Incellular Posts

[BeansOfRequirement]

No, but men are labeled as "Toxicly manly" for pointing out the hypocrisy when it comes to male/female relations. My remark about being "toxicly manly" wasn't about joining the army - but, rather, that there's no reason for a man to join any army, since we aren't treated as human beings in today's society, so we have no reason to give our lives to our respective countries.

Some examples of being "toxicly manly" are exemplified in Gillette's commercial from a couple of years ago. The "toxic masculinity" concept has seeped into our culture, so it's not always apparent. Here is the Gillette commercial:



With this example, I want to highlight two situations in Gillette's commercial - namely, that it's not accepted to say "Boys will be boys" and to have rough play, or to approach women. Don't you think that it's offensive for men to see such commercials, and don't you think that this kind of commercial breeds resentment among men towards society at large?

You seem to have joined the dark side since we last spoke.

 

[Chinaski]

No, but men are labeled as "Toxicly manly" for pointing out the hypocrisy when it comes to male/female relations. My remark about being "toxicly manly" wasn't about joining the army - but, rather, that there's no reason for a man to join any army, since we aren't treated as human beings in today's society, so we have no reason to give our lives to our respective countries.

Some examples of being "toxicly manly" are exemplified in Gillette's commercial from a couple of years ago. The "toxic masculinity" concept has seeped into our culture, so it's not always apparent. Here is the Gillette commercial:



With this example, I want to highlight two situations in Gillette's commercial - namely, that it's not accepted to say "Boys will be boys" and to have rough play, or to approach women. Don't you think that it's offensive for men to see such commercials, and don't you think that this kind of commercial breeds resentment among men towards society at large?

Nothing in that advert is harmful, if anything it's a heavy-handed and cringeworthy attempt by a masculine brand to appeal to a younger generation who are probably less inclined to buy into the machismo Gillette traditionally present in their advertising.

It's just a brand trying to sell shit, women have had decades of seeing themselves presented as either dutiful housewives or sex objects in advertising, just buy a different razor imo.

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

I'm just trying to point out that people shouldn't be surprised when they see their society crumble, because they chased away their men with the "toxic masculinity" slogan.

Think this is a very small part of a societal collapse, lol.

 

[Julgran]

Nothing in that advert is harmful, if anything it's a heavy-handed and cringeworthy attempt by a masculine brand to appeal to a younger generation who are probably less inclined to buy into the machismo Gillette traditionally present in their advertising.

It's just a brand trying to sell shit, women have had decades of seeing themselves presented as either dutiful housewives or sex objects in advertising, just buy a different razor imo.

About the Gillette commercial, I agree that it's intended to appeal to a younger generation, but then the question becomes what has influenced the younger generation in the first place, to make them like this commercial. The anti-male rhetoric today is all-encompassing, and is not limited to this commerical.

Yes, a part of women's worth to men is their looks, and so are men's worth to women. Also, if a woman finds herself to not be seen as anything other than a sex object to her man, she should realize that she has chosen the wrong man. What is the point of this statement?

Being a housewife in the oldendays was a luxury afforded only to the families in which the man earned enough for the woman to stay home. What's your point? Again, this is a left/right-wing subject, since right-wing women tend to want to stay at home and raise a family, or work part-time.

My point was not to say that only men have problems, so I want to stress that women also have their own problems, but men have to be respected, too, even if they don't act the same way as women.

Think this is a very small part of a societal collapse, lol.

Sure - there are many factors that play into an eventual societal collapse.

 

[GentleJerk]

if one group catches the bus more than the other, they must be facing more hardships

Statistics show, rather, than being a man is harder in the 1st world.

Not true. Also, when did it become a competition?

 

[Julgran]

Not true. Also, when did it become a competition?

I would think that Whatevs is a man, which is the reason for their comments. I think that both men and women see their own particular issues as being worse than the other, which could be part of the divide that we see between men and women today. It's hard to say with side's issues are more troublesome, which I also think leads to an unnecessary debate, and I also think that we don't need to see men's/women's issues as a competition - both sides have their own, legitimate issues

No one wins in the end, anyway, since we all will be dead within 100 years.

 

[Chinaski]

About the Gillette commercial, I agree that it's intended to appeal to a younger generation, but then the question becomes what has influenced the younger generation in the first place, to make them like this commercial. The anti-male rhetoric today is all-encompassing, and is not limited to this commerical.

Yes, a part of women's worth to men is their looks, and so are men's worth to women. Also, if a woman finds herself to not be seen as anything other than a sex object to her man, she should realize that she has chosen the wrong man. What is the point of this statement?

Being a housewife in the oldendays was a luxury afforded only to the families in which the man earned enough for the woman to stay home. What's your point? Again, this is a left/right-wing subject, since right-wing women tend to want to stay at home and raise a family, or work part-time.

My point was not to say that only men have problems, so I want to stress that women also have their own problems, but men have to be respected, too, even if they don't act the same way as women.



Sure - there are many factors that play into an eventual societal collapse.

If you're asking what has made the younger generation of males be more aware of how their conduct impacts others, well, that's just progress. It's what happens with each passing generation. You can't be openly sexist or a macho bully these days without some Woke Warrior making an advert specifically to emasculate you, l know, it sucks.

Your second paragraph is all over the shop, there is a difference between women being routinely presented as sex objects in advertising and a couple finding each other sexually attractive. False equivalence.

I'm not sure what your point is about left wing / right wing positioning is either, you're also wrong about the history of the nuclear family and of women within the labour market. My point was advertising often showed women either as sex objects, for eg when selling shit like beer to men, or as housewives, when selling cleaning products for women. Not sure how you've misunderstood this.

Ultimately if you think the world is going to hell because of the contents of a shaving product advert you're over thinking it. Nobody is saying maleness is bad, men can still be boorish, leering, obnoxious, bellicose fucking idiots if they want, it's just these days women don't have to pretend to laugh at their jokes.

 

[settheory]

No, but men are labeled as "Toxicly manly" for pointing out the hypocrisy when it comes to male/female relations. My remark about being "toxicly manly" wasn't about joining the army - but, rather, that there's no reason for a man to join any army, since we aren't treated as human beings in today's society, so we have no reason to give our lives to our respective countries.

Some examples of being "toxicly manly" are exemplified in Gillette's commercial from a couple of years ago. The "toxic masculinity" concept has seeped into our culture, so it's not always apparent. Here is the Gillette commercial:



With this example, I want to highlight two situations in Gillette's commercial - namely, that it's not accepted to say "Boys will be boys" and to have rough play, or to approach women. Don't you think that it's offensive for men to see such commercials, and don't you think that this kind of commercial breeds resentment among men towards society at large?

What usually labelled as toxic masculinity are things like the idea that men should fit into some strict traditional ideal of masculinity, that women should comply with that, and that men who don't fit that ideal shoul be treated as inferior. Very often it either borders abuse or is actual abuse. Often even, it includes child abuse. For example, some boys are abused because their parents feel like they will become too "gay" or "girly" and think abuse (what some don't think would be abuse) will "help". Things like that.
Edit: a few media might misrepresent actually innocent things as "toxic masculinity". But what i previously said still stands true. Concerns about "toxic masculinity" are mostly valid, and are about serious issues.

 

[Chinaski]

If l agree that men are persecuted victims and that nobody in this world suffers more than a young man who finds getting laid difficult will you stop?

 

[Julgran]

If l agree that men are persecuted victims and that nobody in this world suffers more than a young man who finds getting laid difficult will you stop?

You are not obligated to agree with anything, and reducing what I have written to just "getting laid" - as you put it - is disingenuous. I'm sure that you have better things to do if you are unable to partake in the discussion with intellectual honesty.

 

[Pluto]

 

[Chinaski]

What does it mean that "it shouldn't be tolerated"? Are you calling for censorship, or just verbal takedowns? Nah, I didn't read the whole thread, I just decided to push my own agenda, which is however related. If the thread is about people complaining about incels then incel takes should be considered.

Let's put aside the vitriolic triggering I caused, which isn't interesting in the slightest. I would like to know what do you make of males killing themselves more than double the rate than females do, or being overwhelmingly the majority among the homeless population.

It's a laughable strawman fallacy that I intended with my post for female posters to "defer" to male posters. You make up some hyperbolic shit to make your opponents look bad, don't you? I merely wanted to give context on why incels exist and are likely to get worse. Male suffering is indeed not being acknowledged, which your derision ironically proves.

Yeah, l mean it shouldn't be tolerated. This standard conflation with "muh censorship, muh strawman, muh free speech" is a false one. Your right to free speech is unimpeded, but if (for example) you were to crack a racist joke in a public place you should expect pushback on it and be unsurprised if people told you to get the fuck out. If folk are so desperate to spew misogyny there are websites not far from this one which will make them feel very much welcome.

 

[Grey-zoner]

What does it mean that "it shouldn't be tolerated"? Are you calling for censorship, or just verbal takedowns? Nah, I didn't read the whole thread, I just decided to push my own agenda, which is however related. If the thread is about people complaining about incels then incel takes should be considered.

Incel stuff is pretty much wholly censored on most of the internet, but this forum was created by incels. As much as mainstream society, and in particular the left, despises them, they're not disappearing--if anything, the absolute refusal to openly engage means as a movement they'll probably continue to grow (not that I expect them to ever become fully normalized). Incels believe they have a truth which the "normies" are incapable of perceiving, and that kind of conviction doesn't die easily, especially if everything in their lives appears to confirm it (low social status male, chronically depressed, etc...)--the condemnation acts as further confirmation.
More broadly speaking however, if users want a more mainstream set of voices, this may not be the best part of the internet to be in. No one is going to be able to "clean up" SS exactly to their liking (with the exception perhaps of banning explicit Neo Nazis and gore posting).

 

[Chinaski]

Incel stuff is pretty much wholly censored on most of the internet, but this forum was created by incels. As much as mainstream society, and in particular the left, despises them, they're not disappearing--if anything, the absolute refusal to openly engage means as a movement they'll probably continue to grow (not that I expect them to ever become fully normalized). Incels believe they have a truth which the "normies" are incapable of perceiving, and that kind of conviction doesn't die easily, especially if everything in their lives appears to confirm it (low status social male, depressed, etc...)--the condemnation acts as further confirmation.
More broadly speaking however, if users want a more mainstream set of voices, this may not be the best part of the internet to be in.

The conflation between men posting about loneliness and isolation, and men posting knowingly misogynistic shit is continuing apace, l see .

Firstly, not sure what "the left" has specifically got to do with it. I get that a portion of those who subscribe to the more extreme incel rhetoric also have an enthusiasm for alt-right gibberish but you don't have to be politically left to find misogyny offensive.

This forum was created by incels, you're correct. However this is not an incel site. Nowhere in the history of the internet has a user of a forum been compelled to subscribe to the views of its creator, however they did also create a separate incel site exclusively for incel content, so fair play to them for catering for everyone.

There is no refusal to engage. Look around any objectionably sexist thread on here and you'll see meaningful attempts made to meet halfway which are responded to with identikit rote-learned victimhood rhetoric. Fwiw there are one or two self-described incels who I've engaged with on here in a meaningful way, who don't do explicit misogyny, with good faith disagreement on this. The issue isn't male loneliness in itself, it's the misogynistic language it's often expressed in. I don't know how often this needs repeating.

The final flourish about "mainstream set of voices" is offensive. This is the ridiculous "the snowflakes are offended" patter of ageing, quasi-edgy stand-up comics that bears no relevance to this website. Suicide is a taboo subject, that in itself renders this forum non-mainstream, but that does not mean boorish and obnoxious misogynistic language should be given added tolerance by extension.

(EDIT) you've added a final sentence there about "cleaning up" SS, this is objectively wrong, outwardly offensive content of any kind will be and should be challenged on here as a matter of course, be they scammers, creeps, manipulative weirdos with numerous alts, fetishists with a suicide kink, all of it. This includes sexist content.

 

[waitingforrest]

I agree. While I too believe in free speech and discussions, there is a difference between expressing your experiences and generalizing a group of people.

I personally dislike it when people say so and so group of people are all like this. That doesn't mean I find myself not doing it too sometimes. I just think sometimes people can take their opinions a bit too far and turn them into absolute facts.

Whatever anyone believes or experiences, we all should still remember why all of us are on this site in the first place. Most of us already experience rejection irl, I hope that we all can still remember the human behind the screen. This is also a note to myself as well, I don't want to perpetuate the things I dislike.

 

[Chinaski]

As an addendum to my above post I will add that an incel suggesting on a suicide forum that this is "not the best part of the internet to be in" if people don't like misogynistic bullshit, when they have incels.is literally *right there* for that very purpose, is a perfect example of the excessive tolerance for it here imo.

 

[Grey-zoner]

As an addendum to my above post I will add that an incel suggesting on a suicide forum that this is "not the best part of the internet to be in" if people don't like misogynistic bullshit, when they have incels.is literally *right there* for that very purpose, is a perfect example of the excessive tolerance for it here imo.

I am neither involuntary nor celibate, to add "for the record" in response to the ad hominem remark, but if I was then the comments made would imply a need to clean up such members. It's up to other members to decide what constitutes good-faith or reasonable discourse.
If you feel the need to challenge the misogynistic bullshit, then do it--there seems to be some enjoyment there. But if we're implying a blanket ban of incel rhetoric or quasi rhetoric, then that's not a direction I think the forum should be going in.
But I could be wrong. This is one area where polls might help.

 

[Chinaski]

I am neither involuntary nor celibate, to add "for the record" in response to the ad hominem remark, but if I was then the comments made would imply a need to clean up such members. It's up to other members to decide what constitutes good-faith or reasonable discourse.
If you feel the need to challenge the misogynistic bullshit, then do it--there seems to be some enjoyment there. But if we're implying a blanket ban of incel rhetoric or quasi rhetoric, then that's not a direction I think the forum should be going in.
But I could be wrong. This is one area where polls might help.

Nobody has discussed banning anything, if you read earlier posts in this thread you'll see it's been discussed and I've made my views on banning and censorship clear l think - my view is that casually misogynistic content should be given the same degree of tolerance as racism, homophobia, transphobia etc would be on here. The reality is it is not, in fact it's given something of a pass. The notion that people who object to misogyny, rather than the people who exhibit it, are the ones who should look elsewhere for suicide discussion as you suggest is viewing it entirely through the wrong prism.

It's weird how those who defend some of the "edgier" language do so under the blanket of making a last stand in defence of a free speech threatened by folk attempting to impose an authoritarian censorship regime - the reality is nobody is doing this, it's pretty basic to expect people to perhaps not discuss women in objectifying terms, to not couch their feelings of loneliness and isolation in terms which express condemnation and anger with women for their cruelty in deciding not to sleep with them, to perhaps not publicly exchange tips on procuring sex workers in such a tawdry way. It's basic stuff here.

Fwiw l don't enjoy the challenging interacting in incel threads, if you again read the earlier posts you'll see how I've described the experience in full, it's a repetitive and arid endurance test which follows an identical pattern each time. The thing is l don't enjoy seeing misogynistic shite either, and that's what's being discussed in this thread.

EDIT: apologies for assuming inceldom on your part btw, l should not have leapt to that conclusion.

 

[Feeding Pigeons]

A couple of things. First off its incorrect to always associate being an incel with being a misogynist. Of course there is overlap, doesn't make it any less wrong. Theres blame to be shared because people started flinging the term incel around as an insult. People who take the bait and start flaming back are going to give others an ugly look.

However, and I'm not saying anyone here is doing it, you can't just point and start screaming "misogyny!" whenever a woman gets called out on her bullshit. Whether anyone likes it or not men and women are in the same boat, as a species we live or die as one. Everyone has to be held to a decent standard and thats the problem with using victimhood as a shield, it becomes a race to the bottom of who can get away with the most nonsense.

Inceldom always existed, misogyny always existed. idk why all of a sudden it became a warground. I don't see them as excuses to not be ladies n gentlemen.

 

[Chinaski]

A couple of things. First off its incorrect to always associate being an incel with being a misogynist. Of course there is overlap, doesn't make it any less wrong. Theres blame to be shared because people started flinging the term incel around as an insult. People who take the bait and start flaming back are going to give others an ugly look.

However, and I'm not saying anyone here is doing it, you can't just point and start screaming "misogyny!" whenever a woman gets called out on her bullshit. Whether anyone likes it or not men and women are in the same boat, as a species we live or die as one. Everyone has to be held to a decent standard and thats the problem with using victimhood as a shield, it becomes a race to the bottom of who can get away with the most nonsense.

Inceldom always existed, misogyny always existed. idk why all of a sudden it became a warground. I don't see them as excuses to not be ladies n gentlemen.

Tbf the distinction between male loneliness etc and overt misogyny on here has been made in this thread . If men want to discuss their feelings of loneliness, isolation, feeling lesser due to their appearance, how their life has been detrimentally impacted through all these things and more besides, literally nobody would have an issue. The issue is the very real misogyny which is expressed within much of the incel output, and this is not about straight-forwardly calling women out on bullshit (which is fair enough imo) as much as it is about discussing women in derogatory terms as if *they weren't in the room*.

Misogyny has always existed, so has ableism, but if someone were to rock up here and spew ableist bullshit they'd be promptly put straight and rightly so, because to passively encourage it is to alienate the many sick and disabled people who use this site. The misogyny should be treated similarly imo.

 

[Feeding Pigeons]

Tbf the distinction between male loneliness etc and overt misogyny on here has been made in this thread . If men want to discuss their feelings of loneliness, isolation, feeling lesser due to their appearance, how their life has been detrimentally impacted through all these things and more besides, literally nobody would have an issue. The issue is the very real misogyny which is expressed within much of the incel output, and this is not about straight-forwardly calling women out on bullshit (which is fair enough imo) as much as it is about discussing women in derogatory terms as if *they weren't in the room*.

Misogyny has always existed, so has ableism, but if someone were to rock up here and spew ableist bullshit they'd be promptly put straight and rightly so, because to passively encourage it is to alienate the many sick and disabled people who use this site. The misogyny should be treated similarly imo.

Its true, the distinction has been made, I just wanted to say how I felt about it, and I agree with you, this forum would absolutely shut down ableism being spewed.

The mods must be on their toes or I'm just blind as fuck or haven't stumbled upon the posts because from the way I've heard you and a couple of other people speak, theres some vile shit being posted on this forum, but I almost never catch sight of it.

 

[Chinaski]

Its true, the distinction has been made, I just wanted to say how I felt about it, and I agree with you, this forum would absolutely shut down ableism being spewed.

The mods must be on their toes or I'm just blind as fuck or haven't stumbled upon the posts because from the way I've heard you and a couple of other people speak, theres some vile shit being posted on this forum, but I almost never catch sight of it.

Tbh I'm reluctant to paste individual examples because it would be unfair to cite one user when it's so regular, this could well incite beef (and you know how much l hate that!!!!) and also it depends on where your original lines are drawn, which may be different to mine. If you search "slam piece" you'll find one thread which is just one sound example of how such language is casually used.

 

[Sanva]

one of the reasons I want to ctb is because of men treating me like a sex object my whole life so while I appreciate that we're sympathizing with everyone's problems, it really sucks that sexist remarks are just tolerated. Unless you want to make this forum male only, by allowing those posts you're ignoring half of the population. if someone wants to complain about how they think women treat them unfairly let them but derogatory language should not be allowed against any group of people.

Maybe we could have an incel tag for those posts so that I can at least avoid them?

 

[noname223]

This debate seems pretty heated. I could well imagine I am not going to be very popular with my opinion but it is better to stay principled. At the same time I don't want to fuel this debate with some provocative statements. I have not read all of the posts before. I am not fully sure how to approach this topic. I have looked up the definition of incels on wikipedia. It is not very positive. Quite the contrary. But I think many incels dislike how they are defined by such websites. I am not sure how much misogynie in this forum really is. I often stay out of relationship threads because they make me quite depressed. But if women say they feel treated unfairly or even discriminated I would really try to listen to them.

In my opinion it is not easy to be a woman in our society. But also men don't have it easy. One argument which I associate with incels is the following. If it is not true feel free to correct me. Women are kind of priviledged because they can more easily have sex/intimate relationships. But tbh this is not really accurate in my opinion. At least not for all women. I have met women who were very overweighed (due to medication) and could not find a partner. I know some women who were raped or sexually abused. They have tried to trust another man but could not do it. These women often cannot enjoy sexuality anymore and due to that fact stay single for the rest of their lives. I have met 2-4 women who fit to this description.
I think as a woman the likelihood is higher to get raped. On the hand it is probably true that the average woman has better chances to have a fulfilled sexuality. This does not mean men don't get raped. I think in prisons this might be a big problem.

What I also don't get. This might be a stereotype. Correct me if I am wrong. But do incels believe men should have the right of having sex with women? In my country prostitution is not illegal. So isn't this already fulfilled?

My point of view is. Violence against men, women or non-binary is never acceptable. Men and women and (non-binary) should be treated equally. There are disadvantages either if you are man or woman (non-binary). I am in favor of all oppressed people. No matter their gender, skin color or religion. Maybe it is not good to see this through the lense of these categories. On the other hand some oppressed group have systematical disadvantages which can be better analyzed when we use this categories. So I am against violence (except for example in self-defense or to fight against a dictatorship) and insulting should be not okay. We should respect each other. In this forum there are many vulnerable people. We should stay together and not divide us.

 

[Julgran]

This debate seems pretty heated. I could well imagine I am not going to be very popular with my opinion but it is better to stay principled. At the same time I don't want to fuel this debate with some provocative statements. I have not read all of the posts before. I am not fully sure how to approach this topic. I have looked up the definition of incels on wikipedia. It is not very positive. Quite the contrary. But I think many incels dislike how they are defined by such websites. I am not sure how much misogynie in this forum really is. I often stay out of relationship threads because they make me quite depressed. But if women say they feel treated unfairly or even discriminated I would really try to listen to them.

In my opinion it is not easy to be a woman in our society. But also men don't have it easy. One argument which I associate with incels is the following. If it is not true feel free to correct me. Women are kind of priviledged because they can more easily have sex/intimate relationships. But tbh this is not really accurate in my opinion. At least not for all women. I have met women who were very overweighed (due to medication) and could not find a partner. I know some women who were raped or sexually abused. They have tried to trust another man but could not do it. These women often cannot enjoy sexuality anymore and due to that fact stay single for the rest of their lives. I have met 2-4 women who fit to this description.
I think as a woman the likelihood is higher to get raped. On the hand it is probably true that the average woman has better chances to have a fulfilled sexuality. This does not mean men don't get raped. I think in prisons this might be a big problem.

What I also don't get. This might be a stereotype. Correct me if I am wrong. But do incels believe men should have the right of having sex with women? In my country prostitution is not illegal. So isn't this already fulfilled?

My point of view is. Violence against men, women or non-binary is never acceptable. Men and women and (non-binary) should be treated equally. There are disadvantages either if you are man or woman (non-binary). I am in favor of all oppressed people. No matter their gender, skin color or religion. Maybe it is not good to see this through the lense of these categories. On the other hand some oppressed group have systematical disadvantages which can be better analyzed when we use this categories. So I am against violence (except for example in self-defense or to fight against a dictatorship) and insulting should be not okay. We should respect each other. In this forum there are many vulnerable people. We should stay together and not divide us.

This is the the most neutral post in this thread. Thank you!

To answer your question about incels, not all incels look for sex or prostitutes, because it's true love that they strive for. This is impossible to achieve if one hates women.

As for myself, I just find myself wondering why the adults of my childhood didn't raise me to become the man that I would need to be today, in order to attract women - so I have no grapes against women. I'm just disappointed at the adults of my own childhood.

 

[Chinaski]

This is the the most neutral post in this thread. Thank you!

To answer your question about incels, not all incels look for sex or prostitutes, because it's true love that they strive for. This is impossible to achieve if one hates women.

As for myself, I just find myself wondering why the adults of my childhood didn't raise me to become the man that I would need to be today, in order to attract women - so I have no grapes against women. I'm just disappointed at the adults of my own childhood.

The thread didn't require "neutrality" which only serves to give a tacit pass to the language being discussed here - also the thread is not about whether incels are just misunderstood, lovely guys really, the odd mass shooter gives them a bad name, let's all try and understand, etc etc - it was about how some posts on this forum contain objectively offensive content which is given a free pass each time.

 

[Julgran]

The thread didn't require "neutrality" which only serves to give a tacit pass to the language being discussed here - also the thread is not about whether incels are just misunderstood, lovely guys really, the odd mass shooter gives them a bad name, let's all try and understand, etc etc - it was about how some posts on this forum contain objectively offensive content which is given a free pass each time.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, but just going by the words you are writing, I agree - for once...

 

[Chinaski]

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, but just going by the words you are writing, I agree - for once...

The point I'm making is that whenever someone observes the undue tolerance of misogynistic output on here this ends up swamped with a steady slew of incels offering justification for their posifion, whining about free speech, complaining about being silenced or censored, positioning themselves as persecuted for their maleness, throwing out the most bizarre examples of shaving product adverts and murder stats to establish how women have the upper hand and how women should sympathise with the fragility of male ego, and detracting from the original point which is a basic observation that this place would be more welcoming to women if the objectively misogynistic language was given the elbow.

 

[Julgran]

The point I'm making is that whenever someone observes the undue tolerance of misogynistic output on here this ends up swamped with a steady slew of incels offering justification for their posifion, whining about free speech, complaining about being silenced or censored, positioning themselves as persecuted for their maleness, throwing out the most bizarre examples of shaving product adverts and murder stats to establish how women have the upper hand and how women should sympathise with the fragility of male ego, and detracting from the original point which is a basic observation that this place would be more welcoming to women if the objectively misogynistic language was given the elbow.

Most of the male-centric points that you are pointing out here are usually highlighted by mens' right advocates, rather than incels. Do you recognize that men's feelings can be discussed in the same room as women's problems can be recognized.. - or do you think that only one gender can have the whole space for itself?

I don't think that we can validate any one's gender by excluding the other.

 

[Chinaski]

Most of the male-centric points that you are pointing out here are usually highlighted by mens' right advocates, rather than incels. Do you recognize that men's feelings can be discussed in the same room as women's problems can be recognized.. - or do you think that only one gender can have the whole space for itself?

I don't think that we can validate any one's gender by excluding the other.

Throughout this fucking thread people have just deliberately avoided the single fundamental point of it.

POST: "there's a lot of misogynistic language being tolerated on here can it stop"

THE REPLIES:

* do u not think men r valid
* have u seen the murder stats tho
* what about this advert for razors
* are you banning men
* this is censorship
* more men ctb according to this pie chart so misogyny should be therefore tolerated
* why don't u try 2 understand the misogynist rather than lecture them, this is exactly what l mean by Cancel Culture!!!!
* this is left wing politics
* the issue of misogyny needs to be viewed sensibly and through a prism of neutrality and nuance, btw yes I am an incel
* misogyny where? I haven't seen any misogyny, maybe you should provide evidence so l can personally discount it as misogynistic according to my own chauvinism

I mean ffs, this thread in itself is just fucking embarrassing, to repeat for the umpteenth time, nobody is suggesting suicidal men should be booted, just that misogynistic language should not be tolerated, there's a distinction which you are deliberately misunderstanding.