Discussion Instant Methods?

[Leichter Kampfwagen]

Besides firearms, are there any other instant methods? Ones that leave no time for regret and no ability to change your mind?

Examples I can think of:
Category 1: Instant (Best)
1. Firearms

Category 2: Irreversible/Mostly Irreversible (Okay)
1. Hanging
2. SN/Poison
3. Jumping

Category 3: Reversible (Worst)
1. Inert Gas

Looking ideally for an instant method that isn't firearms, as I would rather not have to buy a gun. I would rather not CTB with a category 2 as I would probably regret it and panic immediately after, which would be a not so fun experience, and I may even try to do something to save my life (not good). Even though insert gas seems like the least painful method, I would likely bail out. If there's a way to make inert gas irreversible I would also love to hear it.

Basically I want to have as little time between performing the critical action and my death/loss of consciousness. I've had a firearm, stood at a bridge, and had nitrogen for inert gas before, but I couldn't commit on any of them.

 

[Zerengin96]

There isnt one, even Nembutal takes a couple of minutes. Firearms are the closest, but its really hard to pull the trigger, i dont know if i could do it honestly

 

[Leichter Kampfwagen]

There isnt one, even Nembutal takes a couple of minutes. Firearms are the closest, but its really hard to pull the trigger, i dont know if i could do it honestly

Is it harder than consuming N/SN? I would imagine they're the same?

 

[Zerengin96]

Is it harder than consuming N/SN? I would imagine they're the same?

Depends on the individual i would say. For me personally, drinking some potion and then lying down seems way easier then pulling the trigger on a gun that will splatter my brain across the room, its a mental thing for me

 

[Leichter Kampfwagen]

Depends on the individual i would say. For me personally, drinking some potion and then lying down seems way easier then pulling the trigger on a gun that will splatter my brain across the room, its a mental thing for me

You don't think you will regret it inbetween the time you drink it and the time you die? Or do something stupid like call for help?

 

[Zerengin96]

You don't think you will regret it inbetween the time you drink it and the time you die? Or do something stupid like call for help?

Honestly no, i dont think i would have problems with that, but everyone is different in that regard. For some cbt by firearms or jumping is better because you cant change your mind after you commited to the act

 

[Leichter Kampfwagen]

Honestly no, i dont think i would have problems with that, but everyone is different in that regard. For some cbt by firearms or jumping is better because you cant change your mind after you commited to the act

Yeah, I don't think I'll ever be able to ctb with any method. Seems like I'm just cooked. I've wanted to die every day for the last 3 years and have had 3 chances with 3 methods and couldn't do any of them.

 

[Zerengin96]

Yeah, I don't think I'll ever be able to ctb with any method. Seems like I'm just cooked. I've wanted to die every day for the last 3 years and have had 3 chances with 3 methods and couldn't do any of them.

that sucks, may i ask which methods you tried?

 

[Leichter Kampfwagen]

that sucks, may i ask which methods you tried?

Well I didn't "try" any of them because I was too scared.

1. I had a nitrogen tank but no hood/bag, and I was going to run away with it but I literally fell asleep while waiting on my blanket to wash and woke up to a scenario where I no longer had possession of the tank.

2. I was standing at one of the top 10 highest bridges in America where I could literally just jump over the railing (it was like chest high) and I just couldn't do it. Now I live super far from any deathly bridge.

3. Held a gun in my hands, couldn't even point it at myself. Now all of my parents' guns are with an ex cop neighbor.

 

[Zerengin96]

Well I didn't "try" any of them because I was too scared.

1. I had a nitrogen tank but no hood/bag, and I was going to run away with it but I literally fell asleep while waiting on my blanket to wash and woke up to a scenario where I no longer had possession of the tank.

2. I was standing at one of the top 10 highest bridges in America where I could literally just jump over the railing (it was like chest high) and I just couldn't do it. Now I live super far from any deathly bridge.

3. Held a gun in my hands, couldn't even point it at myself. Now all of my parents' guns are with an ex cop neighbor.

Yeah i would never be able to go trough with those either, especially the last two. SN is my prefered method, but its incredibly hard to get nowadays where i am from without getting into legal trouble

 

[Forveleth]

Nuclear bomb should do it.

Why is jumping in category 2? Once you take the step your fate is sealed and death is pretty instant when you hit the ground. I would also put SN in category 3 as it is very reversible if you call for help and get treatment.

 

[Hiro Uchiha]

Just a thought, I don't know if I can do something to save myself if I swallowed cyanide or maybe after inhaling lethal H2S/HCN dose. Both are known to be quick in the right amount of doses. When you're trapped in a room, or car (or an exit bag) with lethal dose of H2S/HCN vapor, loss of consciousness can even be instant. So this would be my best bet.

 

[PI3.14]

IMO, it's not about the method being instant or not, it's about SI. Basically, if you can lower SI with drugs or something, then category 2 won't be bad anymore.

 

[Leichter Kampfwagen]

Nuclear bomb should do it.

Why is jumping in category 2? Once you take the step your fate is sealed and death is pretty instant when you hit the ground. I would also put SN in category 3 as it is very reversible if you call for help and get treatment.

I guess I'm cooked then

 

[socksnsandles]

Yeah i would never be able to go trough with those either, especially the last two. SN is my prefered method, but its incredibly hard to get nowadays where i am from without getting into legal trouble

ive heard KN is easier to get and just as lethal. thoughts?

 

[Forveleth]

I guess I'm cooked then

I am saying jumping should be up there with firearms. Why did you put it at 2?

 

[Zerengin96]

ive heard KN is easier to get and just as lethal. thoughts?

I need to look more into it, but from what i know, its about the same in terms of availability in germany. I do have a couple of sources for Sn but i am worried customs will seize it at the border and i get a welfare check, which means a huge fine or maybe even Jail in Germany.

 

[meowtistic]

Basically I want to have as little time between performing the critical action and my death/loss of consciousness. I've had a firearm, stood at a bridge, and had nitrogen for inert gas before, but I couldn't commit on any of them.

Though a firearm sounds good, SI can easily get in the way and make you miss your shot and fuck yourself up instead. I think the most instant would honestly be jumping, maybe go when you're a little buzzed or something so you aren't thinking as clearly? you want the HIGHEST building you can find. If it's high enough up your body will literally just explode on impact. you won't even have time to feel anything. It'll be seconds of air and it's over. I imagine the panic could be bad, that's why i would do it under the influence of something lol.

 

[Hiro Uchiha]

ive heard KN is easier to get and just as lethal. thoughts?

Just by the structure and chemistry of both salts, I don't see any reason for PN to not be a good candidate as SN substitute. Industrially, their use is practically the same. Once in the body, their mechanism is identical. Same, pathway, same symptoms, even same antidotes. There's virtually no detailed accounts of PN poisoning published by journals, but there is this one article on Potassium Nitrate poisoning which I will provide the link for. SN is more popular and accessible since it's been the industry standard for quite sometime now and it's reliability for its intended use is very consistent and reliable.

With that said, I still wouldn't use PN if it's the only thing that I have. I'm a science believer and there's just too little information about PN in terms of it's toxicity. Just because they have many similarities, I wouldn't assume that their lethal doses would also be.

Rapid-onset methemoglobinemia from traditional-medicine-induced potassium nitrate poisoning: successful treatment with methylene blue—a case report - Journal of Medical Case Reports

Background Potassium nitrate poisoning is a rare but potentially serious condition that can result in methemoglobinemia and subsequent cyanosis. This case report presents a unique instance of rapid-onset methemoglobinemia resulting from the ingestion of a traditional medicine preparation...

jmedicalcasereports.biomedcentral.com

 

[Leichter Kampfwagen]

I am saying jumping should be up there with firearms. Why did you put it at 2?

Because of the time between jumping and dying. Sounds horrendous and I would likely have regret.

IMO, it's not about the method being instant or not, it's about SI. Basically, if you can lower SI with drugs or something, then category 2 won't be bad anymore.

Do you mean like psychedelics or something?

Though a firearm sounds good, SI can easily get in the way and make you miss your shot and fuck yourself up instead. I think the most instant would honestly be jumping, maybe go when you're a little buzzed or something so you aren't thinking as clearly? you want the HIGHEST building you can find. If it's high enough up your body will literally just explode on impact. you won't even have time to feel anything. It'll be seconds of air and it's over. I imagine the panic could be bad, that's why i would do it under the influence of something lol.

I've never drank or done drugs besides ketamine in the dr's office

 

[socksnsandles]

thanks for sharing

 

[looking4partner]

There isnt one, even Nembutal takes a couple of minutes. Firearms are the closest, but its really hard to pull the trigger, i dont know if i could do it honestly

Why does it have to be so difficult? :(

Part of my reason is also because I'm stuck in fight-or-flight and so thinking about what could go wrong with the gun makes that worse

I think I also have OCD so now I am having obsessive intrusive visuals about it going wrong as well

I wish I lived in the country where N is sold so bad.

Depends on the individual i would say. For me personally, drinking some potion and then lying down seems way easier then pulling the trigger on a gun that will splatter my brain across the room, its a mental thing for me

So true Plus, I had thought N was known for being pretty peaceful.

Just a thought, I don't know if I can do something to save myself if I swallowed cyanide or maybe after inhaling lethal H2S/HCN dose. Both are known to be quick in the right amount of doses. When you're trapped in a room, or car (or an exit bag) with lethal dose of H2S/HCN vapor, loss of consciousness can even be instant. So this would be my best bet.

I saw that H2S is what Slash's stepdaughter used recently

IMO, it's not about the method being instant or not, it's about SI. Basically, if you can lower SI with drugs or something, then category 2 won't be bad anymore.

My disorders make me feel like I already am on drugs. In a bad trip type of way :(

They will probably make my symptoms worse.

I wasn't even able to try possible mental health treatments because the first one I tried is what caused this disorder after stopping it due to side effects :(

Nuclear bomb should do it.

Why is jumping in category 2? Once you take the step your fate is sealed and death is pretty instant when you hit the ground. I would also put SN in category 3 as it is very reversible if you call for help and get treatment.

I did hear of people becoming paralyzed instead of passing away.

And there are also stories of a few people who survived falls from heights that are not supposed to be survivable.

Because of the time between jumping and dying. Sounds horrendous and I would likely have regret.

Do you mean like psychedelics or something?

I've never drank or done drugs besides ketamine in the dr's office

Was the ketamine for mental health treatment & did it help?

I heard both that it causes dissociation & that it has cured some people's ideation.

 

[Leichter Kampfwagen]

Was the ketamine for mental health treatment & did it help?

I heard both that it causes dissociation & that it has cured some people's ideation.

The very first treatment worked but every one after didn't do anything. I was normal for like 3 months but now I'm back to wanting to die every day. Been doing it for like a year and a half. I guess I dissociate? But it's not bad, so maybe I don't, idk. Now I can basically decide how high I want to get with my mind. If I sit still and let my mind relax, I can get pretty high, but if I move around a little and keep thinking about something it doesn't have that much of an effect.

 

[Zerengin96]

Why does it have to be so difficult? :(

Part of my reason is also because I'm stuck in fight-or-flight and so thinking about what could go wrong with the gun makes that worse

I think I also have OCD so now I am having obsessive intrusive visuals about it going wrong as well

I wish I lived in the country where N is sold so bad.

So true Plus, I had thought N was known for being pretty peaceful.

I saw that H2S is what Slash's stepdaughter used recently

My disorders make me feel like I already am on drugs. In a bad trip type of way :(

They will probably make my symptoms worse.

I wasn't even able to try possible mental health treatments because the first one I tried is what caused this disorder after stopping it due to side effects :(

I did hear of people becoming paralyzed instead of passing away.

And there are also stories of a few people who survived falls from heights that are not supposed to be survivable.

Was the ketamine for mental health treatment & did it help?

I heard both that it causes dissociation & that it has cured some people's ideation.

N is very very peaceful, but it still takes like 3-5 minutes till you "go to sleep" forever so even that is not an instant method.

 

[madameviolette]

Why does it have to be so difficult? :(

Part of my reason is also because I'm stuck in fight-or-flight and so thinking about what could go wrong with the gun makes that worse

I think I also have OCD so now I am having obsessive intrusive visuals about it going wrong as well

I wish I lived in the country where N is sold so bad.

So true Plus, I had thought N was known for being pretty peaceful.

I saw that H2S is what Slash's stepdaughter used recently

My disorders make me feel like I already am on drugs. In a bad trip type of way :(

They will probably make my symptoms worse.

I wasn't even able to try possible mental health treatments because the first one I tried is what caused this disorder after stopping it due to side effects :(

I did hear of people becoming paralyzed instead of passing away.

And there are also stories of a few people who survived falls from heights that are not supposed to be survivable.

Was the ketamine for mental health treatment & did it help?

I heard both that it causes dissociation & that it has cured some people's ideation.

You also have akathisia, dyskinesia or dystonia ? :(

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

For some cbt by firearms or jumping is better because you cant change your mind after you commited to the act

Jumping is free and certain but HOLY SH1T ARE YOU KIDDING ME? IMPOSSIBLE

 

[traingirl]

Jumping is free and certain but HOLY SH1T ARE YOU KIDDING ME? IMPOSSIBLE

Wdym impossible?

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

Wdym impossible?

Way too scary

 

[traingirl]

Way too scary

I thought so too but I'm watching videos of people skydiving off the bridge I've picked out and oddly enough it comforted me.

 

[Sasha Swift]

I thought so too but I'm watching videos of people skydiving off the bridge I've picked out and oddly enough it comforted me.

It's completely different when you're actually standing there. At least for me. Do you not get that sinking feeling when you're somewhere high and actually think about it.

For me jumping is the one, can't imagine doing it some other way, but it do be scaawy.