Is it possible to do suicide pills with cyanide potassium?

[looking4ways.out]

Hello. So in my country I found a way to get cyanide potassium +97% in powder. If I get empty capsules for pills and put the powder inside do I end up with suicide pills? Is it that easy to obtain them?

 

[mortuarymary]

1 should do. But really research it. Research I've found was on possums

 

[Linda]

Easiest way would be to dissolve some in water and drink the solution. A fatal dose of potassium cyanide is about 300 milligrams, and you wouldn't need much water to dissolve that. Death comes within a very few minutes, so you won't be able to change your mind once you have swallowed some. If you do get some potassium cyanide, please take great care to label it prominently as dangerous, so you don't harm anyone who finds you after you have died. And don't leave any spillages: what you don't use, leave in the bottle.

 

[LifeIsCrazyNemb]

Easiest way would be to dissolve some in water and drink the solution. A fatal dose of potassium cyanide is about 300 milligrams, and you wouldn't need much water to dissolve that. Death comes within a very few minutes, so you won't be able to change your mind once you have swallowed some. If you do get some potassium cyanide, please take great care to label it prominently as dangerous, so you don't harm anyone who finds you after you have died. And don't leave any spillages: what you don't use, leave in the bottle.

Hello
Thanks for the info.
Do you know why this method is not mentionated in the PPH?

 

[eashanm]

Where are you based? If you want to tell

 

[DepressedChemMajor]

Do note that KCN is hygroscopic, meaning it absorbs water from the air around it. I'd recommend you keep it sealed for as long as you can.

 

[mortuarymary]

1 should do. But really research it. Research I've found was on possums

But……. cynanide as always been a preferred poison. I would possibly take it if I got turned down by Pegasus

 

[Linda]

Hello
Thanks for the info.
Do you know why this method is not mentionated in the PPH?

Perhaps because potassium cyanide is hard to obtain.

 

[Intoxicated]

It's mentioned in PPH 2007 and PPeH 2022.

 

[UKscotty]

Isn't this what spies use in suicide pills?

I doubt it's painless but probably guaranteed. Likely really agonising.

If its good enough for the CIA and the Nazis it probably workes reliably.

 

[Neverfeltdeader]

Hello. So in my country I found a way to get cyanide potassium +97% in powder. If I get empty capsules for pills and put the powder inside do I end up with suicide pills? Is it that easy to obtain them?
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So lucky!!!!

 

[looking4ways.out]

Where are you based? If you want to tell

Portugal. Actually i find it really weird that i'm able to buy it here, since everyone says it is really hard to find. I'm lucky I guess.

 

[eashanm]

Oh @rotciv - I know him he's from Portugal as well. Good for you that you've been able to find it

 

[mortuarymary]

Isn't this what spies use in suicide pills?

I doubt it's painless but probably guaranteed. Likely really agonising.

If its good enough for the CIA and the Nazis it probably workes reliably.

yes it is

 

[rotciv]

Portugal. Actually i find it really weird that i'm able to buy it here, since everyone says it is really hard to find. I'm lucky I guess.

Can't send u a msg yet. You can get SN easily here too.

 

[looking4ways.out]

Where are you based? If you want to tell

Portugal. Actually i find it really weird that i'm able to buy it here, since everyone says it is really hard to find it. I'm lucky I guess.

Where are you based? If you want to tell

Portugal. Actually i find it really weird that i'm able to buy it here, since everyone says it is really hard to find it. I'm lucky I guess.

Where are you based? If you want to tell

Portugal. Actually i find it really weird that i'm able to buy it here, since everyone says it is really hard to find it. I'm lucky I guess.

Easiest way would be to dissolve some in water and drink the solution. A fatal dose of potassium cyanide is about 300 milligrams, and you wouldn't need much water to dissolve that. Death comes within a very few minutes, so you won't be able to change your mind once you have swallowed some. If you do get some potassium cyanide, please take great care to label it prominently as dangerous, so you don't harm anyone who finds you after you have died. And don't leave any spillages: what you don't use, leave in the bottle.

Once I'm ingesting the mixture won't I have the urge to vomit?

Can't send u a msg yet. You can get SN easily here too.

I'm searching that method too since it's the one everyone talks about.

 

[Intoxicated]

Once I'm ingesting the mixture won't I have the urge to vomit?

Such complications are unlikely to occur if you abstain from eating food or drinking too much liquids during some period before and while/after ingesting KCN.

 

[rozeske]

Once I'm ingesting the mixture won't I have the urge to vomit?

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Such complications are unlikely to occur if you abstain from eating food or drinking too much liquids during some period before and while/after ingesting KCN.

Vomiting after ingestion of poison is not related to food or drink. It's your body's reaction to recognizing poison and pushing it out to save it self.

 

[Intoxicated]

Vomiting after ingestion of poison is not related to food or drink. It's your body's reaction to recognizing poison and pushing it out to save it self.

Food and drinks can slow down absorption of the poison, giving more time for the organism to develop such a reaction. Besides, it's barely possible to vomit if the amount of liquid in the stomach is low. Even if vomiting has started, the stomach can't throw everything out of it. There is always some minimum volume below which this mechanism is unable to work. So, one should dissolve KCN in 50 - 100 ml of water and avoid consuming additional amounts of liquids trying to cope with thirst or some discomfort associated with ingestion of the poison.

 

[rozeske]

Food and drinks can slow down absorption of the poison, giving more time for the organism to develop such a reaction. Besides, it's barely possible to vomit if the amount of liquid in the stomach is low. Even if vomiting has started, the stomach can't throw everything out of it. There is always some minimum volume below which this mechanism is unable to work. So, one should dissolve KCN in 50 - 100 ml of water and avoid consuming additional amounts of liquids trying to cope with thirst or some discomfort associated with ingestion of the poison.

Food and drinks will definitely reduce absorption of poison which is why it is advised to avoid them and fast to make your stomach as empty as possible. But that doesn't prevent your body from recognizing poison and vomiting it. That is why antiemetics are highly recommend to reduce vomiting reaction. Even with fasting for hours and taking antiemetics the body will not forget it's job of recognizing and rejecting poison. The amount of absorbed poison after all this is what determines if you die or not.

 

[Intoxicated]

But that doesn't prevent your body from recognizing poison and vomiting it.

Time matters. CO and H2S can cause nausea and vomiting too, upon long exposure to moderate concentrations. However, when any of these poisons acts rapidly, loss of consciousness and lethal intoxication typically come faster than the body recognizes the threat.

 

[Unknown21]

It's mentioned in PPH 2007 and PPeH 2022.

Do u think it's better than SN?

 

[AshClouds]

Just keep in mind that cyanide poisoning is extremely painful and you won't go out peacefully at all. Did you obtain it already? I was looking for a way to get KCN myself but to no avail. Apparently only institutions can obtain it.

 

[Intoxicated]

Do u think it's better than SN?

In terms of reliability, it seems to be way better. In terms of unpleasant perceptions, it's difficult to tell. I wouldn't trust rumors about "extreme pain", since they are just rumors as long as they are not supported by any more or less trustworthy sources. People like to spread myths.

This is what THE PEACEFUL PILL HANDBOOK (Revised Int Ed), July 2007 says about cyanides:

Can Cyanide provide a peaceful and reliable death?​

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Those watching the cinematographic depiction of Sampedro's death would have cause to believe that a death resulting from the ingestion of cyanide salts is peaceful. Unfortunately, not all reports of cyanide deaths support this view. Indeed, there is considerable variation in accounts. While reliability is not an issue, the question most raised relates to the method's 'peacefulness.' Just how peaceful is it to die with cyanide?​

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Most accounts of death from cyanide poisoning come from witnesses to gas chamber executions where the (unwilling) prisoner inhaled HCN. One study undertaken at San Quentin prison showed that, on average, consciousness was lost within one to three minutes, with death occurring after nine minutes. These deaths were often peaceful with the prisoner falling quickly asleep. On some occasions, however, a violent (and presumably painful) death was observed. This method of execution was largely abandoned in the US in 1994 when the American Civil Liberties Union took a successful action against the California Department of Corrections. In their action, the ACLU argued successfully that the gas chamber violated the US Constitution's ban against cruel and unusual punishment, because it inflicted needless pain and suffering.​

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Eyewitness accounts of seriously ill people drinking dissolved cyanide salt are also mixed. In his book Final Exit, Derek Humphrey describes deaths that are quick and painless. But he also documents one disturbing account that refers to a death that was 'miserable and violent, marked by frequent tetanic convulsions while awake' (Humphry, 1996: 30).​

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Toxicology texts of death by cyanide commonly refer to a rapid collapse and loss of consciousness if a large enough dose is absorbed. In his book Suicide and Attempted Suicide: Methods and Consequences, Geo Stone makes the observation that while cyanide might be commonly used by suicidal chemists, it is rarely by physicians. He concludes that this may be due to their different levels of access to poisons (Stone, 1999).​

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In terms of Peacefulness, the mixed accounts make this a difficult characteristic to assess. Clearly the size of the dose matters, if one is to minimise symptoms. Preparation is also important. The toxic effect is produced when stomach acid acts on the salt producing HCN which is then absorbed by the gut into the blood stream. This process is facilitated by dissolving the salt in cold water and drinking on an empty stomach where the gastric acid content is high.​

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An alternative is to place the cyanide salt into a treated gelatin capsule. Taking a 500mg capsule with an acidic drink (lemon juice, vinegar) creates the optimum conditions in the stomach. The delay can also usefully be employed to induce sleep with the addition of a strong soporific (sleeping tablet).​

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Taken in this manner the likelihood of a peaceful cyanide death is increased significantly. (P= 5)​

 

[jujuklam]

Hello
Thanks for the info.
Do you know why this method is not mentionated in the PPH?

Cyanide poisoning is incredibly painful, ergo not 'peaceful'

In terms of reliability, it seems to be way better. In terms of unpleasant perceptions, it's difficult to tell. I wouldn't trust rumors about "extreme pain", since they are just rumors as long as they are not supported by any more or less trustworthy sources. People like to spread myths.

This is what THE PEACEFUL PILL HANDBOOK (Revised Int Ed), July 2007 says about cyanides:

Can Cyanide provide a peaceful and reliable death?​

​

Those watching the cinematographic depiction of Sampedro's death would have cause to believe that a death resulting from the ingestion of cyanide salts is peaceful. Unfortunately, not all reports of cyanide deaths support this view. Indeed, there is considerable variation in accounts. While reliability is not an issue, the question most raised relates to the method's 'peacefulness.' Just how peaceful is it to die with cyanide?​

​

Most accounts of death from cyanide poisoning come from witnesses to gas chamber executions where the (unwilling) prisoner inhaled HCN. One study undertaken at San Quentin prison showed that, on average, consciousness was lost within one to three minutes, with death occurring after nine minutes. These deaths were often peaceful with the prisoner falling quickly asleep. On some occasions, however, a violent (and presumably painful) death was observed. This method of execution was largely abandoned in the US in 1994 when the American Civil Liberties Union took a successful action against the California Department of Corrections. In their action, the ACLU argued successfully that the gas chamber violated the US Constitution's ban against cruel and unusual punishment, because it inflicted needless pain and suffering.​

​

Eyewitness accounts of seriously ill people drinking dissolved cyanide salt are also mixed. In his book Final Exit, Derek Humphrey describes deaths that are quick and painless. But he also documents one disturbing account that refers to a death that was 'miserable and violent, marked by frequent tetanic convulsions while awake' (Humphry, 1996: 30).​

​

Toxicology texts of death by cyanide commonly refer to a rapid collapse and loss of consciousness if a large enough dose is absorbed. In his book Suicide and Attempted Suicide: Methods and Consequences, Geo Stone makes the observation that while cyanide might be commonly used by suicidal chemists, it is rarely by physicians. He concludes that this may be due to their different levels of access to poisons (Stone, 1999).​

​

In terms of Peacefulness, the mixed accounts make this a difficult characteristic to assess. Clearly the size of the dose matters, if one is to minimise symptoms. Preparation is also important. The toxic effect is produced when stomach acid acts on the salt producing HCN which is then absorbed by the gut into the blood stream. This process is facilitated by dissolving the salt in cold water and drinking on an empty stomach where the gastric acid content is high.​

​

An alternative is to place the cyanide salt into a treated gelatin capsule. Taking a 500mg capsule with an acidic drink (lemon juice, vinegar) creates the optimum conditions in the stomach. The delay can also usefully be employed to induce sleep with the addition of a strong soporific (sleeping tablet).​

​

Taken in this manner the likelihood of a peaceful cyanide death is increased significantly. (P= 5)​

Ahhh, good call out actually

 

[oneeyed]

Isn't KCN corrosive? I would think packing it in pills would be better than drinking but don't quote me on that.

 

[Intoxicated]

Isn't KCN corrosive?

It's a weak alkali and it can burn skin and throat like sodium carbonate. This effect can be mitigated by drinking an acidic solution like lemon/orange juice.