is being ugly is enough of a reason to CTB?

[HopeIess]

is being ugly is enough of a reason to CTB?

im 23, never had a gf, not a single girl expressed any desire towards me... and the thing i hate the most is when people say that being ugly is a choice, like sure i can change my haircut and grow a beard but the bones in my face will not change their shape... maybe if you are ugly because you are unkempt of poorly groomed that might work, but if the bones in your face/body are not shaped in the correct way you are fucked, your life will be miserable, people will treat you badly just for existing.

seeing other people living romantics relationships while i can't is the worst thing ever, the only solution if not going out of my house and pretend that everybody else lives like me... that makes me feel a little bit better.

 

[hati793]

We have option to ctb
Option is there so we can exercise it.

Reason is subjective.

You have to ask yourself and choose.

Imo living under partial slavery is biggest reason to ctb.

Everyone is living under partial slavery, we don not have our share of land to grow food and live and only way is to fight, those who rule can only rule bcoz they made stupid decision to fight and won. A whole lot of them died while trying to win also enduring suffering on the way.

Best way is to ctb and not suffer.

 

[PainWorseThanDeath]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, my friend.

One man's trash is another man's treasure, and vice versa.

Could it be possible that you're basing your worth on an erroneous notion of what life is like for others, and not being open to the possibility that society has crammed your head full of negative bullshit.

Btw... if you can't love and appreciate yourself without a girlfriend, you're not going to have much luck getting one. It took me far too long to grasp this concept... you have to love yourself first in life, otherwise you're setting yourself up for disaster. Do not base yourself worth on the opinions and approval of others, it's guaranteed to leave you worse off than you were when you begin, should you find even a moments relief. Please take my advice on this.

Let me save you great suffering. Work on you, and literally everything else will fall into place. You have to be what it is you want to attract in life.

 

[pechaberry]

You could always try gym and plastic surgery first? You get one shot at life might as well throw as much as you've got at the wall before you kill yourself?

 

[Captive_Mind515]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, my friend.

One man's trash is another man's treasure, and vice versa.

Could it be possible that you're basing your worth on an erroneous notion of what life is like for others, and not being open to the possibility that society has crammed your head full of negative bullshit.

Btw... if you can't love and appreciate yourself without a girlfriend, you're not going to have much luck getting one. It took me far too long to grasp this concept... you have to love yourself first in life, otherwise you're setting yourself up for disaster. Do not base yourself worth on the opinions and approval of others, it's guaranteed to leave you worse off than you were when you begin, should you find even a moments relief. Please take my advice on this.

Let me save you great suffering. Work on you, and literally everything else will fall into place. You have to be what it is you want to attract in life.

I really hate this type of toxic positivity garbage, where you're forced to deny objective reality in order to achieve some delusional form of contentment. And the gaslighting involved in the process.

Yes, being ugly is a genuine reason to ctb. If it bothers you that much, and you're not willing to just tolerate it. Genetics are a very real thing, and many people hit the genetic jackpot while others are left to feed off scraps on the ground… maybe if we didn't live in such a hyper superficial world filled with with narcissists and attention whores who use their genetics to secure better life outcomes…

But we do, and it's only getting worse in the social media era… so no point burying your head in the sand about things.

 

[PainWorseThanDeath]

I really hate this type of toxic positivity garbage, where you're forced to deny objective reality in order to achieve some delusional form of contentment. And the gaslighting involved in the process.

Yes, being ugly is a genuine reason to ctb. If it bothers you that much, and you're not willing to just tolerate it. Genetics are a very real thing, and many people hit the genetic jackpot while others are left to feed off scraps on the ground… maybe if we didn't live in such a hyper superficial world filled with with narcissists and attention whores who use their genetics to secure better life outcomes…

But we do, and it's only getting worse in the social media era… so no point burying your head in the sand about things.

I can tell you're way blackpilled on that incel shit.

What this is, is self-fulfilling prophecy LOL

Let me tell you something... I was the skinniest, most rejected, pickdx on little nerd all my life...

But one thing I've never been is bitter at the world for it. That's why love has found me time and again.

You will get what you put out in life. You have to be someone people are attracted to, and it's way beyond just skin deep.

Shit LOL that's the least meaningful thing if you want something to last LOL

Male loneliness is a "shoot yourself in the foot" epidemic LOL

Beauty is subjective.

Ask someone beautiful and ugly mean, and you're going to get different answers from everyone. That's why this kind of mentality is shit. Erroneous thinking. Erroneous, injurious thinking.

 

[eatantz]

Yes, I think if you're willing to die over it then its clearly a big enough problem. It's also how I feel.

 

[starboy2k]

Any reason is a reason to ctb.

 

[makebelieve]

Yes, being ugly puts you into a disadvantage compared to the average person and you will deal with unfair treatment from society.

 

[HopeIess]

You could always try gym and plastic surgery first? You get one shot at life might as well throw as much as you've got at the wall before you kill yourself?

i've been going to the gym for years but a good physique cant make up for an ugly face... plastic surgery is super expensive and carries some risks... the point is that i dont have one flaw (like the nose) that you can fix easily with plastic surgery, i have multiple flaws in my face and im also not very tall... i would probably need hundreds of thousand of dollars to reach an "acceptable level", and maybe i will get that in my late 20s after having lost the best years... is that really worth it?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, my friend.

One man's trash is another man's treasure, and vice versa.

Could it be possible that you're basing your worth on an erroneous notion of what life is like for others, and not being open to the possibility that society has crammed your head full of negative bullshit.

Btw... if you can't love and appreciate yourself without a girlfriend, you're not going to have much luck getting one. It took me far too long to grasp this concept... you have to love yourself first in life, otherwise you're setting yourself up for disaster. Do not base yourself worth on the opinions and approval of others, it's guaranteed to leave you worse off than you were when you begin, should you find even a moments relief. Please take my advice on this.

Let me save you great suffering. Work on you, and literally everything else will fall into place. You have to be what it is you want to attract in life.

no, beauty is the same for everybody. There some personal preference but generally speaking everybody can tell if someone has a "good dna" just by looking at them... symmetry, height, dimorphic traits...
yeah you can find somebody who will settle for you eventually and maybe you are settling for them too and you are not even going be attracted to each other and both of you will end up lusting after somebody else.

 

[PanaxMan]

is being ugly is enough of a reason to CTB?

im 23, never had a gf, not a single girl expressed any desire towards me... and the thing i hate the most is when people say that being ugly is a choice, like sure i can change my haircut and grow a beard but the bones in my face will not change their shape... maybe if you are ugly because you are unkempt of poorly groomed that might work, but if the bones in your face/body are not shaped in the correct way you are fucked, your life will be miserable, people will treat you badly just for existing.

seeing other people living romantics relationships while i can't is the worst thing ever, the only solution if not going out of my house and pretend that everybody else lives like me... that makes me feel a little bit better.

Sure. I mean I'm ugly right now but I have decent genes (for a Asian guy) I know that I could get a woman (maybe not a serious one) if I ever decided to rush towards that goal. But I'm not even able to take a first step towards starting a life anyway so it won't matter

 

[PainWorseThanDeath]

Any reason is a reason to ctb.

I believe this is the most accurate answer on this thread. I mean ffs some people throw themselves off a bridge just because they're having one too many bad days in a row. It's not any one particular thing for some people, it's just being fed up with life as a whole.

Not terminally ill. Not even ctb depressed.... just... fed up. People sick of being stuck in traffic have jumped off of bridges, etc

Reasons can be very highly individualistic. I mean for fuck sake, I once to tried to ctb because I quit a job that I hated anyway. In fact... I'm the one that skipped work, and went for a weekend-long party/rave in New Orleans, and told them I was quitting.

I got back and was like "well... fuck. LOL now what? Just had the best weekend of my life, don't have a job to go to... idk, might as well just KMS!" the fuck? LOL

I still look back on that attempt and laugh at myself. I mean.. it wasn't really funny, because I almost destroyed my liver, and had to have my stomach pumped with charcoal, which fucking sucks... so it definitely wasn't funny in the moment.. but in retrospect...

Lol yeah... pretty fucking silly

i've been going to the gym for years but a good physique cant make up for an ugly face... plastic surgery is super expensive and carries some risks... the point is that i dont have one flaw (like the nose) that you can fix easily with plastic surgery, i have multiple flaws in my face and im also not very tall... i would probably need hundreds of thousand of dollars to reach an "acceptable level", and maybe i will get that in my late 20s after having lost the best years... is that really worth it?

no, beauty is the same for everybody. There some personal preference but generally speaking everybody can tell if someone has a "good dna" just by looking at them... symmetry, height, dimorphic traits...
yeah you can find somebody who will settle for you eventually and maybe you are settling for them too and you are not even going be attracted to each other and both of you will end up lusting after somebody else.

It's a very shallow and black pilled perspective my guy.

What kind of content are you consuming?

Listen to what I'm saying.. if you believe this way... if you truly feel this way and carry yourself this way, you were only going to come across other people that think like you. You're not going to attract people that are looking for the beauty inside.

Outer beauty is meaningless, it doesn't last. This is why half of all marriages or more end in divorce. This is why the majority of all relationships as a whole fail. Wrong priorities. People get old, even the most quote unquote beautiful person is going to become "ugly."

Then what have you got? Nothing.

It's better to concentrate on more worthwhile and meaningful things. Believe me, beauty is fleeting. Time only goes one direction, friend.

Question... are you consuming toxically masculine looksmaxxer manosphere content?

If you are, please don't.. stop, and talk to some of the other women here, we won't lie to you.

Most women, and especially the kind that make for good girlfriends.. the kind you actually want to settle down with are not attracted to this kind of man, and are rather disgusted by their behavior.

Using them for role models will guarantee that you wind up alone. Best case, you will have many shallow interactions by people that just want to use you.. and that is truly a best case scenario by using these people, as a template.

People find their own kind in life. Like attracts like. What people put out is what they draw in. If you listen to shallow, vapid, self-conscious men... that is exactly what you will draw to you.... and you will find that you wind up even worse off than you were when you began.

It doesn't lead to happiness. I'm saying that from experience. I used to chase looks in myself, and everybody else.. then I realized nobody wanted anything from me but my body. Shit sucked... it made me even more suicidal, knowing that after everything I put myself through people just wanted me in bed and that was it. Never to stay the night. Yeah, fuck that.

 

[finaldestination22]

As a man you should never look to CTB because you're ugly ever. If you have chronic health issues or other serious conditions idk up to you because being weak as man(psysically) it's very hard you basically have your wings cut off.

As a man the only thing you should look for is success . That's all. Be the best in what you like and the rest will follow. I fell into this bs trap due to my borderline and weak mental state and only too late I realised that it was all a bs mentality to have.

A man will always be loved conditionally and there is one thing that both men and women respects no matter what: statut and power.
Looking to be ''pretty" as a man is a disease of our age. Sure let's be real too being a 6ft handsome man it makes your life easier to socialise and get dates but it does not guarantee you a wonderful life. Big difference. You just get bored less but you might still end working for someone else and have plenty of toxic relationships.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

I can tell you're way blackpilled on that incel shit.

What this is, is self-fulfilling prophecy LOL

Let me tell you something... I was the skinniest, most rejected, pickdx on little nerd all my life...

But one thing I've never been is bitter at the world for it. That's why love has found me time and again.

You will get what you put out in life. You have to be someone people are attracted to, and it's way beyond just skin deep.

Shit LOL that's the least meaningful thing if you want something to last LOL

Male loneliness is a "shoot yourself in the foot" epidemic LOL

Beauty is subjective.

Ask someone beautiful and ugly mean, and you're going to get different answers from everyone. That's why this kind of mentality is shit. Erroneous thinking. Erroneous, injurious thinking.

Great, but your 'I survived being a nerd' origin story doesn't actually change the data. It's great that your life worked out like a rom-com, but personal anecdotes aren't a substitute for objective reality.

You've heard of "survivor bias"? The logical fallacy where someone who happened to succeed assumes their personal experience is a universal blueprint for everyone else. You are essentially telling people that their lived reality is just a "bad vibe" you can wish away with enough self-help mantras.

It's easy to believe the world is a meritocracy of 'good vibes' when the world's so-called 'subjective' standards happened to align in favour of you. Everything is fine because it worked out for me. Groundbreaking stuff.

Your experiences clearly must mean that the systemic and biological hurdles everyone else faces must be just imaginary.

It's really peak comedy to call objective reality 'erroneous thinking' while you're unironically peddling the 'law of attraction' BS like a mid-tier life coach. You're essentially telling someone in a rainstorm that they're only wet because they have a 'negative outlook' on water. lol

Labelling an observation of reality as blackpilled / incel is just a trendy way of saying you're uncomfortable with data that doesn't fit your Hallmark movie worldview of how everything is supposed to work out.

And btw, I've no real personal skin in the game here. I've no interest in relationships and I don't struggle with attractiveness. I just have empathy for people in this life facing these issues.

And for some people, it's not even about finding a partner. They can face very real anxiety and unhappiness, even just at the prospect of leaving the house everyday and facing the world. Because there is very real and tangible social stigma attached to being ugly in our society. It affects people's confidence and sense of self worth in everything they do. Just because of physical attributes they had no control over, given to them at birth. There is a deep sense of unfairness about these aspects of our lives.

 

[PainWorseThanDeath]

But you are saying that beauty is a universal concept.. and it isn't.

Moreover, you're hyper focusing on the most useless traits. You can be as attractive as a person can possibly get, and still disgust decent people, and still just draw human trash to you. In fact, whatever your personality is, is what you're going to draw to you. The more you look good on the surface, and are ugly underneath... the more that's going to be the case. That is the point that I'm trying to make to you.

By the way nothing worked out in favor of me bc of my looks. I haven't had all the love that I have enjoyed my life because I look good. Lol I am mid, at the very best. What I am, though... is a genuinely good person.

I'm the kind of person that the -right- people want to be around.... and I'm the kind of person that it's very uncomfortable to be shallow around.

Sadly, the kind of person i am is also the kind of person that bad people look to take advantage of at every turn, because we are kind and compassionate.

People that only care about what you look like, only want to use you, pal. That's what I'm trying to get across to you. You're going about what you're looking for in life entirely wrong. Who wants to be valid by shallow, vapid users and losers? LOL

I pushed myself to the very limits of my physicality, to make myself more attractive to others. I have done what most would call impossible... and you want to know what I got from it all?

Used and left feeling empty.. used just for my body. I didn't receive love. I didn't receive social favor lol... I didn't gain anything, other than a long line of people that just wanted to stick their dick in me. Whoopty fucking doooooo. LOL It's not what you imagine, I promise you.

Sex is meaningless...

Meaningful, soulful, emotionally intimate interaction.. that's what gives life meaning.

If all of your wishes in this department were granted.. you would find that all of your dreams would be destroyed.

You would find yourself surrounded by people that just wanted to use you, but did not value you as a person because there's nothing on the inside worth sticking around for or loving, and the people that you are surrounded by would not be capable of doing so anyways.

They would be shallow, vapid, narcissistic.

I will say it again, you will receive what you exude in life. What you put out, you will draw in. Like seeks like. People want to be around people like themselves. It's just human nature.

If you want worthwhile human interaction.. if you want meaning, out of life you have to be a genuinely compassionate, caring person.

This is what will pull in the kind of people that make for a good life.

You make my point in one regard though... yes... shallow, vapid, spiritually ugly and meaningless society does place far too much importance on physical attractiveness...

Always primping, preening... trying to make themselves seem better than others, at whatever cost to those around them. No regard for others, only themselves.

The question is.. do you really want to contribute to that? Do you want to surround yourself with these types? Or would you rather be with people that realize that beauty is fleeting, and thus meaningless?

Only the worst kind of people think, and therefore treat themselves and others this way. It's first internalized... and then forced on to others.. this is why you have people like androgenic and clavicular poisoning the minds of young men, with advice that makes them entirely unattractive to any woman worth settling down with LOL.

It is a puffed up bravado, rooted in nothing but insecurity.

I don't understand why people place value on the opinions of people who are morally bankrupt, and emotionally empty other than self-seeking behavior and mentality.

 

[bl33ding_heart]

There is far more to life than physical appearance. I can understand why appearance plays such a big part though as society views unattractive people as less than attractive people.

 

[PainWorseThanDeath]

It's not that hard to comprehend... people want to be around people like themselves lol this is why douchebag narcissist congregate in their corners... that is why suicidal people congregate in this one...

You can try to downplay those facts.. but look around you...

If what you want is to be as a shallow, vapid, looks obsessed douche that's what you're going to be surrounded by LOL...

That and others that want to be like you LOL

Me, I'm going to keep loving others, looking out for worthwhile people with emotional and i tellwctual depth, loving my life, and shoving away people with shallow mentality. There are takers and there are givers in life ... most people that think like you do.. they're just takers. That's why people like you wind up alone man.

Great, but your 'I survived being a nerd' origin story doesn't actually change the data. It's great that your life worked out like a rom-com, but personal anecdotes aren't a substitute for objective reality.

You've heard of "survivor bias"? The logical fallacy where someone who happened to succeed assumes their personal experience is a universal blueprint for everyone else. You are essentially telling people that their lived reality is just a "bad vibe" you can wish away with enough self-help mantras.

It's easy to believe the world is a meritocracy of 'good vibes' when the world's so-called 'subjective' standards happened to align in favour of you. Everything is fine because it worked out for me. Groundbreaking stuff.

Your experiences clearly must mean that the systemic and biological hurdles everyone else faces must be just imaginary.

It's really peak comedy to call objective reality 'erroneous thinking' while you're unironically peddling the 'law of attraction' BS like a mid-tier life coach. You're essentially telling someone in a rainstorm that they're only wet because they have a 'negative outlook' on water. lol

Labelling an observation of reality as blackpilled / incel is just a trendy way of saying you're uncomfortable with data that doesn't fit your Hallmark movie worldview of how everything is supposed to work out.

And btw, I've no real personal skin in the game here. I've no interest in relationships and I don't struggle with attractiveness. I just have empathy for people in this life facing these issues.

And for some people, it's not even about finding a partner. They can face very real anxiety and unhappiness, even just at the prospect of leaving the house everyday and facing the world. Because there is very real and tangible social stigma attached to being ugly in our society. It affects people's confidence and sense of self worth in everything they do. Just because of physical attributes they had no control over, given to them at birth. There is a deep sense of unfairness about these aspects of our lives.

Case in point.. this thread is filled with women trying to tell you how wrong you are and yet it's nothing but you men patting each other's backs, reinforcing this negative mentality.

I mean, if what you want is to be surrounded by a bunch of self pitying swinging dicks that are mad at the world, and blame women rather than themselves, all the time, you've definitely got the right plan.

The women on this thread are trying to steer you all in the right direction, and yet you listen to other men who are alone, and admit that they have no game... so much so that they're in here on a suicide forum? LOL

I don't know.. I would probably listen to the women that are trying to tell you how to find worthwhile company.

But hey, you do you.. smash your face with the hammer, put everything you have into a fleeting, impossible to really pin down notion of beauty... develop more ego than substance... view sex & relationships as transactional...

Doing this will get you exactly what you deserve for it, if that's what truly speaks to you in life.

It will leave you increasingly bitter, materialistic, an emotionally hollow. Life will be just as surface as you, and likewise as meaningless.

I've seen it play out a million times.

Almost even did it to myself.

So glad I figured out what actually matters in life... I was headed for a bad end.

I've given you boys the best advice of woman could possibly ever give you.

Best of luck, you're going to need it.

 

[Tini]

I suffer from a rare syndrome that makes me age 10 times faster, and I think about taking the bus every day, not to mention the constant daily humiliation. I simply wish my survival instinct didn't exist so I could do what I should have done already.

 

[LittleJem]

I am a woman and I got called ugly at school. It definitely affects your life.

A good personality, confidence, humour, chemistry, yes success...they can jump the fence of a man's looks. How to have those, I dunno.

I then got called pretty at 16. I was so awkward. I had some relationships. My illness is destroying my looks now with insomnia, and I'm aging.

OP, I don't think looks are everythinf in a man, but it can be harder. I don't know the answer.
If you are happy and have food..it might be worth living. I am syicidal and agitated all the time, plus insomnia.

I also know people who pay for sex and affection. I think thar can be a good thing. The men I know who used to in the past are more autistic/socially isolated than ugly. Ome of them is ugly.

Anyway, I'm quite awjward, so sorry if anything I say annoys you. Also, I saw no sign of you blaming women. Life is eaier, often, for people who look better. I agree.

 

[HopeIess]

Also, I saw no sign of you blaming women

there's no reason to blame women... they do whats best for themselves based on the options available, i'do the same thing if i could.

what i blame is the world and human nature and how cruel they can be.

 

[BlueMist96]

I'm not gonna say something like "oh I'm sure you look fine" because I have no way of knowing that, however, I have experience with putting myself down, and getting into the "well, if I already look bad I may as well not even try" mentality. I'm just now realizing how much time I wasted trying to compare myself to others. I spent so long worrying about the way I looked, and all it did was make me look insecure, because I was, and still am, but I'm getting better.

I'm the same age as you and I've also never had any romantic or sexual experiences with anyone, though I isolate myself and don't put any effort into meeting people, so it's to be expected. I'm not sure if you've been putting yourself out there, or are the same as me.

The truth is that unless you are part of the 1% of guys that are genuinely unbelievably attractive, you aren't going to be approached by women that are complete strangers. Even guys like that will struggle to maintain an actually relationship if they have shitty personalities. There are TONS of genuinely attractive guys that just assume they're ugly because women aren't approaching them. It's pretty sad.

On the other hand, I see couples all the time where the woman is absolutely beautiful and the guy looks like shreks uglier brother. This is because the way attraction works for men and women is completely different. I'm not gonna pretend I understand it, but it's pretty obvious that it just isn't the same.

So, if you want to be one of those guys that have women lining up in the streets to have sex with them, then yea, you're fucked, but if you think that you're unlovable just because you're "ugly" (which you might not even be) then you're just wrong.

 

[Dejected 55]

Lots of hyperbole in this thread, that really isn't helpful to anyone.

Most of us think we are uglier than we are... even the pretty people think they are uglier than they are at times. There is truth to the "eye of the beholder" thing... so if someone else likes you then its legit... but it's also legit if someone doesn't like you. However you slice it, liking yourself and having confidence doesn't guarantee you anything. Sure, some things can improve your stake... but it is possible to do everything correctly and be good looking and still find yourself alone. There are no guarantees in this world.

That said... many surveys say that women find 80% of men unattractive. As long as they have a choice, and men and women should ALWAYS have a choice, then if they find 80% of men unattractive, most guys are going to be shit out of luck no matter what they do... and that's where the frustration sets in... when you realize that women with a choice are going to wait as long as they can for the best possible option and nobody else even gets a chance to shine.

On the other side... sure men get shit for wanting "young" or "pretty" women... but the surveys and reality bear out that men are more flexible when it comes to looks in women they find attractive. Also, men are generally expected still to approach and ask women out... so women are in the position of deciding. Sure, if you are a woman that never gets asked out that SUCKS like hell and those women 100% get the experience a lot of men are talking about for being lonely, and I have a lot of empathy for those women. But men have to ask out lots of women, in most cases, before they even get the slightest interest.

Men will date a woman who likes him without regard to whether other men or women like her or not. Women, however, are much less likely to date a man who has few friends and doesn't have other options of women to date. Men often want a woman for who she is and aren't looking for competition from other men. Women seem to invite competition and are far more interested in a man who is already with someone than they are a single available guy.

Sure, there are a lot of stereotypes here... but that's society. And none of us are perfect. Many "ugly" people also don't want to date other "ugly" people... many think they can do better OR would rather be rejected by a pretty person than another person they see as "ugly." It's kind of fucked up when you think about it.

And while there is truth to the notion that you need to like yourself for other people to like you... It is also true that your confidence only goes so far and if no one wants to be with you, your confidence doesn't mean shit. You can be the most qualified Engineer and still lose the job to someone less qualified. You can be a good man or a good woman and still not have anyone appreciate you and love you... and being confident after rejection after rejection after rejection is tough.

 

[extremelyugly]

Absolutely. And yes, women will definitely make you understand that you are, in fact, ugly and undesirable; if there's denial about this in here, I would be very disappointed. I've been treated like complete and utter garbage by women just because of the bones of my face, and also because I'm not masculine looking (I am XXY). I hear them say it and they don't even care that I can hear them and that I'm the only one who those words could refer about. "Ugly", "Horrendous", "Rapist face", "Why do I have eyes", "Where the fuck did that thing come from", and other words that I have no clue how to translate from my language but believe me, they DO. NOT. CARE. I'm sorry but the reality is, if you're considered ugly by women, there's nothing you can do apart from being a millionarie and doing every surgery you can, and even then, you might end up just about average (which is obviously much better, but let's face it, for us who are extremely rejected, average won't cut it anymore, because we're broken).

Whether this sounds like "blackpill" or not, is irrelevant to the fact that it happens. Only for those it does this makes sense, for the rest, they will always be "oh you must be doing something wrong bro", well, yes, looking very unattractive by genetics.

So, final answer: yes, this is absolutely more reason than enough for CTB.

 

[dirkw83]

There's only very few men who are actually good looking, by far almost every man you meet looks just average, just another dude. Men aren't built for physical attractiveness lol. On the other hand how often do you really see a guy that makes you go whoah, he's ugly. Also almost never. With that in mind is being "ugly" a reason to ctb, imo no. It's just not important enough, you can do so much fun stuff in life as a regular looking guy. But that's just my opinion.

 

[Lucid7972]

I do not think anyone need any reason to die by suicide, there should not be a qualifying standard

 

[tipoftheRGB]

My hot friend got in to a relationship with a really ugly guy when she was 24 and he was about 29 and she really likes him (and yes she was super hot and got hit on all the time). Shes demisexual but there are quite a few less visual women out there like her as well. I think you do need a good personality AND good game as well though. So no I don't believe this is worth ctb over - your situation is fixable. Btw a fair amount of women don't really express interest in men in my experience - men usually pursue and win them over. So you need a good personality, good social skills and to have good game. Also as a man you haven't even peaked yet at 23 - you may find you hit your stride in your late 20s - early 30s. Also look around you - there are plenty of ugly men out there with girlfriends. Also some women like big guys (they call them bears). I've also seen tiny feminine looking guys find hot gfs to address another comment here. Honestly its wild out there and not like what...certain places on the internet claim.

 

[byec560]

As a man you should never look to CTB because you're ugly ever. If you have chronic health issues or other serious conditions idk up to you because being weak as man(psysically) it's very hard you basically have your wings cut off.

As a man the only thing you should look for is success . That's all. Be the best in what you like and the rest will follow. I fell into this bs trap due to my borderline and weak mental state and only too late I realised that it was all a bs mentality to have.

A man will always be loved conditionally and there is one thing that both men and women respects no matter what: statut and power.
Looking to be ''pretty" as a man is a disease of our age. Sure let's be real too being a 6ft handsome man it makes your life easier to socialise and get dates but it does not guarantee you a wonderful life. Big difference. You just get bored less but you might still end working for someone else and have plenty of toxic relationships.

How are you going to "succeed" if you're ugly? Don't see many atrociously ugly presidents or CEOs. I think grindset ideology has muddied your view of the world.

My hot friend got in to a relationship with a really ugly guy when she was 24 and he was about 29 and she really likes him (and yes she was super hot and got hit on all the time). Shes demisexual but there are quite a few less visual women out there like her as well. I think you do need a good personality AND good game as well though. So no I don't believe this is worth ctb over - your situation is fixable. Btw a fair amount of women don't really express interest in men in my experience - men usually pursue and win them over. So you need a good personality, good social skills and to have good game. Also as a man you haven't even peaked yet at 23 - you may find you hit your stride in your late 20s - early 30s. Also look around you - there are plenty of ugly men out there with girlfriends. Also some women like big guys (they call them bears). I've also seen tiny feminine looking guys find hot gfs to address another comment here. Honestly its wild out there and not like what...certain places on the internet claim.

No, there really aren't "plenty of ugly men with girlfriends" in my surroundings. A lot of the dudes I know are legit incels (descriptively, not as in they subscribe to "blackpill" ideology or whatever) and the ones that aren't have partners that tolerate them more than like them. Is it reason enough to ctb? Idk. But it is really hard being ugly.

 

[tipoftheRGB]

How are you going to "succeed" if you're ugly? Don't see many atrociously ugly presidents or CEOs. I think grindset ideology has muddied your view of the world.

No, there really aren't "plenty of ugly men with girlfriends" in my surroundings. A lot of the dudes I know are legit incels (descriptively, not as in they subscribe to "blackpill" ideology or whatever) and the ones that aren't have partners that tolerate them more than like them. Is it reason enough to ctb? Idk. But it is really hard being ugly.

Lol what theres plenty of rich successful fat ugly old men out there dating their decades younger model girlfriends? Some men get rich in order to access that lifestyle.

What are your surroundings? I mean go out to a public place where plenty of old and unattractive people can be found - maybe a supermarket in a normal area (not an area full of young or attractive people)? You do see ugly couples in public. A lot of the dudes you know is limited to your social circles and direct surroundings? I have met a few men that are ugly af and have attractive girlfriends and a couple at the very least have girlfriends on their level in my social circles and they are happy together which means it can be done. I am 29 though and I suspect maybe I am older than you so have met more people than you? Because if I was still a teenager - mid 20s, I'd probably agree with you. Its the kind of thing you don't believe until you see it and even when you see it you don't understand it if you are more visually inclined yourself. You could also google ugly men in the public eye and then look to see if they have girlfriends (they usually do). The only men I have met who are incels are either simps (so have no game), have horrible personalities (bitter, mean, needy, victim mentality, obsessed with manosphere stuff and talk about it all the time), lack social skills (they are often unaware they lack them too), are autistic and ugly at the same time, are young so haven't figured the world out yet or are unhygienic/overweight/aren't taking care of themselves/terrible clothes/hair style or a combination of those things. And those men sometimes hang out together and confirm each others biases as well with bs like "80% of women want 20% of the men" and "women only date bad boys" without realising they are the nerd/outcast group because of their personalities not their looks. Looks DO matter a huge amount. But its not black and white. Ugly men aren't doomed to a shit life. And hot men don't necessarily have amazing lives. And yes there are women out there who are demisexual or not as visual. I more often see attractive women dating below average men than the other way round but I might have only started seeing that towards the end of my mid 20s because men often do better in dating as they get older.

Anyway idk, its hard and unfair. I just don't think ugliness on its own is good enough of a reason for a 23yo man to ctb personally because women don't experience attraction the way men do so looks are less important for men than a lot of men realise.

 

[byec560]

Lol what theres plenty of rich successful fat ugly old men out there dating their decades younger model girlfriends? Some men get rich in order to access that lifestyle.

What are your surroundings? I mean go out to a public place where plenty of old and unattractive people can be found - maybe a supermarket in a normal area (not an area full of young or attractive people)? You do see ugly couples in public. A lot of the dudes you know is limited to your social circles and direct surroundings? I have met a few men that are ugly af and have attractive girlfriends and a couple at the very least have girlfriends on their level in my social circles and they are happy together which means it can be done. I am 29 though and I suspect maybe I am older than you so have met more people than you? Because if I was still a teenager - mid 20s, I'd probably agree with you. Its the kind of thing you don't believe until you see it and even when you see it you don't understand it if you are more visually inclined yourself. You could also google ugly men in the public eye and then look to see if they have girlfriends (they usually do). The only men I have met who are incels are either simps (so have no game), have horrible personalities (bitter, mean, needy, victim mentality, obsessed with manosphere stuff and talk about it all the time), lack social skills (they are often unaware they lack them too), are autistic and ugly at the same time, are young so haven't figured the world out yet or are unhygienic/overweight/aren't taking care of themselves/terrible clothes/hair style or a combination of those things. And those men sometimes hang out together and confirm each others biases as well with bs like "80% of women want 20% of the men" and "women only date bad boys" without realising they are the nerd/outcast group because of their personalities not their looks. Looks DO matter a huge amount. But its not black and white. Ugly men aren't doomed to a shit life. And hot men don't necessarily have amazing lives. And yes there are women out there who are demisexual or not as visual. I more often see attractive women dating below average men than the other way round but I might have only started seeing that towards the end of my mid 20s because men often do better in dating as they get older.

Anyway idk, its hard and unfair. I just don't think ugliness on its own is good enough of a reason for a 23yo man to ctb personally because women don't experience attraction the way men do so looks are less important for men than a lot of men realise.

It sounds like you might be projecting a lot of baggage onto what I'm saying. To start, we're actually pretty close in age so I don't think this is just a lack of life experience thing. When you say that a lot of ugly old dudes have model gfs, why do you think this is the case? Do you think they just love them very very much? No. They tolerate them for their own gain. Those old successful guys, sure, some of them may have been ugly from the start, but most of them looked just fine in their prime and then became ugly with age (which is normal ofc). I agree that most incels have other problems, but most attractive people have other problems. Everybody has problems, but others are vastly more willing to overlook those problems if you are good looking. I've known dudes who have been in committed relationships who are misogynistic as fuck, so I have difficulty believing that this is the ultimate factor.

When you say that women aren't as visual, I think that the key distinction to make is that women don't accept on the basis of visuals (as often), but they sure as fuck exclude on the basis of visuals if you're just plain gross looking. And who can blame them?

"or are unhygienic/overweight/aren't taking care of themselves/terrible clothes/hair style or a combination of those things"
That would make them ugly, yes. For many people, that would solve the issue, but there is the saying "putting lipstick on a pig" for a reason.

Sure. You can go outside and find ugly dudes with partners. But how old are they, and how represented are they relative to attractive men in couples? I don't doubt that if you're pushing middle age you can find somebody to settle for you, but is that really what OP wants? When I go out in public or talk to my friends (mid to late 20s) you def don't see a lot of ugly people in good relationships. Though you don't see many attractive people in "happy" relationships either so maybe it's a moot point...

 

[extremelyugly]

No one has a good personality when they're constantly reminded how ugly and horrible they look. That's not how it works. And again, no, there isn't "ugly" or "very ugly" guys with beautiful girlfriends. It's not how reality operates. When you're really (not because of BDD, but because of genetics) considered basically non-human (and treated as such, devoid of any empathy towards you), then any "confidence" or "personality" goes out of the window immediately. Also, there are things that some say like "haircuts", or "beards", as if those will change in any way the bones on someone's face (and that's not even taking into account balding guys or bald, which 99% of the times worsen a guy's look).

It's an extremely harsh truth of the world, and one that is for some reason "prohibited" for the average person, but women actually care more about looks than men do, which is why they only find 1 or 2% of men truly attractive. The thing is, women care about other things on top of that; sure, you can "cheat" the system by being a millionaire or famous, but at that point, you know they probably are disgusted by you, and only with you for what you give them. It's how truth is, whether we like it or not is irrelevant, just the same way planet is round. Don't like it and believe it's flat? Oh well.

Again, for those who aren't so ugly, this really doesn't seem to make sense, or it may seem exaggerated, or "blackpill" (with all that it entails), but for those of us that really are ugly (not BDD, truly ugly), there's NOTHING in the world that we can do apart from being millionaires and doing dozens of surgeries, potentially wrecking our bodies or faces in the process.

So, yes, CTB is an absolutely perfect conclusion to arrive.