Help Information about end of life clinic

[Deathisbetter]

What could be a convincing reason ? Could you please guide here. I can understand for older people but for someone in 50s how can I claim "completed life" without sounding mental...

It's rather dumb in my opinion wouldn't anyone requesting an assisted death sound mental anyway since society looks down on it and if you want to die it's always considered mental this world fucking sucks I don't understand why we have to gatekeep death and not allow it to the who are truly suffering FFS might as well commit suicide and traumatise people then

What could be a convincing reason ? Could you please guide here. I can understand for older people but for someone in 50s how can I claim "completed life" without sounding mental...

I hope your successful and also that your question gets answered :)

 

[doneforlife]

Hi. No.
And this also answers your question here: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/faking-tinnitus.100876/
With this mental illness I see absolutely no way to convince a psychiatrist, even if you really have tinnitus.

Please think for yourself. If you are only in your 50s, what would have to happen for you to say you are done with life?
Give me examples and I'll tell you how I feel about it.

Sure. Let me think. Give me some time ..

Sure. Let me think. Give me some time ..

Sorry I don't find any convincing reason. Any and every reason can be categorised under some or other mental illness.

Feeling disconnected with life..not deriving joy out of anything.. Anhedonia

Loneliness and no companionship.. Depression.

Not wanting to continue in a world of pain and suffering.. linked to some childhood trauma

Don't want to be dependent on others: join care facilities.

I am extremely satisfied with the way my life has shaped out and now I want to end it all before I enter old age: if you are satisfied, why do you want to end it before anything bad actually happens?

My life has shaped out to be pretty bad and I want to discontinue: back to depression.

Kindly help me..what could be a good reason.

 

[befree]

Ok, you have done your homework. You see how difficult it is. As you have already stated yourself, there is no single reason that could be recognized as a reason. What could be a good reason ? I don´t know you and your life. Even if I would tell you a reason (an idea), it would not be your reason and the psychiatrist would notice it. As a result you wouldn´t get approved, you would lose a lot of money and you would be very depressed. Maybe more depressed than now.

 

[shantyizlit]

This whole swiss thing really just sounds like a pipe-dream for now, but it's good that it's at least a thing in some places in the world and that it's happening, because that keeps the idea of a right to die alive and maybe future generations can realize more compassion towards those unfortunate souls that just want to leave this realm altogether.. something's better than nothing.

I've already accepted that it's practically impossible for me as a 25 year old that's been diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder to make this happen. I will need to find another way, hopefully just as peaceful as nembutal.

The whole process just seems daunting when I only really have the energy to do the things that I most want to do, if there's one thing I don't want right now it's to convince some pompous psychiatrist of why I should have the right to be killed. And then flying to switzerland to just wait and meet up with psychiatrists and saving up the money for all this and.. you know what fuck that.
There would be so much less SI if there was a reliably peaceful method executed by a professional. But a man can only dream.. for now I hope for all future generations.

 

[doneforlife]

Ok, you have done your homework. You see how difficult it is. As you have already stated yourself, there is no single reason that could be recognized as a reason. What could be a good reason ? I don´t know you and your life. Even if I would tell you a reason (an idea), it would not be your reason and the psychiatrist would notice it. As a result you wouldn´t get approved, you would lose a lot of money and you would be very depressed. Maybe more depressed than now.

It's a pretty sad state of affairs honestly. You can still give some idea and I totally understand this will not help me but atleast I will know.

Is there any hope for sarco ? Can it de- medicalize VAD?

 

[doneforlife]

Hi. No.
And this also answers your question here: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/faking-tinnitus.100876/
With this mental illness I see absolutely no way to convince a psychiatrist, even if you really have tinnitus.

Please think for yourself. If you are only in your 50s, what would have to happen for you to say you are done with life?
Give me examples and I'll tell you how I feel about it.

Could you help me file an application though? Can I PM you and explain my condition and can you please confirm if I have a shot at it?

 

[befree]

doneforlife, I have spent a lot of time explaining that with your mental health problems or as a healthy person with the reason "Completed life" you have no chance to be approved. If you send in an application, you have to pay CHF5.000,- deposit for processing your application. I´m sure you would also have to see a psychiatrist in Switzerland. This will cost an additional appr. CHF1.200,- to 1.500. If your application is not approved, you will lose a lot of money, because you will get back only a part of the CHF5,000 and the costs for the psychiatrist will not be reimbursed at all. Do you really think it´s worth it ?

 

[doneforlife]

doneforlife, I have spent a lot of time explaining that with your mental health problems or as a healthy person with the reason "Completed life" you have no chance to be approved. If you send in an application, you have to pay CHF5.000,- deposit for processing your application. I´m sure you would also have to see a psychiatrist in Switzerland. This will cost an additional appr. CHF1.200,- to 1.500. If your application is not approved, you will lose a lot of money, because you will get back only a part of the CHF5,000 and the costs for the psychiatrist will not be reimbursed at all. Do you really think it´s worth it ?

Thanks befree . No I am not a healthy person. I don't have terminal illness but still I have physical health issues. I wanted to know if these issues are good enough to get the green signal. If not now immediately, at some later point at least ? Can I be a member in exchange for getting VAD. Mentally I am fine. Bit of a germophobe. Have contamination issues but I won't bring it up.

 

[befree]

Thanks befree . No I am not a healthy person. I don't have terminal illness but still I have physical health issues. I wanted to know if these issues are good enough to get the green signal. If not now immediately, at some later point at least ? Can I be a member in exchange for getting VAD. Mentally I am fine. Bit of a germophobe. Have contamination issues but I won't bring it up.

I think we have a misunderstanding. You were only talking about "completed life". And also in your "homework" ;-) you said nothing about a physical illness.

Sarco: I don´t know if and when it will be available. But basically using the SCBA or SCUBA method has the same effect.

 

[doneforlife]

I think we have a misunderstanding. You were only talking about "completed life". And also in your "homework" ;-) you said nothing about a physical illness.

Sarco: I don´t know if and when it will be available. But basically using the SCBA or SCUBA method has the same effect.

Sorry if I confused you. Because the initial thread started with Anton Fier , and as per media his reasons were "completed life". Since my physical illness is not terminal, I thought I shall not be allowed cause of my illness so can I just say "completed life" and get it done.

Also , I have another query. Kindly help me. The application that you are speaking of , I can apply it from anywhere online or should I be physically present in SZL ?

I shall google for SCBA / SCUBA method.

 

[befree]

Also , I have another query. Kindly help me. The application that you are speaking of , I can apply it from anywhere online or should I be physically present in SZL ?

I shall google for SCBA / SCUBA method.

All 7 associations have websites where you can read all the information about the conditions, costs and the application process.
This is something that annoys me. I write in several threads always the same, because members don´t read the websites of the associations.

To answer your question: How you apply depends on which association you choose, online, letter, fax... . So you don´t have to go there.

No, you don´t have to use google.

How to inhale Nitrogen gas from Clinder?

I bought Nitrogen Cylinder and regulator, but how to inhale pure nitrogen, like which mask/connector pipe I do need buy? Exit bag I am not sure what it is and its not available in India. Someone please help me to CTB by using N cylinder

sanctioned-suicide.net

Exit bag and inert gas megathread

@rejected and @Archieozias got their cylinders at AirGas.

sanctioned-suicide.net

This is just a general information. I do not encourage you to commit suicide and to use these methods. You act on your own responsibility.

 

[doneforlife]

All 7 associations have websites where you can read all the information about the conditions, costs and the application process.
This is something that annoys me. I write in several threads always the same, because members don´t read the websites of the associations.

To answer your question: How you apply depends on which association you choose, online, letter, fax... . So you don´t have to go there.

No, you don´t have to use google.

How to inhale Nitrogen gas from Clinder?

I bought Nitrogen Cylinder and regulator, but how to inhale pure nitrogen, like which mask/connector pipe I do need buy? Exit bag I am not sure what it is and its not available in India. Someone please help me to CTB by using N cylinder

sanctioned-suicide.net

Exit bag and inert gas megathread

@rejected and @Archieozias got their cylinders at AirGas.

sanctioned-suicide.net

This is just a general information. I do not encourage you to commit suicide and to use these methods. You act on your own responsibility.

Sorry for annoying. Yes , I have gone through Pegasos website. I had few queries but I shall mail them and see if I get a reply.

Thanks for the links.

 

[befree]

That one is no longer taking application as of 2022. She seems nice, but oh well.

This information is wrong. I checked it today. Lifecircle is still in business and accepts applications. https://www.lifecircle.ch/en/?no_cache=1
Can you please explain what you mean by "but oh well"

I had few queries but I shall mail them and see if I get a reply.

What are the queries, if I may ask ? It can take weeks to get a response from Pegasos and often they don't respond at all.

 

[doneforlife]

What are the queries, if I may ask ? It can take weeks to get a response from Pegasos and often they don't respond at all.

Birth certificate:

• Must be re-issued in the last 6 months prior to your VAD date

What does this mean? In my country, Birth certificate is issued only once.

The total cost is CHF10000. The website says it includes everything. Does this also include 2 weeks stay (which is made mandate in Swiss law , that one has to be evaluated by 2 doctors over a gap of 2 weeks)

One can apply VAD online by logging in to their site. So once applied, what is the next step? Shall my application be evaluated and post green signal, I shall travel to SZL , or I shall have to immediately travel once applied.

Thanks in advance.

 

[befree]

Must be re-issued in the last 6 months prior to your VAD date

They want a copy of the birth certificate, re-issued in the last 6 months prior to your VAD date. So you have to go to the authority and apply for it.

Does this also include 2 weeks stay (which is made mandate in Swiss law , that one has to be evaluated by 2 doctors over a gap of 2 weeks)

No, this does not include hotel and travel expenses. And you don´t have to stay there for 2 weeks. You can go home and come back for the 2nd appointment.

After you uploaded your application, all medical records and documents on their website, you will get a confirmation. After that you pay CHF5.000,- deposit.

After that you have to wait. If they need further documents or if they have questions, they will contact you.

You are talking about Pegasos, right?

 

[doneforlife]

They want a copy of the birth certificate, re-issued in the last 6 months prior to your VAD date. So you have to go to the authority and apply for it.

No, this does not include hotel and travel expenses. And you don´t have to stay there for 2 weeks. You can go home and come back for the 2nd appointment.

After you uploaded your application, all medical records and documents on their website, you will get a confirmation. After that you pay CHF5.000,- deposit.

After that you have to wait. If they need further documents or if they have questions, they will contact you.

You are talking about Pegasos, right?

Yes , these details are from Pegasos website.

Ok , in my country , birth certificate doesn't have an issuing date.

 

[befree]

Yes , these details are from Pegasos website.

Ok , in my country , birth certificate doesn't have an issuing date.

There is not only Pegasos.

 

[doneforlife]

There is not only Pegasos.

Yes. I have not checked other clinics in detail. I will have to check them. I was just confused about the birth certificate.

 

[befree]

doneforlife,
after our private chat, I want to make one thing clear again.

This is what I wrote to you at the beginning:

"I can not confirm or guarantee that you would be approved for VAD. I would just tell you my opinion based on my experience. I´m not responsible if your application is rejected. Do you accept this?"

But then you expect me to confirm that you are accepted for VAD when you have all medical records and diagnoses. That's not how it works. I'm happy to help you with any questions on the forum. But I´m not in a position to give you the guarantees you expect. I can never give any guarantees.
The doctors and lawyers of the VAD association will decide if you will be accepted for VAD, not me.

 

[doneforlife]

Yes. I have not checked other clinics in detail. I will have to check them. I was just confused about the birth certificate.

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doneforlife,
after our private chat, I want to make one thing clear again.

This is what I wrote to you at the beginning:

"I can not confirm or guarantee that you would be approved for VAD. I would just tell you my opinion based on my experience. I´m not responsible if your application is rejected. Do you accept this?"

But then you expect me to confirm that you are accepted for VAD when you have all medical records and diagnoses. That's not how it works. I'm happy to help you with any questions on the forum. But I´m not in a position to give you the guarantees you expect. I can never give any guarantees.
The doctors and lawyers of the VAD association will decide if you will be accepted for VAD, not me.

I have already replied, request to kindly have a look at the private conversation.

Having stated that, I am again stating here , I fully understand that you can't give confirmation and I am ok with it. I am just asking for your feedback based on your experience.. nothing beyond that.

 

[befree]

I have already replied, request to kindly have a look at the private conversation.

I left our private conversation for two reason. One reason I already mentioned in the forum. The second reason is that you started a new chat for each sentence. When I leave a private conversation, nobody can send me a PM anymore, because I limit PM. So I don't know what else you wrote to me after I left the conversation.

Give me some time and I will write you some general info that is important for the application. I already mentioned some in the conversation.

 

[doneforlife]

I left our private conversation for two reason. One reason I already mentioned in the forum. The second reason is that you started a new chat for each sentence. When I leave a private conversation, nobody can send me a PM anymore, because I limit PM. So I don't know what else you wrote to me after I left the conversation.

Give me some time and I will write you some general info that is important for the application. I already mentioned some in the conversation.

I initiated a new chat to let you know that I am not looking for confirmation from your end. And the reason I did it is because the portal was throwing an error message and I was unable to post the same in the ongoing conversation. Not that I initiated a new chat with every sentence . I am new here and getting used to this interface and if there were new chats initiated with every sentence, I would like to apologise. Appreciate your patience. Kindly bear with me.

 

[Deathisbetter]

I know how you feel man! same :(

This whole swiss thing really just sounds like a pipe-dream for now, but it's good that it's at least a thing in some places in the world and that it's happening, because that keeps the idea of a right to die alive and maybe future generations can realize more compassion towards those unfortunate souls that just want to leave this realm altogether.. something's better than nothing.

I've already accepted that it's practically impossible for me as a 25 year old that's been diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder to make this happen. I will need to find another way, hopefully just as peaceful as nembutal.

The whole process just seems daunting when I only really have the energy to do the things that I most want to do, if there's one thing I don't want right now it's to convince some pompous psychiatrist of why I should have the right to be killed. And then flying to switzerland to just wait and meet up with psychiatrists and saving up the money for all this and.. you know what fuck that.
There would be so much less SI if there was a reliably peaceful method executed by a professional. But a man can only dream.. for now I hope for all future generations.

 

[befree]

General information for the VAD application​

For the VAD application you need:

- exact diagnosis
- medical records chronologically from the beginning until today
- laboratory results
- X-rays
- certificates
- records of previous therapies

It´s not enough to name symptoms (e.g. my joints hurt, I can´t sleep, my stomache hurts...).

Questions:

Do you know the reason for your illness ? Did something happen ? Was there an accident ?
Why don't you feel good ?
What symptoms do you have ?
How does your illness affect your daily life?

Were previous therapies successful ?
Have the symptoms improved ?
Has the condition worsened ?
What is the prognosis according to the doctor ?
Are there further therapies available ?
Are there any therapies you have refused or could not pay for?
Are you able to work?

Write the answers to these questions in your application.

If you are unsure if you could be accepted, email the association before sending in an application.
When you send in the application, you have to pay the deposit !

Ask in a few words: I suffer from the diagnosis XXXXXXX (the exact diagnosis, not only symptoms !).

Could you please let me know if I would have a chance to be accepted for VAD in general ?

Do not write too much. Ask all your questions in one mail !

 

[doneforlife]

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General information for the VAD application​

For the VAD application you need:

- exact diagnoses
- medical records chronologically from the beginning until today
- laboratory tests
- X-rays
- certificates
- records of previous therapies

It´s not enough to name symptoms (e.g. my joints hurt, I can´t sleep, my stomache hurts...).

Questions:

Do you know the reason for your illness ? Did something happen ? Was there an accident ?
Why don't you feel good ?
What symptoms do you have ?
How does your illness affect your daily life?

Were previous therapies successful ?
Have the symptoms improved ?
Has the condition worsened ?
What is the prognosis according to the doctor ?
Are there further therapies available ?
Are there any therapies you have refused or could not pay for?
Are you able to work?

Write the answers to these questions in your application.

If you are unsure if you could be accepted, email the association before sending in an application.
When you send in the application, you have to pay the deposit !

Ask in a few words: I suffer from the diagnosis (the exact diagnosis, not only symptoms !) XXXXXXX.

Could you please let me know if I would have a chance to be accepted for VAD in general ?

Do not write too much. Ask all your questions in one mail !

Thanks! Yeah it's a pretty difficult process indeed !

I know how you feel man! same :(

I understand the frustration. While bringing a life , there is no licence needed , no interviews, no requirements but while leaving a life , there is so much of restriction. It is indeed a sad state of affairs.

 

[MyChoiceAlone]

General information for the VAD application​

For the VAD application you need:

- exact diagnosis
- medical records chronologically from the beginning until today
- laboratory results
- X-rays
- certificates
- records of previous therapies

It´s not enough to name symptoms (e.g. my joints hurt, I can´t sleep, my stomache hurts...).

Questions:

Do you know the reason for your illness ? Did something happen ? Was there an accident ?
Why don't you feel good ?
What symptoms do you have ?
How does your illness affect your daily life?

Were previous therapies successful ?
Have the symptoms improved ?
Has the condition worsened ?
What is the prognosis according to the doctor ?
Are there further therapies available ?
Are there any therapies you have refused or could not pay for?
Are you able to work?

Write the answers to these questions in your application.

If you are unsure if you could be accepted, email the association before sending in an application.
When you send in the application, you have to pay the deposit !

Ask in a few words: I suffer from the diagnosis XXXXXXX (the exact diagnosis, not only symptoms !).

Could you please let me know if I would have a chance to be accepted for VAD in general ?

Do not write too much. Ask all your questions in one mail !

i don't understand. if you don't need to be terminally ill, why are they asking for medical records (which i don't have). i have rarely needed to go to the hospital and even then, it was for minor things. also, isn't pegasos the only place that accepts foreigners?

 

[befree]

There are 3 cathegories:

1. completed life > no medical records required (because you are a healthy person at a certain age)
2. physical illness > medical records and exact dignosis required
3. mental illness > medical records and opinion of an independent Swiss psychiatrist required - very long process+higher costs - very low chance

Terminal illness does not mean you will die. It can be any physical illness that you suffer from.

Mental illness is very complex. You can have depression for years, but be mentally healthy enough to be judgmental.

For foreigners: Lifecircle, Eternal Spirit (cooperate with Lifecircle), Dignitas, Pegasos, Ex-International (not Exit !).

 

[RiverFlow]

This information is wrong. I checked it today. Lifecircle is still in business and accepts applications. https://www.lifecircle.ch/en/?no_cache=1
Can you please explain what you mean by "but oh well"

What are the queries, if I may ask ? It can take weeks to get a response from Pegasos and often they don't respond at all.

Why do you think they don't respond? I've noticed this

 

[befree]

Why do you think they don't respond? I've noticed this

In all the years I have been helping people with their applications, there has never been a single case of an association not responding.
Maybe they won't respond if you send 10 emails with questions before your application, to which you can find answers on their website.
This I would even understand. That's why I said send one email with all your questions before you apply.

 

[befree]

Update:

According to the latest information, it has now unfortunately been confirmed that Lifecircle is no longer accepting new members.
So only VAD applications from existing members will be accepted. I´m very sad about this because I know Lifecircle has done a wonderful job.