due to fear of bad mouthing SN on here?

The reasoning makes sense, but it would be very difficult to put in practice with fasting.
With less blood, the body tries to compensate by both hydrating and craving glucose, hence the need to eat sugar and drink water after donating blood.

I'm no expert but considering one can't donate blood many times in a row and has to wait 3 weeks between donations, it would be a headache to accomplish properly.

About the injuries, i've seen a few times mentionned blindness and tinnitus.

 

[Sparx]

Kinda makes sense in that it's a sodium salt and 25g could fry your kidneys. Although a lot of people who've failed have reported little to no kidney problems afterwards.

I too am feeling bit trapped by this method. As a test I dissolved 20g table salt in 50ml water, some of it wouldn't even dissolve and was still at the bottom of the glass.

Anyway I tasted it and it was so disgusting I nearly retched. I don't think I'm gonna be able to drink it when the time comes. Might have to look at capsules or Rizla bombs. How does anyone manage to get 2 or even 3 50ml glasses of something that salty down. God there really is no easy way out.

 

[sufferingextremely]

I am so terrified of failure with SN. I initially thought that it would be my saving grace in life and the answer to all of my problems. Now I'm just afraid that if I take it it's more likely that I will end up in a pool of my own vomit and feces in excruciating pain, possibly blind and with kidney failure. I would have to be out in the woods for this method as I live with my mother and cannot get to a hotel. Laying on the cold forest floor in this condition and/or trying to somehow walk the mile home covered in feces and vomit and struggling physically does not work for me at all.
My hope and my faith in this method has disappeared almost completely and I don't know what to do.

It makes me very mad that my country doesn't have legalized assisted dying. I've had fears about SN, and it was murder trying to follow the regimen back in 2021. I was extremely handicapped. I followed the entire regimen, but then when the day came, I didn't have the willpower to fast. I was dead set on dying that day, and I would have made it.

I had to prepare for another date, and on that one, I was very ill. I couldn't concentrate enough to prepare my drinks. For someone in my condition, this method is extremely dangerous. I could accidentally spill my bottle and SN goes down the drain, contaminating the water supply for some unknown number of people. People possibly dying. Then it is an oxidizer. I spill it on the floor and for all I know I will end up burning down the apartment complex. If I throw it in the dumpster, it's a possible explosion and/or me getting in trouble for improper disposal of hazardous chemicals.

I mean this is a load of shit. I should not have to go online shopping for pig poison and endanger all the people around me. I was extremely happy when I first learned of SN. If I weren't so handicapped it would be a much better option. After I found out the regimen and read some failure reports, it was not quite as great, but I was still down with it. Then I find out that there's essentially no way that I can do it without taking huge risks for myself and others. Why does this have to be so hard? Why is my government so stupid? What on earth do they think is so special about them that they own my life? If I want to die, I should be able to die. End of story.

 

[littlelady774]

Btw, this info isn't meant to scare anyone off from SN. If you take the proper dose and antiemetics, you will ctb. I'm just saying that it's more likely your kidneys will be affected than your brain should it fail. I think any method will have consequences if failed.

There was a user here who failed with Sn and couldn't pee for a bit. https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sodium-nitrite-brain-injury-article.108009/#post-1851227

 

[jessisme]

im battling with the exact same fears
its soul crushing
im psychologically ready to attempt but the fear of being worse off is holding me back
im feeling like a caged bird
also i've had very bad luck all my life to the point other people joking of me being cursed
a botched attempt would fit so well into my ,,life plan''
but maybe im just paranoid because i dont think of anyone else failing?
i wish i could say something to comfort you but i cant even comfort myself..
i hope someone else can help you be more confident in the method
wishing you peace<3

It's the worst! I have already had like five failed attempts and I finally thought I had found something that would cross me over successfully.
Now there has been so much testimony and information coming out that has rocked my faith in the method. It's so frustrating and deeply disappointing. What to do?

 

[CringeNihilism]

I can confirm this. Although what I tried is CTBing by blood loss. Dying from blood loss is likely the same as dying from SN because both work by lowering the number of functioning red blood cells in the blood. According to textbooks, when the brain can't get enough oxygenated hemoglobin or aka suffers from cerebral hypoxia,

if cerebral hypoxia continues more than 5 seconds, you lose consciousness
if cerebral hypoxia continues more than 3 minutes, irreversible brain damage occurs
if cerebral hypoxia continues more than 10 minutes, death is certain

I have tried to ctb by drawing 3 liters of my blood 5 months ago ( I made a thread about it https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/failed-exsanguination-attempt.109504/ ) and suffered from kidney injury last month, It was temporary though.
My urine color became completely red as there was blood coming from my kidney ( hematuria ) and I had moderate back pain. The doctor asked me to perform CT ( he was suspecting if there was a tumor ) so I did and what we found is that my kidneys were completely normal. After I gave the CT scan to my doctor he told me I had inflammation in my kidney and that was the source of the RBCs in urine. The doctor couldn't tell what caused the inflammation tho. I was having hematuria and back pain for a week and a half and everything went back to normal.

 

[LookAway]

A lot of people have been wondering lately if there can be any organ damage if you fail SN. And rightfully so,- anything that inhibits oxygen delivery to the tissues can definitely cause some damage.

There are a few organs that are most dependent on oxygen : the heart, brain and liver. You would think these organs would be affected the most from methemoglobinemia. But this seems to not be the case!
I was reading this article about anemic hypoxia and what organs it affects the most. It says the kidneys because blood supply isn't increased there like the brain and heart. Unlike the exit bag or hanging, vasodilation is a compensatory mechanism involved in hypoxic blood disorders such as anemia and methemoglobinemia. It makes sure the brain and heart are still getting enough oxygen. This vasodilation does not occur for the kidneys though.

Note this is only for sub acute hypoxia.
Once the methemoglobinemia has progressed to severe, cells start dying via apoptosis. But you're pretty much already on death's door by this point anyway. Levels around 50-70%. Just make sure you don't get "rescued" at this point !

Article I was reading: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5966813/#!po=40.4930

TLDR;
You're more likely to get kidney/renal injury from a failed SN attempt than a brain injury. It's a slow process because of the body's compensatory mechanism of vasodilation.

A lot of people have been wondering lately if there can be any organ damage if you fail SN. And rightfully so,- anything that inhibits oxygen delivery to the tissues can definitely cause some damage.

There are a few organs that are most dependent on oxygen : the heart, brain and liver. You would think these organs would be affected the most from methemoglobinemia. But this seems to not be the case!
I was reading this article about anemic hypoxia and what organs it affects the most. It says the kidneys because blood supply isn't increased there like the brain and heart. Unlike the exit bag or hanging, vasodilation is a compensatory mechanism involved in hypoxic blood disorders such as anemia and methemoglobinemia. It makes sure the brain and heart are still getting enough oxygen. This vasodilation does not occur for the kidneys though.

Note this is only for sub acute hypoxia.
Once the methemoglobinemia has progressed to severe, cells start dying via apoptosis. But you're pretty much already on death's door by this point anyway. Levels around 50-70%. Just make sure you don't get "rescued" at this point !

Article I was reading: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5966813/#!po=40.4930

TLDR;
You're more likely to get kidney/renal injury from a failed SN attempt than a brain injury. It's a slow process because of the body's compensatory mechanism of vasodilation.

Was this study on rats or on humans?

 

[aprilunderstandsnow]

this stuff so scary

 

[freelifexit]

There are no negative info about consequences from people who failed SN on this forum, except two cases who got problems with kidneys.

But there is info from this Russian article about SN poisoning consequences (first two paragraphs on page 6).

"In severe cases of intoxication due to degenerative changes in erythrocytes and a decrease in their resistance, hemolysis and secondary hemolytic anemia occur (on the 3-5th day after poisoning). In this case, hemoglobinuria, kidney damage (nephropathy with varying degrees of acute renal failure) and liver damage (toxic hepatopathy) can be observed. Severe acute vascular insufficiency (nitrite shock), coma, pulmonary edema may develop. The clinical picture of poisoning is highly variable. In some cases, changes in the respiratory organs come to the fore, in others - in the cardiovascular and central nervous systems, in others - in the blood system."

Also there are no comments about brain damage on this forum from people who failed SN.

But there are several articles which say that brain damage is possible.

From this article (Page 2, Discussion, 2nd paragraph): "Nitrite is also a potent vasodilator and can
cause coronary ischemia and stroke as a result of hypotension, tachycardia, and hypoxia."

Also article about survived case with brain damage: "Delayed post-hypoxic leukoencephalopathy (DPHL) is a demyelinating syndrome that occurs days to weeks after the brain has recovered from a coma. It is caused by the period of hypoxia and is characterized by mental disorders, extrapyramidal system symptoms, and motor changes. Common causes include cardiogenic shock, severe anemia, massive blood loss, and poisoning. There are only a few reports of DPHL due to nitrite poisoning in literature.

Most patients usually recover completely. However, DPHL can easily induce long-term neurological deficits. Within a few weeks, patients with mild symptoms gradually begin to recover some functions, such as speaking and walking. After 1–−2 years, most patients return to their baseline level, but following such poisoning, cognitive impairment including short-term memory deficits and fatigue may persist and hamper the patient's independence, reducing their quality of life."

 

[Tartuffe]

If I failed SN I'd find another way before any organ damage will have any effect.