Discussion IS HELL REAL????

[MeowTheFlemishCat]

Is there a chance we will be punished and suffer even more in the afterlife for killing ourselves?

 

[Pathetic and Sad]

It's extremely unlikely. The chances that there is a god and in turn a hell is as unlikely as the chance that there is an invisible fairy living under you garden or the Santa Clause living in some unexplored cave in North Pole. All three are unfounded assumptions with exactly zero evidences backing them up.

 

[IBM0000]

To answer the title: Yes.
Your second question: No.

 

[DeathWish3301]

 

[IBM0000]

It's extremely unlikely. The chances that there is a god and in turn a hell is as unlikely as the chance that there is an invisible fairy living under you garden or the Santa Clause living in some unexplored cave in North Pole. All three are unfounded assumptions with exactly zero evidences backing them up.

Except that there is evidence: It's the [Enter religious book name here].

 

[Pathetic and Sad]

Except that there is evidence: It's the [Enter religious book name here].

Well, the probability of those books written as a joke, story or just by some con man or someone mentally ill is far more likely than it being written by through a revelation by some god. Because we can't see any inking of the said god today, but the things I said before are readily out there. My best guess? A very intelligent leader artificially induced these "revelations" to some gullible and illiterate masses (almost no one could read and write back then) to control the population and it just spread and spread...

 

[Throwawayacc3]

Except that there is evidence: It's the [Enter religious book name here].

I liked blackjack because I could count cards and have an edge over the casino however I never touched roulette or slots.

Out of the 1000+ religions which book is the correct one? Those odds don't sound great. Would be a bummer if you picked the wrong one.

 

[LaughingGoat]

These theological questions get asked so much, I'm thinking we just have a megathread to debunk all this religious fear.

 

[Throwawayacc3]

These theological questions get asked so much, I'm thinking we just have a megathread to debunk all this religious fear.

How people fear imaginary stuff rather than the elephant in the room.

They should fear PEOPLE. Not magical entities. People are doing all the evil shit - government, corporations, medical, etc all run by CUNT people. Why people don't have fear in them but choose to have fear in ghosts or some guy who has goat legs and horns.

 

[LaughingGoat]

How people fear imaginary stuff rather than the elephant in the room.

They should fear PEOPLE. Not magical entities. People are doing all the evil shit - government, corporations, medical, etc all run by CUNT people. Why people don't have fear in them but choose to have fear in ghosts or some guy who has goat legs and horns.

I hear you and agree fearing non-entities is misguided, would say though that the desire to believe is in search of hope/meaning not fear. The fear just follows because it was/is an extremely useful motivator for religious leaders to ensure compliance. Even the example of ghosts, outside of their use in horror fiction, the enduring belief in them comes from a connection to the idea that there is a soul that persists in death. People who claim supernatural phenomenon of ghosts often say they saw the ghost of a relative and they usually interpret it as them saying goodbye.

 

[Z-A]

You can't get an answer for this, only an opinion. Whatever it's gonna be, it's gonna be inevitable just like death, there's no reason to fear it, it'll be just another worry on top of everything else.

 

[iloverachel]

Oh man I would hate to think there is a worse place than this
This life is enough punishment for me

 

[thenamingofcats]

I guess there's always a chance but then you would have to equally consider all the hells from every religion that has ever existed and also consider hells that are unknown, in the case that no one got it right. Basically the hell concept preys on our ideas of sin and punishment for sin.

 

[Coconut blue]

yes hell is real and you're living in it rn

 

[lovedread]

I've realized it doesn't matter if hell is real im probably going there anyway

 

[fleetingnight]

I don't think so. But if there is a god and they're the type to think suicide should be punished, then I'd rather be sent to hell anyways, so I don't have to be anywhere near them

 

[tvo]

My understanding of dimensions and Densities of consciousness is that this current time space dimension and 3rd density consciousness is by far the most dense of all. Think of Ice, water and steam/vapour density, Ice will be the most dense/heavy/hard and steam will be the least dense; similarly our current lower dimension is the most dense, heavy, hard, it is hard out here (literally), hence the hellish experiences. This is a very cursory example I can think of at this time.

So any way, Like the example I made above, when we leave our physical form (physical reality), our most dense/hard selves (similar to ice), we transition to the next higher dimensions/planes which are less dense/hard (like ice transitioning to water). From the next less dense dimension we can transition even higher, which will be like water transitioning to steam which is the least heavy (peace/love/heaven). Our current dimension is very heavy and hard (literally), the evidence is everywhere, this is as hellish as it gets. I am unable to find any logic for an after life/forever and ever hell in terms of dimensions, consciousness and Densities. Reincarnation makes more sense to me, coming back here to experience this hell all over again.

I don't believe in any possibility of punishment after transitioning back to the less dense higher planes of unity, love and healing (what we commonly call "a better place"), makes no sense from my perspective, in such a reality of love and healing the experience of punishment will not exist at all.

I know from experience that I went through all kinds of pain since childhood, I'm in my adulthood now and I am completely shredded (deep wounds to the psyche), why would there be a punishment waiting for me when I catch my bus. My life has been as punishing as it gets, deep healing and euphoria awaits me (and this I know).

 

[KidWhite]

I guess not. I mean, think about it. Everywhere you go, absolutely every nation has a religion. Even on the islands where the natives still live, they have their own religion.
Just think about it: You were born in a poor village near Thailand. All your life you have only known about Buddhism and you have never even heard of the word Christianity or Muslim. Suddenly you get hit by a car and die, you are greeted by god with the words "Well shit son, you were born in the wrong place, go to hell for the wrong religion." Lol. Absolutely every religion claims to be the most faithful. There are so many religions in the world it's fucked up. One thing I know for sure, there is some other dimension. When I took about 10 grams of mushrooms, I saw an endless yellow/orange space with columns when I closed my eyes. I recently came across a dmt trip simulation on youtube and there was this same yellow space with columns. I didn't see any creatures or mechanical elves though. In the comments a person wrote that he saw the same yellow space with columns. In general I think it is most likely that there is nothing after death. If there is, it's definitely not hell.

 

[angel31]

Is there a chance we will be punished and suffer even more in the afterlife for killing ourselves?

I mean ig there's a chance but like there is nothing indicating hell existis so its exactly as likely as being stuck in a room together with a 2cm high unicorn and with pictures of 2month old pigs on the walls. Soooooooooo…

 

[Slipkorn]

we're in hell now

 

[Dark Window]

1) Which hell? There have been many negative afterlife realities used to control people

2) Hell/heaven has obviously been used to control others. Therefore it's likely that it doesn't exist.

3) There's absolutely no evidence for the existence of hell whatsoever.

 

[GhostShell]

Hell is real and it exists here on planet earth. Severe me/cfs and a week of zero sleep at the beginning of long covid is the actual physical representation of hell and nobody can convince me otherwise. After living through that I dont believe anything worse awaits us after death. Living is worse.

 

[tpboy]

LAST TIME. HELL IS NOT REAL!!!! Neither is the devil. Neither is god. Any questions?

 

[Darkover]

Hell only exists if you are Jewish Muslim or Christian
for everyone else, it's a man-made concept they teach in religion to control the masses
Maybe this world is another planet's hell.'

 

[Pathetic and Sad]

Except that there is evidence: It's the [Enter religious book name here].

Well, I didn't have anything to do today so I thought a bit more about it and came up with a better response than what I previously said:

Well, the probability of those books written as a joke, story or just by some con man or someone mentally ill is far more likely than it being written by through a revelation by some god. Because we can't see any inking of the said god today, but the things I said before are readily out there. My best guess? A very intelligent leader artificially induced these "revelations" to some gullible and illiterate masses (almost no one could read and write back then) to control the population and it just spread and spread...

I know your answer was a joke, but it remained rent-free in my head throughout the day today, and I believe I came up with a better response in case some serious religious cultist came up to me with the same answer.

If the religious text books are the "evidences" for the existence of gods, then the entire logic of religion would be circulatory. The evidence of god is religious book, but it's well-established that religious books are true because it's written by god. So, the book is the evidence for god's existence while the truthfulness of the book is the evidenced by the existence of the god. It's as good as me writing in a paper "I'm a god" being good of a evidence for me being a god. How? Well, I'm a god cuz that piece of paper said so, and what that piece of paper said is true because god (which is me) wrote it. Thus I'm god and you shall bow before me, peasants.

 

[KillingPain267]

Is there a chance we will be punished and suffer even more in the afterlife for killing ourselves?

As a Christian Bible believer (albeit in the minority) I believe "hell" is a final "burning up" of the lost sinners (so, nothing eternal about a soul burning for ever).

Isaiah 37:36: "Then the angel of the LORD went forth, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians a hundred and fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead CORPSES."

Also, I believe ctb is no worse than another homicide, but ALL sin is covered by the blood of Christ. So if you believe Christ died and rose for all your sins, you will be raised up in the resurrection at judgment day (I believe if you die today, it's like a coma until God restores your brain and body at judgment day and you suddenly awake).

 

[Unknown21]

No, hell and heaven are myth.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

We're in hell right now

 

[bearbrikk]

Wake up we are already here