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hell toupee

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I know hanging is a method for a lot of people - it was my backup method should my primary method fail. I am contemplating switching my backup method from hanging to a 7-OH + alcohol OD that is used in conjunction with a 45 gallon plastic bag. According to calculations, a 45 gallon bag will allow normal breathing for 60-90 minutes before the CO2 rises to deadly levels. So the OD is simply to cause a loss of consciousness.

After what I researched, I may indeed stick with hanging, here's why.

Greater than 80% of all hangings (not including hanging as a state execution method) are partial hangings.

Here's what interested me the most - greater than 95% of all hangings, consciousness is lost immediately (5-15 seconds). Greater than 95% are really good odds. In the CTBs where consciousness was NOT lost immediately, was almost always due to the chosen rope or rope substitute - meaning it was too wide, or the head position was wrong (more on this below). You need something thin and hard. Not bedsheets, towels, or similar. If these are used, they need to be rolled up tightly.

Most celebrity hangings - Chester Bennington, Kate Spade, Robin Williams, Chris Cornell, etc. all died from partial. Robin Williams (belt) was actually in a seated position. Chester (belt) was on his knees, as well as Chris Cornell (elastic exercise band). Kate Spade used a scarf. All of these people had their feet flat on the ground.

Regarding head and rope position. In successful hangings, the rope is almost always placed at the top of the neck, just under the jaw. This is where the baroreceptors and vagus nerve on the carotid artery is located. These are what is responsible for immediate loss of consciousness.

Almost all successful hangings, which more than 80% are partial, are done with the chin pointed to the ground - this pushes out the carotids from the neck muscles and allows the ligature to positively occlude them, meaning instant loss of consciousness.

If you are unsuccessful in losing consciousness and are getting the exploding head feeling, this means only the jugulars are being compressed, blocking blood from draining out of the head. As the carotids continue to pump blood in to the head, resulting in the exploding head feeling, red spots all over your face (burst capillaries), blood shot eyes, etc. If this is the case, I would abort instantly. This exploding head feeling is telling you that the carotids are not occluded, and you would simply end up suffocating rather than losing consciousness quickly and CTB'ing peacefully.

This means either you are using too broad of a ligature (bedsheets, towels, etc), or your head is upright, or you aren't applying enough force. The partial positions where people are on their knees or similar and just "lean in to it", is most certainly not enough pressure. For myself, I would have to use partial because I am in a wheelchair, and am very limited in finding a high enough anchor point. If I go this route, I will use the partial position that results in 70-80% of your body weight being applied, which is the seated one, like you are sitting down with your butt in the air, and your legs stretched out in front of you. My heels will basically be the only thing touching the ground.
 
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your username is great :') thank you for the info, i attempted fsh today and failed to due to my si overwhelming me, but this info makes me feel more confident. I'm assuming knot goes behind the neck to keep chin toward ground? thank you for the info its reassuring
I think hanging seems like one of the best and most reliable methods if you cant get sn, and such a small amount of time spent suffering, the government cant take rope from us :,)
 
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your username is great :') thank you for the info, i attempted fsh today and failed to due to my si overwhelming me, but this info makes me feel more confident. I'm assuming knot goes behind the neck to keep chin toward ground? thank you for the info its reassuring
I think hanging seems like one of the best and most reliable methods if you cant get sn, and such a small amount of time spent suffering, the government cant take rope from us :,)

Yes, I was afraid I would be one of the unlucky few who didn't lose consciousness immediately and have to endure panic and struggle, however greater than 95% are really good odds.

Since I'm in the US, I'm toying with the idea of using 7-OH + alcohol + 45 gallon trash bag. 7-OH (from Kratom) is a legitimate mu opioid agonist said to be 13x more powerful than morphine. Indeed there have been a rash of ods because of it.

Suggested starting dose is 1-2mgs for an opiate naive person, and 4-6 mg for experience with a tolerance. Since it's legal and can be bought online, I can get 2 bottles totaling 1500 mg. If I fast for 24 hours beforehand, then crush up the tablets in to powder and drink with warm water while mildly intoxicated on alcohol, it would most certainly lead to loss of consciousness. And that's all I need - loss of consciousness - as soon as I feel drowsy, I will secure a 45 gallon trash bag over my head. I did some calculations and this would allow me to breathe normally for 60-90 minutes - which would give you time to fall deeper in to a semi coma.
 
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Nice post, and I agree with most of what you said.

Here's what interested me the most - greater than 95% of all hangings, consciousness is lost immediately (5-15 seconds). Greater than 95% are really good odds.

Just curious, is this a statistic you've seen somewhere, or is it just a hunch?

Anyway, you're probably not far off. I would even put the odds higher if it's full suspension or partial suspension in a good position, like the legs-forward one you mentioned.

Regarding positions, I think a high kneeling position – where there isn't a danger of it turning into sitting if the rope or the knots stretch – can also be okay, and should provide enough pressure. Rather, the problem is that people can stand up involuntarily, whereas this isn't possible with the legs-forward one after the person has lost consciousness. In any case, extending the legs forward is probably one of the best positions for partial.

Almost all successful hangings, which more than 80% are partial, are done with the chin pointed to the ground

I would argue with this. In my experience, if I lower myself with enough force when testing, the way I position my head doesn't really matter. Also, I haven't seen any reports or statistics on this either.

Personal experiences vary, and if tilting the head downward is what works best for someone, there's nothing wrong with that. However, in my opinion, and from what I observe on the forum, people focus too much on head position, 'locating' their carotids, finding the perfect rope position, etc., while the real problem is almost always that they simply don't apply enough pressure. If someone doesn't apply enough pressure, no amount of adjusting will help – it won't work. Circling back to the question of positions, extending the legs forward solves this problem as well. I mean, it ensures that there is enough pressure, since the person can't ease the pressure by pushing themselves upward.

Again, nice post overall. I'm just being overly analytical.
 
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I'm wondering how it was ascertained that greater than 95% of all hangings bring unconsciousness in 5-15 seconds as most people are alone when they do it and those who are successful would be unable to report on the experience afterwards. Not trying to quell your confidence in the method, I'm just not sure how that statistic could have been arrived at.
 
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this post is very informative and interesting to me. not to discredit what you said, but i've practiced partial with bedsheets (rolled-up, as you described) and i was able to lose consciousness and felt numb and disoriented without the head-exploding feeling. in my attempts, i did lean forward and kneel. however, i did it without hesitation and just sort of sunk to the floor without stopping. i also pre-tightened the noose as much as i could before committing to the drop. i think these factors helped me lose consciousness - doing it in one fell swoop rather than easing into it and being reluctant. everything else you detailed in your post is definitely accurate in my experience.
 
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I know hanging is a method for a lot of people - it was my backup method should my primary method fail. I am contemplating switching my backup method from hanging to a 7-OH + alcohol OD that is used in conjunction with a 45 gallon plastic bag. According to calculations, a 45 gallon bag will allow normal breathing for 60-90 minutes before the CO2 rises to deadly levels. So the OD is simply to cause a loss of consciousness.

After what I researched, I may indeed stick with hanging, here's why.

Greater than 80% of all hangings (not including hanging as a state execution method) are partial hangings.

Here's what interested me the most - greater than 95% of all hangings, consciousness is lost immediately (5-15 seconds). Greater than 95% are really good odds. In the CTBs where consciousness was NOT lost immediately, was almost always due to the chosen rope or rope substitute - meaning it was too wide, or the head position was wrong (more on this below). You need something thin and hard. Not bedsheets, towels, or similar. If these are used, they need to be rolled up tightly.

Most celebrity hangings - Chester Bennington, Kate Spade, Robin Williams, Chris Cornell, etc. all died from partial. Robin Williams (belt) was actually in a seated position. Chester (belt) was on his knees, as well as Chris Cornell (elastic exercise band). Kate Spade used a scarf. All of these people had their feet flat on the ground.

Regarding head and rope position. In successful hangings, the rope is almost always placed at the top of the neck, just under the jaw. This is where the baroreceptors and vagus nerve on the carotid artery is located. These are what is responsible for immediate loss of consciousness.

Almost all successful hangings, which more than 80% are partial, are done with the chin pointed to the ground - this pushes out the carotids from the neck muscles and allows the ligature to positively occlude them, meaning instant loss of consciousness.

If you are unsuccessful in losing consciousness and are getting the exploding head feeling, this means only the jugulars are being compressed, blocking blood from draining out of the head. As the carotids continue to pump blood in to the head, resulting in the exploding head feeling, red spots all over your face (burst capillaries), blood shot eyes, etc. If this is the case, I would abort instantly. This exploding head feeling is telling you that the carotids are not occluded, and you would simply end up suffocating rather than losing consciousness quickly and CTB'ing peacefully.

This means either you are using too broad of a ligature (bedsheets, towels, etc), or your head is upright, or you aren't applying enough force. The partial positions where people are on their knees or similar and just "lean in to it", is most certainly not enough pressure. For myself, I would have to use partial because I am in a wheelchair, and am very limited in finding a high enough anchor point. If I go this route, I will use the partial position that results in 70-80% of your body weight being applied, which is the seated one, like you are sitting down with your butt in the air, and your legs stretched out in front of you. My heels will basically be the only thing touching the ground.
Thank you for all these interesting information, seems like you did very good research about the hanging method:)

I once read that people who survived hanging mentioned after going unconscious that they saw lights or heard voices of dead loved ones or those who are still alive.

Also interestingly it was mentioned by those who survived hanging that they looked at the whole scene (their body hanging) from outside as if they went out of the body.
 
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Most celebrity hangings - Chester Bennington, Kate Spade, Robin Williams, Chris Cornell, etc. all died from partial. Robin Williams (belt) was actually in a seated position. Chester (belt) was on his knees, as well as Chris Cornell (elastic exercise band). Kate Spade used a scarf. All of these people had their feet flat on the ground.
Sorry, I'm having trouble visualizing this. Can you draw a diagram? How do they have their feet and knees on the ground at the same time?
 
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hell toupee

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Sorry, I'm having trouble visualizing this. Can you draw a diagram? How do they have their feet and knees on the ground at the same time?
In a kneeling position - you are sitting on your heels basically.
Just curious, is this a statistic you've seen somewhere, or is it just a hunch?

No, it wasn't just a hunch, this was a statistic I read in a few different studies on hanging - I'll see if I can dig them up for you.'
I would argue with this. In my experience, if I lower myself with enough force when testing, the way I position my head doesn't really matter. Also, I haven't seen any reports or statistics on this eithe

Of course everyone is different, certainly plenty people have found success with all positions and placements. I was just speaking in generalities and for people who can't seem to get things to work. These are just basic guidelines, not hard and fast rules like "if you don't do it like this, it won't work".

I'm wondering how it was ascertained that greater than 95% of all hangings bring unconsciousness in 5-15 seconds as most people are alone when they do it and those who are successful would be unable to report on the experience afterwards. Not trying to quell your confidence in the method, I'm just not sure how that statistic could have been arrived at.

See my 2nd answer above. I had read that in a few different studies. If you are wondering how this would be ascertained, I would imagine from watching or reading reports of hanging executions (which includes everything except long drop where the intent is to break the neck). Live streamed hangings - there is a study linked somewhere in the hanging mega thread of this. And also, by medical examiners - they can ascertain whether or not someone died from asphyxiation through obstruction of the air way (suffocation and suffering), or whether they died from occlusion of the carotid arteries. Mainly, when the carotids are not occluded, it results in engorgement - which means your jugulars are blocked and the carotids are left open - the jugulars drain blood from the brain, so if the carotids are left open, very sensitive capillaries in your face start filling with blood with no place to drain. It also can result in blood shot eyes, etc.

this post is very informative and interesting to me. not to discredit what you said, but i've practiced partial with bedsheets (rolled-up, as you described) and i was able to lose consciousness and felt numb and disoriented without the head-exploding feeling. in my attempts, i did lean forward and kneel. however, i did it without hesitation and just sort of sunk to the floor without stopping. i also pre-tightened the noose as much as i could before committing to the drop. i think these factors helped me lose consciousness - doing it in one fell swoop rather than easing into it and being reluctant. everything else you detailed in your post is definitely accurate in my experience.

Everyone is different, and I'm not saying these are hard and fast rules. Just general guidelines. Certainly many people have gotten all manner of positions, ligatures, etc., to work. You are correct and have arrived at the same conclusion that I did just from studying anecdotal reports here and in the hanging megathread - and it seems to be really important - that is most people who were at first having problems, and then went on to have success, seem to realize they needed to apply pressure quickly. I totally understand why people just want to ease in to it to see what it feels like, but it seems like this is working against you. Those people stated it only started working (close to passing out, no exploding head feeling) when they just kind of relaxed all of their muscles and sat in to it, or allowed all their weight to be applied quickly. Exactly as you stated.
 
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hell toupee

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your username is great :') thank you for the info, i attempted fsh today and failed to due to my si overwhelming me, but this info makes me feel more confident. I'm assuming knot goes behind the neck to keep chin toward ground? thank you for the info its reassuring
I think hanging seems like one of the best and most reliable methods if you cant get sn, and such a small amount of time spent suffering, the government cant take rope from us :,)

I will be using the knot in the back - that's generally how it's done.

I have a funny anecdote about knot position.

First, just a general warning to most people - AI can be hard to depend on. When you ask it a question, it simply scours the net and social media for answers and provides them to you. In no way, shape, or form does it EVALUATE those sources. So you could have people posting the wrong information on the net, Reddit, X, etc., and AI has no way of knowing whether or not the answers it's given you are valid. For that reason, I rarely use it, and when I do, I ask it to double check it's answer, and then I compare that to a different AI model (like ChatGPT and Grok).

Since they won't give you information about self harm anymore, I usually like to trick it. For example, I said I was taking a class that was studying execution methods, and went ahead and asked questions in that context. Or, when I was researching CO2, I simply made up a story that my elderly mother had bought a home soda machine and she is in the early stages of dementia and I was worried she would forget to turn off the CO2 canister when she was done using it. I then went on to ask questions about what happens, results, effects, % of CO2 needed to lose consciousness, etc.

I don't know if this was by design, or not. But when I was talking to AI (Grok) about hangings, it said that knot placement is best in the front of the neck. It even gave me a little table using knot placement and it stated that if you wanted a long, suffering hanging, without losing consciousness quickly, the knot would be in the back! It even said that most hangings are done this way (knot in front under chin) and that suicides usually instinctively put it in the front.

I said that doesn't make sense, every hanging I researched for class shows the knot in the back, not the front. It came back and did that thing where it goes "You're right. Sorry about that!" It then proceeded to tell me that optimal knot placement (to lose consciousness quickly) was on the side of the neck. Which is obviously wrong. And we went through the same song and dance of me saying that's not right, and it insisting it is correct. Finally, it came back and said something along the lines of "Your question includes material that might be used for self harm" and stopped responding to those questions.

What I'm wondering is if this was done that way on purpose. I don't know how realistic that would be because I'm not a programmer or AI expert, but it seems to me it was insisting on methods that absolutely won't work and will cause suffering 99% of the time. Maybe for self harm subjects, they purposely were programmed to give bad information so people seeking that info would not be successful? In my opinion, all that would be doing is promoting pain and suffering - imagine if someone read "knot in the front" as being gospel, and goes out and tries it and ends up suffocating and a terrorized panic.

TLDR Do NOT trust AI.
 
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setspiritfree

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this post is very informative and interesting to me. not to discredit what you said, but i've practiced partial with bedsheets (rolled-up, as you described) and i was able to lose consciousness and felt numb and disoriented without the head-exploding feeling. in my attempts, i did lean forward and kneel. however, i did it without hesitation and just sort of sunk to the floor without stopping. i also pre-tightened the noose as much as i could before committing to the drop. i think these factors helped me lose consciousness - doing it in one fell swoop rather than easing into it and being reluctant. everything else you detailed in your post is definitely accurate in my experience.
Thank you guys for this post. It is much appreciated.
 
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Breathing in CO2 is going to trigger your hypercapnic response, and it's going to be hard, or impossible, for you not to rip that bag off your head. I'm not convinced that loss of consciousness from ANY induced means withstands the hypercapnic response.
 
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Thank you guys for this post. It is much appreciated.
Hiw long does it take to lose consciousness from bedsheets and how thick did you roll them? I mean how many inches thick did they turn out to be

I'm wondering how it was ascertained that greater than 95% of all hangings bring unconsciousness in 5-15 seconds as most people are alone when they do it and those who are successful would be unable to report on the experience afterwards. Not trying to quell your confidence in the method, I'm just not sure how that statistic could have been arrived at.
From videos I think
 
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can you breathe while doing partial?
 
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can you breathe while doing partial?
If you do it right.. you will not be able to breathe or swallow, the ligature will close and penetrate the neck (due to your applied weight, the Arbor Knot will tighten itself) exerting pressure on all the structures of your neck (airway, jugular veins, carotid arteries...)

The dragging force due to gravity and the suspended body, will cause that the ligature under the jaw will push the base of the tongue upwards, blocking the passage of air.

 
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If you do it right.. you will not be able to breathe or swallow, the ligature will close and penetrate the neck (due to your applied weight, the Arbor Knot will tighten itself) exerting pressure on all the structures of your neck (airway, jugular veins, carotid arteries...)

The dragging force due to gravity and the suspended body, will cause that the ligature under the jaw will push the base of the tongue upwards, blocking the passage of air.

when i feel the pressure in my neck i just panic, but i hope practicing works as some kind of exposure to discomfort
 
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I know hanging is a method for a lot of people - it was my backup method should my primary method fail. I am contemplating switching my backup method from hanging to a 7-OH + alcohol OD that is used in conjunction with a 45 gallon plastic bag. According to calculations, a 45 gallon bag will allow normal breathing for 60-90 minutes before the CO2 rises to deadly levels. So the OD is simply to cause a loss of consciousness.

After what I researched, I may indeed stick with hanging, here's why.

Greater than 80% of all hangings (not including hanging as a state execution method) are partial hangings.

Here's what interested me the most - greater than 95% of all hangings, consciousness is lost immediately (5-15 seconds). Greater than 95% are really good odds. In the CTBs where consciousness was NOT lost immediately, was almost always due to the chosen rope or rope substitute - meaning it was too wide, or the head position was wrong (more on this below). You need something thin and hard. Not bedsheets, towels, or similar. If these are used, they need to be rolled up tightly.

Most celebrity hangings - Chester Bennington, Kate Spade, Robin Williams, Chris Cornell, etc. all died from partial. Robin Williams (belt) was actually in a seated position. Chester (belt) was on his knees, as well as Chris Cornell (elastic exercise band). Kate Spade used a scarf. All of these people had their feet flat on the ground.

Regarding head and rope position. In successful hangings, the rope is almost always placed at the top of the neck, just under the jaw. This is where the baroreceptors and vagus nerve on the carotid artery is located. These are what is responsible for immediate loss of consciousness.

Almost all successful hangings, which more than 80% are partial, are done with the chin pointed to the ground - this pushes out the carotids from the neck muscles and allows the ligature to positively occlude them, meaning instant loss of consciousness.

If you are unsuccessful in losing consciousness and are getting the exploding head feeling, this means only the jugulars are being compressed, blocking blood from draining out of the head. As the carotids continue to pump blood in to the head, resulting in the exploding head feeling, red spots all over your face (burst capillaries), blood shot eyes, etc. If this is the case, I would abort instantly. This exploding head feeling is telling you that the carotids are not occluded, and you would simply end up suffocating rather than losing consciousness quickly and CTB'ing peacefully.

This means either you are using too broad of a ligature (bedsheets, towels, etc), or your head is upright, or you aren't applying enough force. The partial positions where people are on their knees or similar and just "lean in to it", is most certainly not enough pressure. For myself, I would have to use partial because I am in a wheelchair, and am very limited in finding a high enough anchor point. If I go this route, I will use the partial position that results in 70-80% of your body weight being applied, which is the seated one, like you are sitting down with your butt in the air, and your legs stretched out in front of you. My heels will basically be the only thing touching the ground.
Can you clarify where and how i should put the rope pls? Im not saying ur bad at explaining but i dont understand things the first time
 
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No, it wasn't just a hunch, this was a statistic I read in a few different studies on hanging - I'll see if I can dig them up for you.'
Could you potentially link those studies? I'd be very interested to read them.
 
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