Incellular Posts

[Julgran]

Throughout this fucking thread people have just deliberately avoided the single fundamental point of it.

POST: "there's a lot of misogynistic language being tolerated on here can it stop"

THE REPLIES:

* do u not think men r valid
* have u seen the murder stats tho
* what about this advert for razors
* are you banning men
* this is censorship
* more men ctb according to this pie chart so misogyny should be therefore tolerated
* why don't u try 2 understand the misogynist rather than lecture them, this is exactly what l mean by Cancel Culture!!!!
* this is left wing politics
* the issue of misogyny needs to be viewed sensibly and through a prism of neutrality and nuance, btw yes I am an incel
* misogyny where? I haven't seen any misogyny, maybe you should provide evidence so l can personally discount it as misogynistic according to my own chauvinism

I mean ffs, this thread in itself is just fucking embarrassing, to repeat for the umpteenth time, nobody is suggesting suicidal men should be booted, just that misogynistic language should not be tolerated, there's a distinction which you are deliberately misunderstanding.

Then we agree - if you are honest about your intentions, which isn't always clear, since you have a bit of a sarcastic demeanor about you, which someone else basically pointed out the other day.

Have a good day/evening/night!

 

[Chinaski]

you have a bit of a sarcastic demeanor about you, which someone else basically pointed out the other day.

I don't recall this but hey if someone else on here said it l guess it must be true!

 

[goldenvirginia]

I couldn't agree with you more @Chinaski It is a total fucking embarrassment. The unwillingness to even acknowledge the issue is quite frankly appalling.

 

[ScaredToLive]

I can't beleive someone got offended by a fucking Gillette advert. Yikes. The very thing you claim to hate, the label of "toxic masculinity" is actually the precise thing driving male suicide rates. Either way, what generally happens when misogynistic incel posts proliferate a forum, it drives people a way and they take over. I'm aware of the founders history and it's always made me uncomfortable. This should be the ONE place where gay, straight, male, female, trans, black,white, Asian people should be able to come with absolutely no prejudices against them.

 

[Chinaski]

I can't beleive someone got offended by a fucking Gillette advert. Yikes.

I wish the woke warriors with their cultural marxism and the feminazis with their cancel culture would stop trying to deny me my right to free speech just because some snowflakes got triggered, also here's me absolutely losing my shit over a television commercial.

 

[ScaredToLive]

I wish the woke warriors with their cultural marxism and the feminazis with their cancel culture would stop trying to deny me my right to free speech just because some snowflakes got triggered, also here's me absolutely losing my shit over a television commercial.

It's absolutely insane. I'd forgotten that advert even existed, that's the effect it had on my psyche. Crazy.

 

[Chinaski]

It's absolutely insane. I'd forgotten that advert even existed, that's the effect it had on my psyche. Crazy.

Tbf my highlight from the thread was "if you're too sensitive for [misogynistic shit] maybe this website isn't for you", like yeah that's the point, if that's to be a dominant culture here then suicidal people are going to decide this website *is not for them*.

 

[noname223]

The thread didn't require "neutrality" which only serves to give a tacit pass to the language being discussed here - also the thread is not about whether incels are just misunderstood, lovely guys really, the odd mass shooter gives them a bad name, let's all try and understand, etc etc - it was about how some posts on this forum contain objectively offensive content which is given a free pass each time.

You might be right I could have been more critical about incels. If it is true what wikipedia writes I really don't like their ideology. However I did not read many posts in this thread. Maybe some of my arguments are already falsified. And I am really not an expert about incels. I barely know anything and I never spoke to an incel about their point of view.

Due to this 2 facts I tried to be more reluctant to criticize them strongly. Of course another reason is probably because I did not want to offend many on here. I don't want to have many arguments on here. I need this place without having to do deal with this stress.

If it is true what wikipedia writes I think their ideology is very dangerous. And absolutely goes against my values. It contradicts my understanding of human rights. Seemingly there is even a link between shooters and incels. But on the other hand I cannot really judge about this evaluation due to the reasons above.

 

[OceanBlue]

I would like to see you and other misogynists removed from this forum, that thread should not have been deleted.

 

[Julgran]

I would like to see you and other misogynists removed from this forum, that thread should not have been deleted.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but I'm wondering what you find misogynistic about what I have written.

 

[Chinaski]

I would like to see you and other misogynists removed from this forum, that thread should not have been deleted.

Incidentally, why *was* that thread started by a torture enthusiast detailing news reports on violence against women (purely in an advisory context ofc), which later incorporated a misogyny manifesto, then a *nuanced* call from, coincidentally, the same people in this thread for those offended by it to be quiet, eventually deleted?

You are entitled to your own opinion, but I'm wondering what you find misogynistic about what I have written.

You were literally in another thread just now lecturing people offended by overt and unambiguous misogyny contained within, that in itself is misogynistic, but thankfully for you that thread was deleted so all those who spewed shit within have had their reputations conveniently laundered.

 

[Chinaski]

I don't know why that thread was started in the first place, since I personally pointed out a few flaws in one of the mentioned articles.

Do you call what someone in that thread wrote, misogynistic? I see what they wrote as a fair take on Feminism, which, if so, is a political point that they made - rather than a specific take on women.

As for myself, I don't believe that women need Feminism, since Feminists tell women that they can never achieve anything without it, and to always be afraid if it doesn't look over their shoulders. It can be said that Feminism is like a religious cult, or a corrupt worker's union, or a white supremacist group that tries to recruit people - they all prey on the weak and use legitimate concerns - women's problems, for example - to hire new recruits.

In the end I mean that Feminism doesn't have monopoly on women's concerns - they are valid without Feminism.

Yes it was absolutely and unambiguously misogynistic, he stated (and l can't quote directly, it having been conveniently deleted) that all women are untrustworthy snakes, they are all ultimately dangerous to men, we are all being engineered away from this crucial truth. Unless you are a complete and utter fucking ignoramus, which l acknowledge is entirely possible, this is clearly misogyny - yet you chose to weigh in to defend it.

 

[OceanBlue]

The mod undeleted the other thread. Thank you.

 

[Julgran]

Yes it was absolutely and unambiguously misogynistic, he stated (and l can't quote directly, it having been conveniently deleted) that all women are untrustworthy snakes, they are all ultimately dangerous to men, we are all being engineered away from this crucial truth. Unless you are a complete and utter fucking ignoramus, which l acknowledge is entirely possible, this is clearly misogyny - yet you chose to weigh in to defend it.

You are not giving any justice to what that user wrote - he or she didn't write that, and you know it.

 

[Chinaski]

And what if I don't hate women but you're destined to be alone? Automatically puts me in the Incel hate group for no reason.

You are doing just what you don't want to be done by you people. If ince's should be banned for being such, why should you not be locked up for being suicidal? You're just doing the same thing to incels that prolifers are doing to you.

We aren't locked up yet, neither put in prison fir long, but oh we are gonna get to that eventually. Swallow the toxic masculinity pill now, kill the cum for it destroys the world, save the vagina.

At least revise the word. Incelibate means I voluntarily never mate. Whose business is that but mine alone and why would I be dangerous?

I have a revised word for feminists, however - male pussies.

This post is breathtakingly obnoxious and absolutely beneath contempt, you should be seriously embarrassed by this tbqhwy.

 

[Sanva]

And what if I don't hate women but you're destined to be alone? Automatically puts me in the Incel hate group for no reason.

but it doesn't. blaming all your problems on women & hating all women because some of them didn't want to fuck you puts you in the incel hate group, nothing else.

 

[Amumu]

You are entitled to your own opinion, but I'm wondering what you find misogynistic about what I have written.

Absolutely nothing, you literally say men and women are equally as valuable, but they're completely hypocritical.

See just above "They are equally as valuable, in completely different ways".

Blahblahblah we're self-righteous sarcastic people.

 

[Julgran]

Absolutely nothing, you literally say men and women are equally as valuable, but they're completely hypocritical.

See just above "They are equally as valuable, in completely different ways".

I don't understand what you mean. Could you clarify, please?

 

[Amumu]

I don't understand what you mean. Could you clarify, please?

Honestly no, I'm too drunk for that

 

[Chinaski]

You are not giving any justice to what that user wrote - he or she didn't write that, and you know it.

Okay well his post has been deleted but there's a section quoted here :

Post in thread 'Ladies, Please Be Careful' https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/ladies-please-be-careful.82047/post-1487458

If you're going to defend that it's up to you, but everyone will see you doing it and will come to their own conclusions as to where you stand and what kind of person you are.

The mod undeleted the other thread. Thank you.

Great to see nobody has been Silenced and Free Speech has been restored!!!!

 

[OceanBlue]

As for myself, I don't believe that women need Feminism, since Feminists tell women that they can never achieve anything without it, and to always be afraid if it doesn't look over their shoulders. It can be said that Feminism is like a religious cult, or a corrupt worker's union, or a white supremacist group that tries to recruit people - they all prey on the weak and use legitimate concerns - women's problems, for example - to hire new recruits.

In the end, I mean that Feminism doesn't have monopoly on women's concerns - they are valid without Feminism.

Oh my god.

 

[Julgran]

Okay well his post has been deleted but there's a section quoted here :

Post in thread 'Ladies, Please Be Careful' https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/ladies-please-be-careful.82047/post-1487458

If you're going to defend that it's up to you, but everyone will see you doing it and will come to their own conclusions as to where you stand and what kind of person you are.

What you write here is true, and obvious. Again, I never see you adding anything to any discusion that's valuable.

Oh my god.

You don't have to agree - if we agree to disagree.

 

[Chinaski]

What you write here is true, and obvious. Again, I never see you adding anything to any discusion that's valuable.



You don't have to agree - if we agree to disagree.

Agree to disagree on what constitutes misogyny? Are you fucking for real?

 

[callme]

This post is breathtakingly obnoxious and absolutely beneath contempt, you should be seriously embarrassed by this tbqhwy.

I am! That's a major reason why I am suicidal! I know for sure by doing so I'll have done you and all others a service and I a starting to feel good about it.

Seriously embarrassed as a man or as somebody suicidal? I don't play the participation in society game anyway, so what I think and say has no consequence. Nobody depends on me. I even admit to not being a real man freely. Should I bend over more for feminists? Maybe start polishing my nails?

but it doesn't. blaming all your problems on women & hating all women because some of them didn't want to fuck you puts you in the incel hate group, nothing else.

It does. Everybody talk over each other's head. Now it turns out I have done what you say I have regardless of if it's true. I've never even looked at by a woman, let alone talked to one. Childhood isolation never turned into anything else. At 26 I am equally alone and unwanted as when 6.

It is something else, there is. A personal agenda on behalf of a powerful and loud enough majority of people, or whatever it is. Otherwise this ethical issue would've never come to what it is. It's an ethical issue. I don't put emasculated guys in the same category as Al Qaeda at first reading, but I am wrong, apparently.

 

[Julgran]

Agree to disagree on what constitutes misogyny? Are you fucking for real?

I'm real, but I'm wondering if you are, since you never present anything concrete to discuss.

This debate ends here, as well, if you don't have anything solid to talk about.

 

[Chinaski]

I'm real, but I'm wondering if you are, since you never present anything concrete to discuss.

This debate ends here, as well, if you don't have anything solid to talk about.

Everyone on here can see this and read this entire thread, they can read every interaction we've had and make up their own minds, and on that basis I'd be minded to wind in the supercilious bullshit if l were you.

 

[Julgran]

Everyone on here can see this and read this entire thread, they can read every interaction we've had and make up their own minds, and on that basis I'd be minded to wind in the supercilious bullshit if l were you.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

If it's of any concern of yours, I have female colleagues and a female manager, all of which I respect and work together with without problems, so again, what I have written about Feminism doesn't concern women who don't believe in Feminism.

 

[Sanva]

It does. Everybody talk over each other's head. Now it turns out I have done what you say I have regardless of if it's true. I've never even looked at by a woman, let alone talked to one. Childhood isolation never turned into anything else. At 26 I am equally alone and unwanted as when 6.

It is something else, there is. A personal agenda on behalf of a powerful and loud enough majority of people, or whatever it is. Otherwise this ethical issue would've never come to what it is. It's an ethical issue. I don't put emasculated guys in the same category as Al Qaeda at first reading, but I am wrong, apparently.

I never said that though. All I said is you're only an incel if you hate women. I completely empathize with feeling unwanted and lonely.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

If it's of any concern of yours, I have female colleagues and a female manager, all of which I respect and work together with without problems, so again, what I have written about Feminism doesn't concern women who don't believe in Feminism.

"I have a black friend so I can't be racist"

 

[Sanva]

Sure, but I'm not even sure that I would agree with the first two waves of Feminism, since they seem to have attributed any wrongs that may have befallen women back then, to men, which is strange, to say the least - but as I said earlier, you and I should probably just agree to disagree with those who choose to believe in Feminism, because it is a choice, after all.

if you don't think women should have rights, you hate women. that's it.

 

[Interloper]

That's a common misconception, that incel = hatred for women, which leads to misunderstandings or the outright vilification of certain people.

But it's those kinds of people that took that word and made it their own; so why would anyone willingly call themselves an incel now? That's what I just can't understand, it's like painting a big target on your forehead. What happened to just using 'virgin'?